LACO Pilot Baumuster B Special Edition (Forum Project Wach) - Discussion

[hotnerd]

Hello,

Mike and I met with Mr. Pfeiffer last weekend and Laco is willing to produce a limited edition Type "B" flieger watch for us:

+ sand blasted 42mm stainless steel case, height 13mm
+ engraved "limited edition" back
+ standard hw movement with center second (not hacking !)
+ Hand wound ETA 2801 or another movement TBD
+ free-of-inscription-no-date-dial, type: Baumuster B
+ similar to Laco's current model Ref. 861465 but without date or logo
+ an onion crown similar to Ref. 861465
+ a domed sapphire crystal
+ Laco LE limited to 50 (based on demand fewer watches are possible)
+ Price for LE estimated between 500-600 Euros

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-1/1131934/FL_861465_FLB_400.jpg
(pic from Laco website)

Please provide your feedback and also indicate if you are interested. If you are shy to post but interested in the watch, please email me bhanu@cox.net. I will contact Mr. Pfeiffer with an estimated headcount and any suggestions we agree upon.

I am very excited to be part of the Type "B" Laco Flieger LE :-!

Cheers,
Bhanu
<For the latest status of the Laco project, please refer to the "Laco project overview" thread>

[stuffler,mike]

ETA 2801 could look like this

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/watchuseek/Stowa/StowaFliegerback.jpg

[Crusader]

Thanks for the update, Bhanu ... but sorry: noc hack, no interest.

I'll stick with the Stowa FO LE then. :-)

[hwilsdorf]

Can they do it for around Euro 380-450? Given the Euro's strength, 500-600 is almost US$960 at the upper end plus shipping charges.

I would be interested if the price is a little lower given there are still compromises with this hommage.

[stuffler,mike]

Can they do it for around Euro 380-450? Given the Euro's strength, 500-600 is almost US$960 at the upper end plus shipping charges.

I would be interested if the price is a little lower given there are still compromises with this hommage.


The simple answer is: NO.

Given that they will get ETA 2801 movements to mount them into a 42mm case they will need a spacer which probably has to be done by hand in very little numbers (we are talking about 25-50 watches, right ?!).
Look at the regular prices, a limited run can´t be cheaper. The Laco Flieger with ETA 2824-2 is from 490 to 579 Euro. The Flieger Unitas is 690 Euro.

The Aristo Flieger with ETA 2801 is 495 Euro in a 44mm case. Customizing that watch would also be some +.

We have to get familiar with 500 to 600 for a customized Laco.

[Janne]

Good work, Hotnerd! Count me in!

[Janne]

I forgot: The suggested specks sound fine. Only one thing I am not sure about: I checked out Laco's site. The onion shaped crown they use today is of a totally wrong shape. Maybe they could change that? If they can't, I will accept it, (but prefer a more authentic crown).

[fachiro1]

count me in!!.........

can they do a solid case back?

[Janne]

I would think they can. The Laco Pilot 42 mm Quarts I believe has a solid back. I hope the watch comes with 2 backs, solid and display. I am happy to pay the extra cost.

[fachiro1]

solid case back
hacking handwind



!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Crusader]

solid case back
hacking handwind



!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I believe plans are for the non-hacking version of the 2801, though.

No hack, no go. :-(

[Erik_H]

I am interested, please count me in.

Erik_H

[g-banger]

i would be interested but not sure about the type b dial.. prefer the dial like the stowa FO

cheers

[Erik_H]

i would be interested but not sure about the type b dial.. prefer the dial like the stowa FO

cheers

Baumuster B is a must for me on this watch.

Erik_H

[Crusader]

i would be interested but not sure about the type b dial.. prefer the dial like the stowa FO

cheers

I think there is a good number of Baumuster A dials about, notably the Stowa (available without logo in the base version, e.g.).

IIRC the whole idea of a Laco LE came into existence because there are no sterile Baumuster B homages.

[wisbang]

I'm interested in getting in on this, but I would also prefer a solid caseback and a hacking handwind.

[reinman60]

Sounds great except for the non hacking movement. Would be a problem for me.

[Janne]

I do not understand the hacking / non hacking movement talk. Does it really matter that much for you guys? The Original B-uhr had/has a non hacking movement! For me, replicating the outside design is much more important! Like the shape of the crown...You know, if we cannot agree on a design in sufficient numbers, Laco will probably not be interested (to make 15-20 watches)!

[wisbang]

I was just stating what my preference would be, but I'd be interested in the watch even if it had a non-hacking movement. Definitely not a show stopper for me...

[TIMEangel]

Dear Bhanu

Atho I preferred someother manual wind movement instead of ETA 2801. Reason is I have the Fortis Flieger Cockpit LE of 950 pcs.

Please count me in for this LACO.

Regards
TA

[hotnerd]

The response has been very positive including the emails I have received. So far 20 of us have shown interest in the Laco LE.

One clarification, it will be a solid caseback with LE engraving

I will go back to Mr. Pfeiffer with the following suggestions and provide you with his response:

- Clear choices and availability for the movement
- onion crown
- Estimated time

Cheers,
Bhanu

[BKM]

I like it - everything about it - the specs, the design, the movement, and the price. My compliments and please count me as a comer. What is the time frame? Bryan

[wisbang]

I will go back to Mr. Pfeiffer with the following suggestions and provide you with his response

Thanks, looking forward to hearing the response.

[thodgins]

The original movents found in the B-Uhr did have a stop/hack seconds. It was part of the requirements from the German Luftwaffe.

Here is link to a list of features from the B-Uhr.
http://www.qahill.com/tz/b-uhr/b-uhr.html

[Crusader]

I do not understand the hacking / non hacking movement talk. Does it really matter that much for you guys? The Original B-uhr had/has a non hacking movement!

The original B-Uhr had a hacking mpvement. Being a navigation watch, exact time measurement was of the utmost importance, hence a hacking feature was required by the RLM in its spec. The pocket-watch movements used were specifically modified to provide the hacking mechanism. It's part of the very essence of this watch.

Therefore, for me: no hack, no go.

Edit: sorry Todd, saw your reply too late. The forum glitches due to the hacker attack are still wreaking havoc for me ...

[stuffler,mike]

i would be interested but not sure about the type b dial.. prefer the dial like the stowa FO

cheers

Baumuster A ist historical correct for a Stowa Flieger, Baumuster B is historically correct for a Laco. For me there's no doubt at all that a Laco custom made Flieger has to have toe Baumuster B dial.

[stuffler,mike]

Dear Bhanu

Atho I preferred someother manual wind movement instead of ETA 2801. Reason is I have the Fortis Flieger Cockpit LE of 950 pcs.

Please count me in for this LACO.

Regards
TA

Name a manual wind movement with center second which does not need any price increasing modification (like the Unitas 6497, 6498, Peseux 7001 would) and will fit into the price limit.

[Janne]

The original movents found in the B-Uhr did have a stop/hack seconds. Sorry all :oops:! I had to check on my own Laco 55mm. It sure has a hacking movement! I stupidly forgot, a sure sign of getting old!o|

[Mescalito]

great! i've already send you an email - so please count me in!
the only thing i would like to add are blue hands!!!

thanks,
florian

[bydandie]

great! i've already send you an email - so please count me in!
the only thing i would like to add are blue hands!!!

thanks,
florian

Same here

[Plissken]

With a hacking movement then yes!

[reinman60]

Choice of movement seems to still be an open question. I'm definitely in, but only if the movement hacks.

[hotnerd]

I received communication back from Laco this morning:

As I told you, it's not easy to find a manual winding movement with centre second.
But we figgured out the possibility to modify the ETA 2824 automatic into a manual
winding movement. What do you think about that?

Case 42mm with non-reflecting sapphire crystal is possible

Solid case back with engravement (your design) is possible

Screwed onion crown is possible

B-dial without date and logo is possible

All we need is a payment in advance (250-300 Euros) to start this project.
We need to buy parts for the movement modification and
for new dials.

I have sent an email back to Mr. Pfeiffer requesting direct ordering process, timeline for shipping as well as a mock up picture(s).

What do you think?

Cheers,
Bhanu

[Crusader]

Stripping the 2824 is an excellent idea ... it hacks, and it is basically a 2801 with an autowinder added (the 2892 is an integrated construction, by contrast, hence it is flatter).

I may be interested after all. :-)

[Erik_H]

I am definitely in. A modified movement makes it even more a custom job. Solid case back would be my choice.

Erik_H

[Janne]

Super, Bhanu! Even better than before!

[TIMEangel]

Dear Bhanu

I am in. Thanks

[Mercutio]

This may be a stupid question, bu twhy not go for a hacking-modified 2801 directly?

These exist, AFAIK.

Or is there really no difference between them and the modified 2824 suggested? I would be afraid a non-auto 2824 would just look castrated, somehow ;-)

Just curiosity, I am most probably not buying.

And, were there talks to Laco about the quality of lume they will use? Again, sheer curiosity...

[Janne]

It looks like the hands Laco uses are a very accurate copy compared to the Original ones. The hands/lume will I think be the same as they use now. To change the lume (I do not know how good it is) would make the project more difficult, and more $$$$.

[Crusader]

This may be a stupid question, bu twhy not go for a hacking-modified 2801 directly?

These exist, AFAIK.

I think they are in very short supply, as are many other mechanical movements.

[thodgins]

A modified 2824 sounds like a cool idea. I look forward to seeing how this project unfolds.

[wisbang]

Sounds terrific. I think a 42mm makes sense. 44mm would be even better, IMHO, but I think that would have less appeal to many. I'm glad I put my name on the list for this watch, sounds great!

[Mescalito]

and what about the blue hands? please don't forget them ;-)

and maybe LACO could tell us the expected overall cost...

the rest sounds great, so i'm still in (if the price doesn't explode).

[Hary]

I am in :-!

[Paulo]

Count me in, preferably with a solid caseback and acrylic crystal, but I can live with other solutions. :-!
What I'd really like is that all markers are lumed, as the original B-Uhr dials.

[abraxas]

.
As it is going to be a hand wound ... I suggest a non-screwing crown.

john

[reinman60]

Modified 2824 sounds like a good solution. Readily available, and it hacks.
I'm in. |>

[hotnerd]

Mr. Pfeiffer replied regarding ordering the watch:

We think the best way would be if you can send us a list
of the members to reserve the numbers. For sending the
watches we will need:
- The complete address + telefon number.
- We will also need the e-mail address for sending the proforma
invoice. This proforma invoice will show the number of the watch,
the complete address of the member and our bank account.
- We will confirm every money transfer and watch number by mail.
- We will also accept 250 Euros payment in advance
- We will expect the rest directly before shipping the watches.
- We will not charge any shipping costs.
- The delivery will be 4-8 weeks after we received the deposit.

If you send us the design for the back of the watch, we can
of course provide you with a mock up picture in best quality.

Together we will create a beautiful watch...
with friendly regards
Peter Pfeiffer

So, please email me (bhanu@cox.net) your contact information (address, phone, and email) and your desired edition number. I will confirm in the order I receive email if the edition is taken. You may want to provide and alternative number.

I will gather the information and pass it along to Laco and they will send us an invoice in the email.

What are you thoughts for caseback engraving? Any picture of the original caseback?

Cheers,
Bhanu

[Janne]

Hi Bhanu! I will check my B-uhr when I go home in a couple hours. Case back engraving- maybe Laco B-uhr WUS LE re created for ....name.... number x/y , date/2008 ?
And PLEASE no acrylic cristal, scratches to easily! We have to follow the current technology a little bit...... Laco uses AR coated sapphire. That is fine with me.
Possibility for the owners name engraved at the back? OK with extra cost

[hotnerd]

Janne,
It will be sapphire crystal definately.
I can find out about additional engraved name but for now let's try to agree upon the standard engraving in the solid case back :-!

Cheers,
Bhanu

[Janne]

Sorry I am late with the info! Had a wine and cheese presentation with some bank people! OK! Now, the only engraving/stamping on the caseback of the Original is "H16013". That is all. It is in the middle of the caseback. The lettering looks like it is done one letter/nummer each time, slightly uneven in pressure and position on the caseback. To much drink for a decent photo, to be honest I am useless on photo, sorry.

[fachiro1]

;-):-!these are going to be awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:-d:-s

[fachiro1]

just want to add, and Ithink it is important, but

we might want to specify the Laco old-style strap instead of that horrendous one with the perforations. And I must note, that the regular size old style strap is a problem for those with larger hands or people with wrists larger than 7-7.5 inches. I've had both the regularand the large size and becuase of the closed mature of the strap, the larger size is easier to get on and off.

[Mescalito]

- We will also accept 250 Euros payment in advance
- We will expect the rest directly before shipping the watches.


everything sounds great, but i think it's necessary to know how much the rest will be before making the decision...

[Erik_H]

I am not so fortunate to have an original Laco B-Uhr, but 'Militäruhren' by Konrad Knirim (page 349) confirms what Janne already stated. H and serial number in the middle of the caseback. The inner caseback has the usual table of information. Janne, how abour some pics now?

Erik_H

[stuffler,mike]

This may be a stupid question, bu twhy not go for a hacking-modified 2801 directly?

These exist, AFAIK.

Sure they exist. You only need to know a source being able and willing to suply. Existence isn´t the problem, availability/supply in a satisfactory time frame - that´s the problem in particular if you want to order in small quantities.

[Nalu]

Now, the only engraving/stamping on the caseback of the Original is "H16013". That is all. It is in the middle of the caseback. The lettering looks like it is done one letter/nummer each time, slightly uneven in pressure and position on the caseback.

I believe the lettering on the back of the Laco B-uhr is the SN. Mine is imprinted with "H4xxx". Similarly, my Lange has "2xxxxx" printed in the center of the back, which is also the SN printed on the inside back and the movement.

[Erik_H]

While Janne and Nalu search for their cameras to take pictures of their original Laco B-Uhr, we should start the decision making for what markings to put on the outer caseback. Similar discussion has already been carried out in the Stowa Flieger Original threads. I believe most people interested in the Laco have already read those discussions, if not please have a look at the Stowa forum. It may help to answer some questions, and to make our decision here more streamlined ;-)

Erik_H

[stuffler,mike]

First of all I´d suggest to do the engravings in German, just because Lacher & Co. is a german watchmaker and the B-watches have been engraved in german too.

On the edge:
Sonderanfertigung (= special edition) - Handaufzug (= manual wind) - Saphirglas (= sapphire crystal)- Edelstahl (=stainless steel) - Wasserdicht 50M (=waterresistant 50m) - Made in Germany

Center:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/watchuseek/Stowa/Laco.gif
Beobachtungsuhr
Fl 23883
No. 01/50

[Janne]

I am not so fortunate to have an original Laco B-Uhr, but 'Militäruhren' by Konrad Knirim (page 349) confirms what Janne already stated. H and serial number in the middle of the caseback. The inner caseback has the usual table of information. Janne, how abour some pics now?

Erik_H Will do, but have to do it when I come home, in about 10 hrs. And sorry for the lousy pics beforehand, I am not as pro as most of you guys are!

[Janne]

Mike, that looks fabulous! Just one thing. After the FL marking, is there a good world in German that indicates it is a "re-creation" or what ever you would call it? A decade ago, Aston Martin recreated a new run of a racing/street model (DB4GT or similar) and called it Sanction 2, if my memory serves me right. (Due to this weeks alcoholintake, it is a wee bit fuzzy)

[Erik_H]

Janne, in my opinion this project watch is not going to be confused with the original B-Uhr, especially due to size (55 mm diameter vs. 42 mm). Re-creation is not a descriptive term of the watch we want to create, it is a homage. The Aston Martin DB4GT Sanction II cars were custom made to original specification using original or new fabricated parts according to the spec of the true car. 100% replica.

I like Mike's suggestion a lot, and I think all engravings should be in German as we are making a homage of a historical German watch.

Your opinions please!

Erik_H

[Frode]

I'm still on the sideline on this one.
2 questions about lume:
A: How will it look, pattern wise?
B: How is it quality wise to for example a Stowa Airman, which is VERY good?

:thanks

[stuffler,mike]

I'm still on the sideline on this one.
2 questions about lume:
A: How will it look, pattern wise?
B: How is it quality wise to for example a Stowa Airman, which is VERY good?

:thanks

If it will be Superluminova C 3 there shouldn´t be a problem.

[Frode]

Thanks Mike!
How does it look in the dark? I remember from way back some Laco lume shots, that if I remember correctly, might shove me over to the "wrong" (according to my wife, if she knew about this), side of the fence...

[hotnerd]

Mike,

I really like the engraving suggestion. If most of us are in agreement I can request Laco to create a mock up of the watch with the engraving and post it here next week?

Also, the following Editions are reserved so far (I am still going thru emails): 1,2,3,4,5,8,10,14,17,18

Cheers,
Bhanu

[Crusader]

I like Mike's engraving suggestion, too.

Alternatively, the outside caseback could be done similar to the inside of the caseback of the Stowa, with the characteristic box-pattern:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/Lobebaer/Stowa%20FO%20LE/FOLEcasebacks.jpg

BTW, as this is a serious project, I am going to stick the thread.

[stuffler,mike]

I like Mike's engraving suggestion, too.

Alternatively, the outside caseback could be done similar to the inside of the caseback of the Stowa, with the characteristic box-pattern:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/Lobebaer/Stowa%20FO%20LE/FOLEcasebacks.jpg

BTW, as this is a serious project, I am going to stick the thread.

Well, a similar case back engraving as to be found inside of the Stowa case back would be

a) very close to the original B-Uhr of WW II
b) or could be considered to be just a copy of the Stowa engraving (which wouldn´t be wrong at all with regard to WWII-B-watches)

But Stowa was first -that´s why I tried to go for quite another case engraving but with the typical Laco lettering in the center.

[Janne]

Ok Eric, here are some (lousy) pics. Edited by Jan: Failed "Pics" removed. New attempt lower down in new post

[Janne]

The inside of the caseback has very similar inscription as the new Stowa. Please note "onion" crown on stem. Would be nice if Laco could make something similar....
Eric, you are 110% right about the Aston. So you are a car nut too?
BTW, I saw that Mike had the words "Sonderaufertigung", which I missed.
I think the inscriptions Mike suggests are superb. Maybe the "Made in Germany" can also be written in German? Plainly just "Deutschland" ? Just not sure which edge you mean, Mike! Similar to the new SuperRolex-on a inner bezel?? (Just joking!)
I am happy this project is progressing so nicely! I have to go to another funktion now. The third in three days. I am turning into an alcoholic. Good night all!

[Paulo]

The B-Uhr style engraving as been used by other watch brands that make B-Uhr hommages. Here's an Azimuth:

http://www.azimuthwatch.com/azimuthadmin/photo/product/36_2b.jpg

Some other aspects need to be cleared too: lume "print" (all minute markers? all numbers?), non-screw crown? blued hands? strap?

This project feels great :-)

[Janne]

I prefer an exact copy of the dial. And the strap. Screw down or not- use the same as Laco now uses? I am fine with both. Saves $$ to use Laco " standard" stuff.

[Paulo]

Screw down or not- use the same as Laco now uses? I am fine with both. Saves $$ to use Laco " standard" stuff.

I'd agree with you if the movement was automatic. With a hand-wind movement I feel that the screw-down crown can become a source of troubles. :think:

[Crusader]

I'd agree with you if the movement was automatic. With a hand-wind movement I feel that the screw-down crown can become a source of troubles. :think:

Good point, Paulo :-!

[JohnF]

Hi -

I've sent you an email, count me in as well...

JohnF

[stuffler,mike]

BTW, I saw that Mike had the words "Sonderaufertigung", which I missed.
I think the inscriptions Mike suggests are superb. Maybe the "Made in Germany" can also be written in German? Plainly just "Deutschland" ?

Well, "Made in Germany" has been a well known term since decades (going back to the British Merchandise Marks Act 1887) nobody would write "Hergestellt in Deutschland" because "Made in Germany" has become the one and only "trademark".

Alternative suggestion in place of "Made in Germany": "Lacher & Co. Pforzheim" which will then be "doubled" by/with the Laco mark.

[Frode]

Whooops! Fell of the fence!

And on the "wrong" side....dang! :-d

I'm in too! b-)

[Janne]

WHO STOLE MY PICS? HELP!
Janne

[Crusader]

WHO STOLE MY PICS? HELP!
Janne

Not sure I understand ... please specify (feel free to e-mail me).

[Janne]

:oops: I have just realised ( see Martins replypost to me) that my post can be severely misunderstood, due to my short, badly composed sentence!
Just so everybody knows: I referred to the computer gremlins when I wrote "stolen my pictures". The pistures I posted are not visible on my computer anymore. Just a white square with a red X small symbol in the upper left corner. So please do not even think that I am referring to anything else! I apologise if anybody took offence! Greetings to all! Jan Pultr PS :thanks

[Janne]

I have a query: Would there be an interest to have the opportunity to also order an extra, "see thru" caseback with the engraving? I realise it is not authentic and will increase the cost. Laco already make both casebacks for the 42mm watches.

[Erik_H]

I have a query: Would there be an interest to have the opportunity to also order an extra, "see thru" caseback with the engraving? I realise it is not authentic and will increase the cost. Laco already make both casebacks for the 42mm watches.

This would probably be possible at extra cost, but I would not be going for such an option as the movement in question will not be decorated in any way. I love my Stowa MO with display back, but would not like to display a plain movement unless it is a very rare one. Anyway, for me this flieger only will feel right with a solid caseback.

Erik_H

[Janne]

I guess I could always order one from Laco myself. No problem!
Important question, Eric: Please read my recent posts. I have a problem, do not know if it is my computer. Are the pics of my B-uhr visible for you? I posted them 17 hours ago. Thanks!

[Erik_H]

Janne, the pictures you posted are not visible for me as well. Please try again and place the pictures at Photobucket or similar service provider.

Erik_H

[Janne]

Many thanks! The computer idiot (me) will try....

[fachiro1]

On all the laco pilots I have owned, including my55mm replika, they hands are not blued but rather black. i have never seen a laco buhr with blued hands and i have owned 4 of the 42mms

[Janne]

The hands ARE blued! I am lucky to own an original Laco B-uhr from WW2. Just check the hour hand. I hope this attempt to post pics are successfull!
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk70/jpultr/B-uhr2.jpg
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk70/jpultr/B-uhr5-1.jpg
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk70/jpultr/B-uhr4.jpg
Eric, here are the pics that were stolen by the HP Gremlin!

[fachiro1]

i'm talking about their modern watches...as far as I know, none of the 42mm or the new 55mm come with blued hands, so they would probably have to do this as a special run. either way, black or blue would be fine with me.

[garaventa]

Hello,

I just found this interesting dialog and would like to ask, if it would be possible to jump on that project, also I am late.

Best regards

[Janne]

My apologies, Fachiro! Yes, Laco's hands are black. A pity, it seems that some of the other makes use blued hands. If Laco cannot supply blued, I am happy with black!
(But would prefer blued....)

[Janne]

Hello,

I just found this interesting dialog and would like to ask, if it would be possible to jump on that project, also I am late.

Best regards The more the merrier! More of us will make it better for Laco and maybe keep the cost down for us! Nice watches you have there!

[garaventa]

nice to hear that!

I am quite well equipt with two LACO´s 55mm diameter with A and B dial.

But for daily use, a smaller LACO pilot watch would fit perfect for me. So let´s push the project.


Best regards


garaventa

[Paulo]

That was the reason of my question. I can live with black but would definitely prefer blued hands.

[Frode]

That was the reason of my question. I can live with black but would definitely prefer blued hands.

I agree. I'd be willing to pay more if blued hands were an option.

[reinman60]

Black hands certainly not a deal breaker for me but blued hands definitely a big + :-!

[Crusader]

Hello,

I just found this interesting dialog and would like to ask, if it would be possible to jump on that project, also I am late.

Best regards

http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=143028 ;-)

[Crusader]

Black hands certainly not a deal breaker for me but blued hands definitely a big + :-!

Same here, and no interest in a viewback. :-)

[Paulo]

Same here, and no interest in a viewback. :-)

Me too, strong preference of a solid caseback.

[reinman60]

Solid case back-- more authentic for a B-Uhr.

[hwilsdorf]

Now that the vintage experts have given their invaluable inputs, its becoming more and more desirable! Thanks guys!

Hope im not too late, im in! Sent you an email Bhanu!

[stuffler,mike]

Welcome to the crowd !

[Paulo]

Besides, Laco did non-screw down crowns before for that case size. ;-)

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/6505/lacoql8.jpg

[Mescalito]

That was the reason of my question. I can live with black but would definitely prefer blued hands.

same with me - please try to get blue hands!!!

[abraxas]

I have, for the past hour or so, been browsing and checking out the different "retro" B-style watches. What I find strange is, that no manufacturer I can find has made a scaled down accurate copy/replica of a B-uhr. It is always something that is not right. ......

http://www.orolus.com/images/fortis/595-10-11L.jpg

In terms of looks, the closest to the '40s case design and which is also acceptable to the modern eye, is the Fortis Flieger Cockpit.

http://www.iga-shop.com/fortis/595.10.41NTM04.2.jpg

Here's the profile of the same case in another model.

... and here's another.
http://www.phfactor.net/pics/watches/Fortis/Library%20-%206477.jpg (http://www.phfactor.net/pics/watches/Fortis/Library%20-%206477.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/abraxas/No2/lang1.jpg
This is a profile of a '40s Lange. Original pic ...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/abraxas/No2/lnge2.jpg
... photoshopped for light.

From a conversation here: Laco watches?
http://www.tz-uk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32061 (http://www.tz-uk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32061)

john

[Janne]

http://www.orolus.com/images/fortis/595-10-11L.jpg

In terms of looks, the closest to the '40s case design and which is also acceptable to the modern eye, is the Fortis Flieger Cockpit.
This (http://This) is a profile of a '40s Lange.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/abraxas/No2/lnge2.jpg
... photoshopped for light.


john Yes, the Fortis may be closest to the Lange B-uhr profile, but it is different to the Laco, specially the lugs! Check out the pictures I posted , or the ones Snapit posted! I do not think it is realistic to ask Laco to make a 100% exact, scaled down copy. It would be very expensive. I guess it would need new programming for the CNC equipment. I am happy with a proper "onion" shaped crown. That will make a very large difference visually. I cut down your post drastically, sorry if it looks strange now! I did it purely to save space on this post! Gretings! PS. You should check out the "Update" it is more up-to-date!

[JohnF]

Hi -

Absolutely agree here: the displayback is just silly, given the fact that there really isn't anything especially pretty to look at. If anything, a modded 2824-2 will be even plainer, given that the rotor will be taken off...

JohnF

[stuffler,mike]

Hi -

Absolutely agree here: the displayback is just silly, given the fact that there really isn't anything especially pretty to look at. If anything, a modded 2824-2 will be even plainer, given that the rotor will be taken off...

JohnF

Right, a solid case back is the way to go........

[hotnerd]

I have received few emails regarding blue hands and if payment via paypal is possible.

I have received a reply from Laco and payment via Paypal is possible.

As for blue hands, here is the reply:

we don't have blue hands in stock. Of course we can order blue hands,
but blued by colour (lack) not blued steel. We will need at least two
month delivery time for the hands. If you like blue hands, we have to
order now. If there are additional costs, it will not be more than 10 Euros
per watch...
If you like to have blue steel hands, we need at least 6 month delivery time.
These hands are very expensive (about 30 Euros per watch).

Steel blue hands will add to the cost of the watch as well as delivery time.
So, either we stay will black hands or go with option 1 of colored blue hands which is 2 months delivery and 10 Euros additional.

I will go with the majority and respond back to Laco tomorrow.

And there will be second update on the watch later today with a mock up picture :-!

Cheers,
Bhanu

[Crusader]

Personally, I think that I am happy with either standard black hands, or the blued steel hands (not painted), but not the blue-painted hand option.

But I'll go with the majority on this.

[Paulo]

I'm with Martin, blue-painted hands isn't a option. :rodekaart

I would glady wait for the blued hands and pay the extra, but if the general opinion goes for black hands I can live with that. b-)

[TIMEangel]

I can live with black hands, but will go with majority.

[hwilsdorf]

I agree with either black hands or wait for the blued steel hands. But NOT blue painted hands.

Good to hear they accept paypal.

With the screw down crown vs non screw down, will there be an issue with water resistance long term without the screw down? What are your experience/preference guys?

Great job Bhanu!

[Paulo]

I've had a few 100m WR Seiko with no screw down crown and I've allways given them full use: bath, swimming, etc. without an issue. WR isn't given by the screw down crown, it just helps preventing that the vedant system is tight and also inadvert pulling out of the crown. :-)

[Erik_H]

I am OK with black hands. Blued steel would be even better, but no thanks to the painted blue option.

Erik_H

[Hary]

I am OK with black hands. Blued steel would be even better, but no thanks to the painted blue option.

Erik_H

Ditto

[Janne]

Black hands - OK with me!

[BRUCE]

Please add me to your list. Registration e-Mail sent. Just got here, and very excited with this thoughtful project. Nice work, can't wait.

[Crusader]

Please add me to your list. Registration e-Mail sent. Just got here, and very excited with this thoughtful project. Nice work, can't wait.

Welcome to the forum, Bruce! :-)

[fachiro1]

Laco already has the 42mm case, which is the one in the picture in the first post of this thread.

Forget the blue painted hands, the black Laco hands are great.

Since just about every other buhr homage or replika has a non-screw down crown, I don't think we should concern ourselves too much about water resistance. It's not a dive watch and if you want to shower, then take it off.

The screwdown crown on the 42mm laco's I have owned are a hassle and unnessary. Yes, it's good to have extra WR, but on a hand wind, the extra possible wear and tear is not worth the risk. I can understand the autos having it, as you dont wind the watch very often as long as you wear it, but on our forum edition, forgoe the SDC.

[Crusader]

Since just about every other buhr homage or replika has a non-screw down crown, I don't think we should concern ourselves too much about water resistance. It's not a dive watch and if you want to shower, then take it off.

The screwdown crown on the 42mm laco's I have owned are a hassle and unnessary. Yes, it's good to have extra WR, but on a hand wind, the extra possible wear and tear is not worth the risk. I can understand the autos having it, as you dont wind the watch very often as long as you wear it, but on our forum edition, forgoe the SDC.

Well said and to the point. :-!

[reinman60]

Definitely not blue painted hands. Black would be O.K. but real blued steel hands would be ideal. I don't think an extra 30 Euro for this option, which would add an important element of historical authenticity to the watch, is too bad at all. As for the 6 month lead time, I can understand people not wanting to wait that long, but I think it'll be worth it in the end.

I'll go with whatever the majority wants. :-)

[Frode]

Definitely not blue painted hands. Black would be O.K. but real blued steel hands would be ideal. I don't think an extra 30 Euro for this option, which would add an important element of historical authenticity to the watch, is too bad at all. As for the 6 month lead time, I can understand people not wanting to wait that long, but I think it'll be worth it in the end.

I'll go with whatever the majority wants. :-)

My thoughts exactly. Prefer blued hands and willing to wait. But I too go with the majority.

I also support the "no" to screw-down crown. I gave a nephew of mine a Vostok Komandirskie with screw-down crown and manual movement. Winding was a hassle..... <|

[Paulo]

Ditto on both accounts! :-!

[BKM]

Please, if you will, no screw-down crown - not on a manual wind. I don't mind the black hands and I prefer not to wait 6 months for the blue steel hands (Like others, I do not want painted blue hands). But, off course, I will go with the majority - it just seems like a long time to wait for blue steel hands and the dollar is not getting any stronger: that wait may cost more than 30 euros for those of us under the hardship of a currency exchange. So, I opt for economic consideration over my aesthetic preference (Question: Can this item be addressed as an individual preference by Laco?).
That being said, I am really excited about this project. Bryan

[Janne]

All you non-members that read this thread about this project I have one thing to say: Become members and order this one-in-a-lifetime opportunity to get a really nice and exclusive timepiece! :-!
And hurry upp! Time is running out! Only a couple weeks left!

[Mescalito]

same with me! :-)

[hotnerd]

Allright, I have the first mock up pictures from Laco :-!

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-1/1131934/Flieger_2824_WatchUseek.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-1/1131934/Back_WatchUseek.jpg

Cheers,
Bhanu

[Crusader]

Very much as I thought it would be ... just a few quick comments:

- I like the text of the caseback engravings and the Laco-logo. Perhaps it would be a good idea to have the three lines undernaeth the logo "Beobachtungsuhr / FL 23883 / Nr. 1/50" not in italics ("kursiv" in German), but in straight letters. In the laser-etching process, italics are much more difficult to produce cleanly than standard letters, and the edges of the letters may be jagged.

- Also, if the entire text is in German, the "No." (English) must be replaced by "Nr." (German)

- Is the crown what you all wanted?

[Erik_H]

The mock up pictures are promising as expected. It would be nice to have an onion crown shaped more like the original, but this may be a problem? I feel I am OK with this as well, but no harm to check?

Erik_H

[Frode]

Very happy! :-!

Would prefer a different crown, though. Either onion or "Archimede style".

[Mescalito]

looks great - i'm really looking forward to this watch! and the crown would be ok for me... (although an archimede-style crown or an crown like the new steinhart 43,5mm pilots watch would be ok as well)

[Paulo]

Great remarks Martin, I subscribe all of them. :-!

About the crown I'll post again a picture of a Laco 42mm special series with a much better crown than the mock-up IMHO.

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/6505/lacoql8.jpg

[Crusader]

Soory, Paulo ... the picture does not show. :-(

[hwilsdorf]

Very much as I thought it would be ... just a few quick comments:

- I like the text of the caseback engravings and the Laco-logo. Perhaps it would be a good idea to have the three lines undernaeth the logo "Beobachtungsuhr / FL 23883 / Nr. 1/50" not in italics ("kursiv" in German), but in straight letters. In the laser-etching process, italics are much more difficult to produce cleanly than standard letters, and the edges of the letters may be jagged.

- Also, if the entire text is in German, the "No." (English) must be replaced by "Nr." (German)

- Is the crown what you all wanted?


I agree with Martin 100% with the engraving. The "Nr." too!

It's almost perfect but I hope we can change the crown to the one pictured by Paulo. Would the diamond crown used by Archimede be authentic on a type-B dial? I understood the diamond crown was used on the type-A dials? Correct me if im wrong...

[Paulo]

Thanks Martin, found another pic (sorry, at work most photo service providers are blocked, so I can't figure out if the pic was correctly posted).

It's quite similar to the Laco original I think.

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/433/lacoobservermp6.gif

[Janne]

The face need two adjustments to look like the original!
No1: The leg af the arrow should touch the inner ring/circle
2: On the inner ring/circle, there are luminous DOTS on the mark 1, 2, 3 etc, including 12.
I know I sound anal, but why not try to get the dial 100%?
I agree with you re the crown. As I said all the time, the current Laco design is wrong.
Re dial on original, check out my pics on Page 1. The dial has never been "restored", is Original!
And I agree about the engraving.

[Janne]

http://s277.photobucket.com/albums/kk70/jpultr/th_B-uhr2.jpg You see what I mean with the "dots" and the leg of the arrow?
The dot on 12 is the same as the other, reflecion on the crystal makes it look bigger. Photo taker is no good! (me).
And you can see a true onion.....

[hwilsdorf]

Great points Janne! I believe if we get the onion crown and the dial as true to the original, we've got a winner for everyone!

Can Laco make us a yellowish/orangey (patina'ed) luminova or is tritium possible?

[stuffler,mike]

Great points Janne! I believe if we get the onion crown and the dial as true to the original, we've got a winner for everyone!

Can Laco make us a yellowish/orangey (patina'ed) luminova or is tritium possible?

No Tritium please, regarding Luminova: No probem at all for extra money - we are talking about (just) 30 dials.

[Hary]

I like the suggestions to have the crown as posted by Paulo. Agree with Mike, no tritium. Somehow I find the font at the back engraving is not 'bold' enough. Maybe as suggestion, the font size should be made bigger and written in capital letters (similar to Archimede). Otherwise it looks a bit 'soft' and empty. Just my 0.02

[stuffler,mike]

- I like the text of the caseback engravings and the Laco-logo. Perhaps it would be a good idea to have the three lines undernaeth the logo "Beobachtungsuhr / FL 23883 / Nr. 1/50" not in italics ("kursiv" in German), but in straight letters.

Yep, you´re right.

Also, if the entire text is in German, the "No." (English) must be replaced by "Nr." (German)

Makes sense, absolutely :-d Nr. is way to go.

Re: Crown

I´d like to have an "Archimede-crown" ;-)

[reinman60]

I agree-- block printing rather rather than italics, Nr. instead of No., dial as close to the original as possible, super luminova, all numbers lumed. As to the crown, the one pictured in the mock up isn't really a true onion crown.. I think a real onion crown would lend more authenticity to the watch, and would look cooler, too.

Just wondering if any decision has been reached regarding the hands? I reiterate my preference for real heat blued steel hands. |>

[Paulo]

May I suggest polls for those issues, like the hands, that aren't still clear, accepting only votes from forumners adherent to the project?
These polls would close when the reservation period ends.

Here's the issues I see:

Crown: like in mock-up, Laco non-screw like I posted, onion crown (maybe at cost and wait)
Hands: Laco standard black, Blued (6 month wait, 30 € surplus), painted blue.
Dial and lume: not sure if present Laco is like original


A question that crossed my mind: is the cristal going to have AR inside?

[Crusader]

On the inner ring/circle, there are luminous DOTS on the mark 1, 2, 3 etc, including 12.

Not all B-Uhren are alike, Jan. Variants of Baumuster B exist both with, and without the lumed dots on the inner circle. I have seen Lacos without the dots, so I don't think that the omission of the dots on a Laco replica would necessarily be considered a shortcoming.

[Crusader]

Re: Crown

I´d like to have an "Archimede-crown" ;-)

The telltale diamond-shaped Archimede crown is patterned after a crown only used by IWC and only on a part of their production run of 1,000 Baumuster A watches. It wouldn't fit the Laco at all. Onion crown, on a stem, or directly to the case is the way to go with a Laco replica.

[reinman60]

I think a poll on these features would be a good idea if there is a way of limiting it to those who are actually ordering the watch. I don't know if this is practical or not.

About an AR coating... I would vote for AR coating on the inside only. I think that coatings on the outside are too vulnerable to smudging and scratching, and that an inside coating alone provides adequate anti reflective properties. Just my humble opinion.

[hotnerd]

I should have mentioned in my previous post when I updated with mock up picture that Laco stated they are still working on the crown. That picture was with the old screw down crown. Sorry, it was late at night ;-)

So here is the feedback to Laco:

- Onion crown similar to the original 55mm watch
- Dial marking similar to the original 55mm watch
- Change the text on caseback to regular text with Nr. (Laco logo will remain the same)
- hands will remain black due to project delay and cost

I think it will be very easy to accomplish the text. Laco will also find us an acceptable onion crown. Ofcourse, it will not be exactly same as the original. I am not sure about the dial markings for which Laco will have to print dials but let's await an reply back to see :-!

I will keep you posted tomorrow and hopefully we will get second draft of the mock up picture by end of this week.

Cheers,
Bhanu

[thodgins]

Personally I would like to see the crown used on the Replika Original which is more like the one used on the original.

Here is a good pic of the crown used on the Original Laco B-Uhr

http://www.chrono24.com/images/uhren/images_33/s9/1344933gross.jpg

http://www.chrono24.com/images/uhren/images_71/s9/1352971b.jpg

A pic of the Replika Original from the Laco website

http://www.lacher-shop.de/e_shop/images/FL_861367_KREIS_400.jpg

Overall this is looking like a great project. I wish I could jump in and order one, but the Stowa FO was my big purchase for the year. Are all the watches already spoken for?

Also here is a pic of the Wempe B-Uhr that was released a few years ago. A nice lume shot posted by Pjbocean on EOT.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b112/pjbocean/111_1125.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b112/pjbocean/111_1126.jpg

[fachiro1]

The crown on the mock up is basically the same used on the auto version. The other crown Laco offers is a small, generic one that is too small in my opinion.

The Auto crown is kind of a "half" version of their vintage crown.

The Laco vintage, along with the Stowa, has an onion shaped crwon that does not sit fluch with the case when pressed in. Rather, it sits on a stem a few milimeters from the case.

They have this crown and stem combo on the 55mm replika version, and though Ithink it would be cool to have a mini version of teh same vintage design, I don't think they are going to fabricate a brand new stem/crown for our forum watch.

The diamond crown design was not used onthe vintage watches so I wouldnt want that crown on our watch.

[BKM]

I agree-- block printing rather rather than italics, Nr. instead of No., dial as close to the original as possible, super luminova, all numbers lumed. As to the crown, the one pictured in the mock up isn't really a true onion crown.. I think a real onion crown would lend more authenticity to the watch, and would look cooler, too.

Just wondering if any decision has been reached regarding the hands? I reiterate my preference for real heat blued steel hands. |>

I agree - with one exception. I, myself, do not wish for a 6 mt. wait and the additional mark-up for blue steel hands. What is the majority view? I do not mind the standard black hands. Bryan

[Paulo]

Better than a poll it's a clear specification! ;-)

Still, if possible, cristal AR coating inside would be great. :-)

[garaventa]

Here are some pictures of my LACO REPLICA.

LACO produced only 75 pieces and they were sold during two weeks in year 2000.

http://i16.tinypic.com/5yans6r.jpg
http://i13.tinypic.com/4pvy5a0.jpg
http://i16.tinypic.com/67zei6f.jpg

http://i11.tinypic.com/4uenibd.jpg
http://i17.tinypic.com/5xscv34.jpg
http://i19.tinypic.com/6ez6sgp.jpg
http://i11.tinypic.com/4zjn7us.jpg
http://i15.tinypic.com/66j45zb.jpg
http://i18.tinypic.com/67rn506.jpg

http://i30.tinypic.com/11ueqyp.jpg
http://i30.tinypic.com/124x7rq.jpg




And now some pictures of my LACO Replica made in 2006.

It is the version with ETA Valgrandes automatic movement.

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/2452/laco11sk6.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/9135/laco10vm1.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/5964/laco9ir8.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/8584/laco8pd3.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/2715/laco7qu8.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4471/laco5xp1.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/7825/laco4gf4.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/7929/lacoreplica006tk7.jpg
some whist shots:
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/2387/lacoreplica011xo9.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/2305/lacoreplica008de7.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/5159/laco3hr3.jpg





garaventa

[thodgins]

I like the crown on both and I like the Durowe movement that they used. Where did they find those movements to make 75 pieces? Also, what did they do to the case to give it that grey color? Thanks for sharing the pics.

[Janne]

Not all B-Uhren are alike, Jan. Variants of Baumuster B exist both with, and without the lumed dots on the inner circle. I have seen Lacos without the dots, so I don't think that the omission of the dots on a Laco replica would necessarily be considered a shortcoming. AHA! I did not know that! Thanks for the info, Crusader! I guess it will be easier for Laco, they can use their "standard" screen when they print the dial.:-!
So, I am very happy with the dial.

[Paulo]

But the dots look very cool IMO. b-)

[reinman60]

I would like to see the crown used on the Replika Original which is more like the one used on the original.That crown looks great :-!

Also, the dots look cool, and would be a great addition to the project if that is feasible.

[Crusader]

But the dots look very cool IMO. b-)

b-) Indeed they do ... if there were original Lacos with the dots on the inner circle (which I don't know at the moment - I only have non-dotted Lacos in my picture files ;-)) I would like to see the dots on our dial as well, if it is at all feasible (in terms of a new dial template).

[Janne]

Thodgins! I just wanted to tell you that it is not to late jump in and order one! You should not have any problems getting rid of the Stowa FO, and get this "Meisterstuck" instead! What we are creating here is not only a watch, but a piece of Horological History! |>

[Janne]

Nice Laco! With dots and all :-p ! I like dots.........:-( Even the Wempe has dots............:-(:-(:-(

[hotnerd]

I hope we are setting the expectations right for this project.....
Lately there are a lot of posts of the 55mm original or replika Laco that costs in thousands of Euros :-p

However, we are requesting a 42mm Type "B" dial watch by Laco with some similarities to the original watch. It will not be an exact miniature replika but an excellent Type "B" Laco :-!

Laco is more than willing to modify the watch and with some small modifications of crown, engraving, and possibly dial we will still be within our price range and timeframe for delivery.

Hopefully, next update from Laco will be tomorrow.......

Cheers,
Bhanu

[Crusader]

Overall this is looking like a great project. I wish I could jump in and order one, but the Stowa FO was my big purchase for the year. Are all the watches already spoken for?

Subscription is open until 9 May ... I know how you feel. The Stowa FO LE is my big watch of the year (actually last years, but my wife will not accept the argument - it was delivered this year, so it wa sthis year's big watch ... :roll:) but I signed up for the Laco anyway.

For one thing, it is a budget watch, it's a special edition for Pil-Mil by one of the OEMs, it's going to be agreat watch to wear to complement the Stowa FO LE.

After all, Laco and Stowa are the only OEMs to make affordabel replicas of their B-Uhren! ;-)

[Paulo]

In a way the FO is a dressy-style homage and this one is going in the direction of a tool-style homage. As you pointed out they are indeed complementary.

[hwilsdorf]

Here are some pictures of my LACO REPLICA.

LACO produced only 75 pieces and they were sold during two weeks in year 2000.

http://i16.tinypic.com/5yans6r.jpg
http://i13.tinypic.com/4pvy5a0.jpg
http://i16.tinypic.com/67zei6f.jpg

http://i11.tinypic.com/4uenibd.jpg
http://i17.tinypic.com/5xscv34.jpg
http://i19.tinypic.com/6ez6sgp.jpg
http://i11.tinypic.com/4zjn7us.jpg
http://i15.tinypic.com/66j45zb.jpg
http://i18.tinypic.com/67rn506.jpg

http://i30.tinypic.com/11ueqyp.jpg
http://i30.tinypic.com/124x7rq.jpg




And now some pictures of my LACO Replica made in 2006.

It is the version with ETA Valgrandes automatic movement.

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/2452/laco11sk6.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/9135/laco10vm1.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/5964/laco9ir8.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/8584/laco8pd3.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/2715/laco7qu8.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4471/laco5xp1.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/7825/laco4gf4.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/7929/lacoreplica006tk7.jpg
some whist shots:
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/2387/lacoreplica011xo9.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/2305/lacoreplica008de7.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/5159/laco3hr3.jpg





garaventa


Stunning! Probably after the succesful delivery of our Type B's, we can then request Laco for the Type A's next! :) :) Cheers!

[thodgins]

Do we know the final cost yet? That might help determine my decision. Even a rough estimate would help.

I don't want to get rid of the Stowa FO because, like many, have waited for so long and in many ways felt part of the process. Jörg definitely listened to our ideas while maintaining his vision.

[thodgins]

I like this crown much better. I think it is close to the original and the crown found on the Replika Original.

[thodgins]

What is the overall price range?? I think I missed that one. What price are we trying to stay under?? Also has Laco indicated the time frame for putting this watch out?

I know that when Jörg was doing the Stowa FO, many wanted it to be just like the original, but that just isn't possible. I did like using the original as a point of reference especially when it came to the engraving on the balance cock which Jörg gladly did for us. Hopefully the expectations are not set so high that the watch becomes a let down because one little detail doesn't look like the real deal. I am sure that was the worry with the Stowa FO. Personally I don't think that will happen since so many are able to give their opinions and able to feel part of the process.

[JohnF]

Hi -

Please, no stem, flush. I'd hate a stem! But onion crown would be historically more appropriate...

JohnF

[thodgins]

I'll think about it tonight and give Bhanu my answer tomorrow. Looks like there are still some numbers open.

I really do want the Stowa FO so I am not going to give put that one:-d

[thodgins]

I would love the Wempe. It has a really sweet movement like the Stowa FO except it is gold plated and has an extra plate over the central seconds mod.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b112/pjbocean/111_1121.jpg

[thodgins]

I am with Paulo and the rest. Blue painted hands just wouldn't do it for me. If I were to jump aboard I would also be willing to wait for blued hands since they can be found on the original, but would be okay with the black hands since they are in stock and wouldn't hold up the project.

[Janne]

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk70/jpultr/Flieger_2824_WatchUseek-1.jpg
With "dots" and an "onion" (sort of) it might look like this! :-p

[BKM]

I hope we are setting the expectations right for this project.....
Lately there are a lot of posts of the 55mm original or replika Laco that costs in thousands of Euros :-p

However, we are requesting a 42mm Type "B" dial watch by Laco with some similarities to the original watch. It will not be an exact miniature replika but an excellent Type "B" Laco :-!

Laco is more than willing to modify the watch and with some small modifications of crown, engraving, and possibly dial we will still be within our price range and timeframe for delivery.

Hopefully, next update from Laco will be tomorrow.......

Cheers,
Bhanu

I like the direction you take and I support your concern. By the way, I appreciate the work and time that you give for this project. Bryan

[Paulo]

With minute marks, minute numbers and hour dots lumed that would be perfect IMO. :-p :-p :-p

[hwilsdorf]

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk70/jpultr/Flieger_2824_WatchUseek-1.jpg
With "dots" and an "onion" (sort of) it might look like this! :-p

Great looking dial Janne but the crown looks like a candy wrapper crown. :) :) Onion or inverted diamond would be cool with me! But I have preference over the onion crown as from the pictures posted it looks more appropriate for the Type B dial.

[hwilsdorf]

Do we know the final cost yet? That might help determine my decision. Even a rough estimate would help.

I don't want to get rid of the Stowa FO because, like many, have waited for so long and in many ways felt part of the process. Jörg definitely listened to our ideas while maintaining his vision.
todd, there is no final cost yet but indicated price is between Euro 500-600. Still much lower than other LE's.

[pepellf]

Hi,

If it is not too late, I am in.

mail sent.

regards

[Crusader]

If it is not too late, I am in.

Welcome to the forum!

No, it's not too late ... deadline is 9 May (see separate thread in this subforum). :-)

[Gordon]

The laco project is looking really excellent guys :-!
Well done to all involved, a great effort and forum spirit.

I have to admit i'm sitting on the bench about joining in as i'm awaiting 2 other watches, so i wont know how my watch fund will be looking till next week. So i guess i'll have to leave it to karma to decide if there's any places left :roll:

Anyway, just incase anyone hasn't handled the laco old style airman strap before here's a little info that you might find helpful. An earlier post mentioned the strap would be a little tight for people with larger hands, this is true. I have a 7" wrist and the strap on my Series 0 42mm auto fits fine. But it is a tight squeeze getting if over my actual hand. The widest point measured around my left hand (see 1st pic) is 26cm so anyone with a bigger hand will defintely have a problem getting the standard size strap past their hand. My right hand is 26.5cm and it's a really tight squeeze, i can just get the strap past my hand with a lot of effort and strain on the spring bars.

Hope this helps.

[pipers]

Anyway, just incase anyone hasn't handled the laco old style airman strap before here's a little info that you might find helpful. An earlier post mentioned the strap would be a little tight for people with larger hands, this is true. I have a 7" wrist and the strap on my Series 0 42mm auto fits fine. But it is a tight squeeze getting if over my actual hand. The widest point measured around my left hand (see 1st pic) is 26cm so anyone with a bigger hand will defintely have a problem getting the standard size strap past their hand. My right hand is 26.5cm and it's a really tight squeeze, i can just get the strap past my hand with a lot of effort and strain on the spring bars.

Hope this helps.

Hello everyone! I've been following this thread closely and looks like its going really well. Still deciding though whether i should pre-order or not. I agree about the strap issue. My wrist is around 6.5" but i my hand is big for my wrist. It is really a tight squeeze getting the watch over my hand. If Laco could add 5mm-10mm to the long side of the strap that would be ideal without making it tool long.

[Mescalito]

Hello everyone! I've been following this thread closely and looks like its going really well. Still deciding though whether i should pre-order or not. I agree about the strap issue. My wrist is around 6.5" but i my hand is big for my wrist. It is really a tight squeeze getting the watch over my hand. If Laco could add 5mm-10mm to the long side of the strap that would be ideal without making it tool long.


as i have small wrists and i don't like straps which ware too lnog, please don't make the strap longer than the actual one...

[stuffler,mike]

Hello everyone! I've been following this thread closely and looks like its going really well. Still deciding though whether i should pre-order or not. I agree about the strap issue. My wrist is around 6.5" but i my hand is big for my wrist. It is really a tight squeeze getting the watch over my hand. If Laco could add 5mm-10mm to the long side of the strap that would be ideal without making it tool long.

No problem imho if you´d find a strap maker who is going to produce a 5mm to 10mm longer strap which means ordering a customized (non serial) strap.

What´s my message ?

Ordering a customized strap for - let´s say 30 to 40 watches - will automatically increase the priceand prolong the wait. If a strap would be too short or too long I´d have a look for another strap on the www. Just my 2 centavos.

[stuffler,mike]

.....2: On the inner ring/circle, there are luminous DOTS on the mark 1, 2, 3 etc, including 12.
I know I sound anal, but why not try to get the dial 100%?


First part of your question. Obviously not all B-watches of Baumuster B type had had those dots. Here´s a Laco not having those dots:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/watchuseek/B-Uhren/76_26058_2.jpg
On the other hand, Stowa and Wempe had had those dots:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/watchuseek/B-Uhren/StowaBaumusterB.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/watchuseek/B-Uhren/76_26017_1.jpg

Maybe the dots have been a question of the batch delivered to the RLM (just a guess). The watches shown on qahill.com don´t have the dots either (Laco, Lange & Söhne). Interesting enough.

I think a customized dial with dots will cost some additional money seen the very small limitation. I can live without though..............

[hotnerd]

I have an update from Laco with 2nd draft of mock up pictures :-)

- Laco is still searching for the right onion crown, so please wait patiently for 3rd draft to reflect the new crown
- Dial with lume dots on the hour circle is included and is not a problem
- Caseback engraving is redone per your suggestions

I am highly impressed by such a quick turnaround by Laco and excellent communications on this project :-!

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-1/1131934/Flieger_2824_WatchUseek_02.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-1/1131934/Back_WatchUseek_03.jpg

Cheers,
Bhanu

[Paulo]

Yes, looks perfect.! :-p :-p :-p

I'm so anxious to see the crown. o|

This project is running great, :thanks guys! :-!

[reinman60]

Looking great. :-!

With the onion crown, it'll be just about perfect!!!

[thodgins]

I am impressed too. Things are moving along with this watch and is looking great.

[thodgins]

I do have a question about the lume. Are they able to do the lume like on this Wempe?
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b112/pjbocean/111_1125.jpg
Pic posted by Pbjocean on EOT.

I like that all the numbers, minute markers and the triangle have the lume. What is the lume like on their current dial?

One thing I noticed about the Wempe and some of the original Laco B-Uhr's being pictured is that the minute hand seems to have a nice harmony with the hour hand due to the fact that minute hand is fatter at the tip. I looked up on Qahill and found that the Laco he has pictured has the long thing minute hand. So I guess both are correct. I would love to see the fatter minute hand, but it wouldn't stop me from jumping on this project. I am still deciding.

[Paulo]

Yeap, a lume mock-up would help. :-)

(just kidding, a description is more than enough)

[BRUCE]

Bhanu, I am also impressed. Both with the watch, and your selfless contribution to the entire effort. I just wanted to say thanks.

I know little of this watch type; all of my watches have crown guards (wouln't want that crown to fall off now would we?) But I am happy that, as I understand it you are working with Laco to get a crown that looks more like the historically correct ones. Love the addition of the dots on the hour ring, and would like, if possible, real C3 Super-Luminova (just my .02 on that).

So when does mine get here?

[DeDe]

Hi friends,

I am also interested in this project. I read the whole thread an I am not sure if I understand everything because my english is not the best. Did we discussed an outer circle around the minutes? I think the original watch have a outer white circle and the mock not? Can someone explain it?
Thanks and regards,

Dede

[Crusader]

Excellent news, Bhanu, and kudos to Laco for having such a quick turn-around time. I think the caseback engravings are much better this way. :-!

Excellent that the lumed dots onthe inner circle won't be a problem, too. I would like to bring up the length of the arrow at 12; on my pictures, it almost touches the inner hour circle; it is separated by about one circle's width of black dial. The Wempe comes very close in this respect. One would not want the arrow to be mistaken for a broadarrow, would one ... ? ;-)

I, too, think that a lume pattern shot would help. I have seen varaitions re the luming of the minute numerals. Wonder what Laco says is authentic.

Re the minute hand: apparently there are lots of Lacos about with the Baumuster A minute hand (the slim one) mounted on a Baumuster B hour hand and dial. Those are so frequent that I am inclined to think that it is a legitimate variation, in addition to the top-heavy minute hand as shown on the Wempe.

[Crusader]

Hi friends,

I am also interested in this project. I read the whole thread an I am not sure if I understand everything because my english is not the best. Did we discussed an outer circle around the minutes? I think the original watch have a outer white circle and the mock not? Can someone explain it?
Thanks and regards,

Dede

Welcome to the forum DeDe !

I checked my pictures, and there is indeed an extremely fine (much, much slimmer than the minute markers, e.g.) white circle around the dial. Not sure whether that is part of the design, though, or results from mounting the dial and fitting the crystal ...

[fachiro1]

Regarding the strap, LACO makes the old style strap in two lengths, maybe three...the regular length may be too small for some in terms of slipping the watch on the wrist due to its closed nature, so i think we should ge with the long length.

[Paulo]

If there are different sizes why not make everyone happy, with the appropriate size for everyone?

[Crusader]

Regarding the strap, LACO makes the old style strap in two lengths, maybe three...

That would be excellent news, says my 9" wrist ... :-!

[fachiro1]

Paul, that's a good idea. I'm just going by my experience with both the regular and the long strap. On the regular lenth, with a 7" wrist, the strap, when on the wrist is about perfect. There is very little tail though when you put the tail end thru both keepers and the steel ring. The issue is concerning the width of your hand when you slip the watch on. A wide hand may have problems getting the watch on. On the long strap, that point is moot, but now the tail is long and it may end up going all the way around the wrist and touching the top lugs; very nato -style, but some may not like it.

[fachiro1]

btw....if I didnt mention it before.

ITHINK THIS WATCH IS GOING TO BE AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:-!:-!:-!:-!:-!:-!:-!:-!:-!:-!:-!:-!:-!:-!:-!

[hotnerd]

Strap sizes - I will request Laco to give a strap option during the ordering process (deposit) and you can then choose your strap. I am not sure if it cost you more for the non-standard strap but I think if it very important to have that strap, you will be willing to pay a bit extra ;-)

Lume shot - I will request a lume shot of the current watch and will post here soon

Cheers,
Bhanu

[Janne]

b-) Indeed they do ... if there were original Lacos with the dots on the inner circle (which I don't know at the moment - I only have non-dotted Lacos in my picture files ;-))
My B-uhr has an original, non-restored dial, that is why it looks a little bit many....You can see the beautiful dotted inner circle there! :-! I posted a picture of it earlier in this thread!

[Crusader]

My B-uhr has an original, non-restored dial, that is why it looks a little bit many....You can see the beautiful dotted inner circle there! :-!

Is yours a Laco or an ALS ... I forget ... too many B-Uhren about these days. ;-)

I am sure that the dots on the inner circle varied between makers, and they may have been added towards the end of the war.

I am not against the dots at all, I justwanted top oint out that historically, both the dotted and the non-dotted versions can be considered correct, as can be both the slim and the top-heavy minute hand. :-)

[Janne]

Great looking dial Janne but the crown looks like a candy wrapper crown. :) :)
Yep, from a Marsbar! :-d No, I quickly Photoshopped the crown on the original picture.

[Janne]

Is yours a Laco or an ALS ... I forget ... too many B-Uhren about these days.
It is a Laco WW2, movement Durowe d 5. the dial is unrestored, that is why it looks a little bit manky. I will keep it that way, pity to remove the patina it got overflying UK, and during the 60+ years since!
I do not know what an ALS is.

[ParkinNJ]

This sounds like a great project! I'm definitely in ~ email sent to Bhanu.

[Paulo]

ALS = A. Lange & Söhne :-)

[thodgins]

I see what you mean about the length of the arrow. It should be closer to the inner circle.

[Janne]

Thank you for that info, Paulo! A day when you do not learn something new is a wasted day!

[Crusader]

This sounds like a great project! I'm definitely in ~ email sent to Bhanu.

Welcome to the forum, Parkin! :-)

[Crusader]

ALS = A. Lange & Söhne :-)

Thanks Paulo ... my firewall kicked in when I was about to reply, and I had to reboot the computer.

Good to see the question answered already. b-)

[Janne]

Strap sizes - I will request Laco to give a strap option during the ordering process (deposit) and you can then choose your strap. I am not sure if it cost you more for the non-standard strap but I think if it very important to have that strap, you will be willing to pay a bit extra ;-)

Lume shot - I will request a lume shot of the current watch and will post here soon

Cheers,
Bhanu Laco have 3 different lengths, 16.5 cm, 18 cm and 20,5 cm
Question to Laco: 1: What is the "standard delivered" strap length?
2: On the 42mm "chassis" what is the length lug to lug?
To All: It might be wise to order an extra/ 1 step longer strap with the watch if you are not sure which strap you need. The cost is 49 Euro only.

[hwilsdorf]

I have an update from Laco with 2nd draft of mock up pictures :-)

- Laco is still searching for the right onion crown, so please wait patiently for 3rd draft to reflect the new crown
- Dial with lume dots on the hour circle is included and is not a problem
- Caseback engraving is redone per your suggestions

I am highly impressed by such a quick turnaround by Laco and excellent communications on this project :-!

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-1/1131934/Flieger_2824_WatchUseek_02.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-1/1131934/Back_WatchUseek_03.jpg

Cheers,
Bhanu


This is near perfect Bhanu! With a modified onion crown, it would be sweet! All we need now is a date function! :-d :-d Just kidding! Well done Bhanu!

Do you think we could request Laco to include two vintage looking straps with our LE's?

Everybody who contributed here deserves a pat on the back. Including Mr Pfeiffer of Laco! Well done! Cheers!

[Janne]

http://www.chrono24.com/images/uhren/images_71/s9/1352971b.jpg[/IMG]

A pic of the Replika Original from the Laco website.
I think the crown has been pulled out on this shot. The stem is much shorter in real life, about 1.3 mm between the case and the crown! It is the tilted picture, the second one from the top. Disappeared on my post.

[BRUCE]

Picture didn't show for me. This should be it.

[Janne]

I checked my pictures, and there is indeed an extremely fine (much, much slimmer than the minute markers, e.g.) white circle around the dial. Not sure whether that is part of the design, though, or results from mounting the dial and fitting the crystal ...
I did not ( unable to) remove the movement, but checked my watch with a high magnifying loupe, and it looks like that thin white line on the outside of the minute markers is a reflection from the crystal. No white line is visible outside the crystal margin, where the dial is visible.

[Janne]

Yes, thank you, that is the one I lost. Below, I measured approx 1.3 mm stem. Also, you can see the "white line " outside the minute markers. BUT, it is an illusion, no line visible under manification unless it is completely covered by the crystal.
Also, see length of arrow!

And I am happy to say, that my dear wife is so impressed with this project that she ordered one watch for herself! :-!
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk70/jpultr/B-uhr2-2.jpg

[pipers]

Laco have 3 different lengths, 16.5 cm, 18 cm and 20,5 cm


How do you measure the length? With the tang in the last hole (near springbar) then measure from springbar to springbar?

[Janne]

No idea! I just checked Laco's factory site at Laco.de .....
I checked Stowas site. They have a very nice, but conventional strap (20mm) with a great patina. Of course, the bucle is imprinted "Stova". In worst case I guess that strap and a Demel tool.....;-)

[noctilux]

I don't really know if I came in too late as I'm a newbie in the forum. If possible, please count me in for 1 as well. thanks.

Raffy

[BRUCE]

I just wanted to throw in with Crusader and thodgins on the arrow position. I'll post a picture or two of Laco Beobachtungsuhrs (shamelessly lifted from Ebay) demonstrating the location of the line leading up to the arrow. It is very close to the Hour circle on the three Laco and Wempe dials I have looked at. I think the line leading up to the arrow on our project watch dial starts too far away (above) the hour circle (IMHO).

The rightmost picture is our current dial for reference.

[Crusader]

I don't really know if I came in too late as I'm a newbie in the forum. If possible, please count me in for 1 as well. thanks.

Raffy

Welcome to the forum, Raffy.

No, you are not too late. There is a separate thread in thsi subforum that details the order deadline and whom to contact by e-mail. :-)

[noctilux]

Welcome to the forum, Raffy.

No, you are not too late. There is a separate thread in thsi subforum that details the order deadline and whom to contact by e-mail. :-)

Thanks! I was able to drop Bhanu an email to put me in line for the order.

cheers,
Raffy

[hwilsdorf]

Thanks! I was able to drop Bhanu an email to put me in line for the order.

cheers,
Raffy


Sent you a PM Raffy! Cheers

Jason

[hwilsdorf]

Should we move the arrow a little lower? Which almost sticks to the ring. I have photoshoped a quickie picture and added the onion crown (through my limited knowledge w/ photoshop). Experts please comment?

BEFORE :
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e10/hwilsdorf/LacoFliegerLE.jpg

AFTER :
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e10/hwilsdorf/LacoFliegerLEcopy.jpg

I noticed original B-uhr watches had a lower positioned arrow off the pics provided or it's probably the illusion of a 55mm vs a 42mm dial? If it's only an illusion, then we should lower the arrow a tad for the 42mm to also give that similar illusion?

Experts feel free to correct me if im wrong.

Thanks.

Jason

[BRUCE]

I'm certainly no expert on this, but your new arrow location looks much more like historical examples of Laco and Wempe dials I have seen in pictures. I think the closer position represents a real improvement. One hour-circle line width away from the 12:00 Dot is what I would use if I was graced with ability to make the dial just for myself.

Can't see the crown really clearly, but it already looks better than the automatic crown shown in the initial/working images.

[garaventa]

Hello, guys,

I have found some more interesting pictures in my archive.

First I want to show you a LACO 42mm B-Uhr with a type of crown we are all searching for.

Look and discuss it:

http://i25.tinypic.com/xbn7fq.jpg

In my opinion it is exactly what I expect to have!


Second I found pictures regarding position and length of the triangle at the 12 position.

The dials with dots have only a very small gap between arrowline and dot at 12 o´clock.

The dials without dots have a little bit more space between.

All watches are made by LACO.

Look at the pictures:

http://i31.tinypic.com/2gsodiu.jpg

http://i29.tinypic.com/a24qa8.jpg



Best regards


garaventa, who has ordered Nr. 22;-)

[Paulo]

You mean this one? ;-) :-d http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?p=951249#poststop

[garaventa]

OK, it is obviously the same watch, only with pulled crown on my picture.:-s

I thought it would be a crown with a little gap between case and crown itself. Also the shape of the crown looks better in the pulled position.

So forget my picture.

garaventa

[Paulo]

Better post it twice than forget it. :-) b-)

[hotnerd]

A minor update:

The lume is confimed by to be Superluminova C3.

I have requested a lume pic. Mr. Pfeiffer said that it is their standard lume in all watches.

I am still awaiting the crown update.

I have also requested the arrow to be lowered, closer to the circle.

Cheers,
Bhanu

[Janne]

I just saw the blue painted hands on the Archimede Pilot. I hope we have agreed on black hands?

[Paulo]

Definitely black, as blued imply a 6 month delay (painted never). :-)

I had a watch with blue painted hands and all I can say is that it looks cheap. :-(

[Janne]

I mean the painted blue. Not nice at all! Black is Beautiful!

[fachiro1]

The black hands with the white lume Laco makes are really good. No complaints!

[stuffler,mike]

A minor update:

The lume is confimed by to be Superluminova C3.

I have requested a lume pic. Mr. Pfeiffer said that it is their standard lume in all watches.

I am still awaiting the crown update.

I have also requested the arrow to be lowered, closer to the circle.

Cheers,
Bhanu

Thanks für the update Bhanu. :-! We seem to be rather quick. What should our next project be about ? :-d

[Paulo]

Any Laco owners got a lume pic? :-d

[hwilsdorf]

Thanks für the update Bhanu. :-! We seem to be rather quick. What should our next project be about ? :-d

I know im not Bhanu but what about a Type A dial for June! :-! So we can have a father and son watch sorta? :-!

[Frode]

Any Laco owners got a lume pic? :-d

http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=94009 :-!

[stuffler,mike]

I know im not Bhanu but what about a Type A dial for June! :-! So we can have a father and son watch sorta? :-!

Not for me, thanks. Already own A-types (Stowa, Fortis, Archimede PO). Indeed i'd be interested in a (customized) chrono.

Another brand, another try :-d

http://www.forumsuhr.ch/Forumsuhr_3_-_Chrono/Ansichten_2/cr_fo.jpg

[Hary]

I will support you Mike if you can convince Joerg to make customized Stowa Chrono for the forum members :-!

[thodgins]

I would be on board for that project. I think that would be a great idea.:-! I noticed that the links to the Forumsuhr.de no longer work. Did you happen to save any of the other chronograph concepts?

I happened to save this one for some reason.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f137/thodgins/StowaChrono.jpg

I know there were other concepts like chronographs with a Power Reserve indicator and chronograph registers that made use of disks instead of traditional hands.

Mike you should start this thread on the Stowa forum:-d

[Paulo]

Thanks, great looking lume! :-!

[Mescalito]

I would be on board for that project. I think that would be a great idea.:-! I noticed that the links to the Forumsuhr.de no longer work. Did you happen to save any of the other chronograph concepts?

I happened to save this one for some reason.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f137/thodgins/StowaChrono.jpg

I know there were other concepts like chronographs with a Power Reserve indicator and chronograph registers that made use of disks instead of traditional hands.

Mike you should start this thread on the Stowa forum:-d

the black chrono looks really great!!! if this one could be realized for a forum's LE, i would definetly be interested in this project! ;-) after my pilot's watches i'm still missing a dress watch and this one would just be perfect (with size between 42 and 44mm). has this watch ever been realized?

but until then i'm really looking forward to my LACO b-)

[BRUCE]

It looks as if we may be in bit of a holding pattern here...waiting for the Crown design. I was wondering if we could take a few moments to really nail down our understanding of the Lume that is planned for our watch here. You know when you see an absolutely stunning dial with extraordinary luminesence, you are most likely looking at RC Tritec Super-Luminova, C3 being the brightest (C1 is whiter but not as bright). The term Super Luminova has come to be used as Xerox has for a copy process, a generic term you know. Actual Super-Lumonova was designed in Labs in Japan, and because of Swiss business requirements, entirely produced and sold by the Swiss company RC Tritec. True Super-Luminova is what is used by recent/modern Genuine Panerai watches, and results in a one-of-a-kind Lume effect. Professional "superlumers" such as VacLume, Rob in Canada, and Navilume use actual Super-Luminova exclusively, and people flock to them...they are backed up for months re-luming dials done with other "SuperLume" products.

All that being said, my question is, would it be possible to determine if Laco actually is going to use RC Tritec Super-Luminova for our 50 dials? If they use a different product, is an upgrade something we all would be interested in doing? I guess cost and timing would be the bearing factors. In the process of asking the question, we may find that we are already getting a very desirable dial. Again, just asking here, I'm thrilled with the entire project as is, just want to be sure we don't miss an option for want of asking a question. Here is a link to RC TRITEC http://www.rctritec.com/ and no, I don't work for them, it just sounds like I do.

[Janne]

This is what I think: We and Laco are creating a 42mm "recreation", or what ever you call it. The Lume should not be too bright. (My own 55mm has beed dead lumewise for decades I guess) I personally, prefer a "soft" lume. And as Hwilsdorf suggested, maybe with a patinated/yellowish look?

[stuffler,mike]

This may read harsh but if Laco says and confirms they do use Superluminova C 3 which is a trademark of RC Tritec they do, period. Who do you think Laco is ?

[Janne]

While looking back in the thread so I could give Hwilsdorf credit for his suggestion re yellowed Sluminova, I had problems finding this part of the thread. 244 comments makes this not a thread, but a TransAtlanic Cable! :-d
Could it be possible if everybody added their input/comments at the end of the thread?
There are now so many posts, it is getting very tricky and easy to miss some vital info/discussion!
Thanks Janne

[BRUCE]

This may read harsh but if Laco says and confirms they do use Superluminova C 3 which is a trademark of RC Tritec they do, period. Who do you think Laco is ?
Didn't mean it that way Mike...no distrust here, or lack of respect. Just trying verify that we are not making an invalid assumption. Just trying to make sure we all are on the same page, talking about the same product with our eyes wide open, I'm sure we all have the same goal there.

[Crusader]

I don't see a case for yellowish (aged) lume ... might as well ask for a scratched case/lugs, a wobbly crown and a worn-out strap. ;-)

In fact, anything other than C3 will glow markedly less intensive.

[Paulo]

I agree, if B-Uhr were to be reissued the specs wouldn't ask for aged lume for sure... ;)

[Janne]

I don't see a case for yellowish (aged) lume ... might as well ask for a scratched case/lugs, a wobbly crown and a worn-out strap. ;-)
If you will, I can age them for you!
But as I remarked somewhere on this thread yesterday (I think), You can get a beautiful AGED (not wornout) strap.
Would look great on the watch!
But, as I have said in several posts on this thread, we should keep to the "Standard" Laco production as much as we can. Easier for Laco - cheaper for us! Everybody is a winner!

[hotnerd]

No need for apologies hwilsdorf :-)
This is the reason the Laco project is popular since you are designing it and without your input it will not be successful.
Ofcourse, sometimes there are limitations from Laco to either obtain the parts or work within the contrainsts of set price.
But I think Laco accepted majority of our input and they will manufacture an awesome LE B-Uhr.
I am looking forward to seeing the next draft:

+ sand blasted 42mm stainless steel case, height 13mm
+ solid caseback engraved "limited edition" with Laco logo and Nr.
+ Hand wound modified ETA 2824 (hacking)
+ free-of-inscription-no-date-dial, type: Baumuster B
+ lume dots on hour circle and lowered arrow below 12
+ an onion crown
+ a domed sapphire crystal
+ Superluminova C3 lume
+ standard Pilot strap but with options during ordering process
+ Laco LE limited to 50 (based on demand fewer watches are possible)
+ Price for LE estimated between 500-600 Euros

Cheers,
Bhanu