Pateck & Co pocket watch challenge

[rousp]

Now, here is a little challenge for you.

I've stumbled upon a pocket watch for sale, I don't have any useful images of it at the moment. But here is what the seller says:

Pocket watch with a locomotive on the dial. The back lid is ingraved with a flower on a silver surface. Inside the lid it says "CHH" and 93296 and stamped: "argent".
It also says 34660 and "Pateck & Co, Geneve" on the other lid.
Wound by key.
In need of a service.

I said I don't have any useful images.. This is the one I have.. It's anyones guess witch one the Pateck is..
http://images.qxlricardo.com/ImgUsers/5/555/55530/5553016/555301678_2_Big.jpg

Well.. For now my question is.. Do anyone of you know enough about Pateck to say anything about witch model this might be, and price..
I'm lost when it come to pocket watches..

Rousp

[Hartmut Richter]

Well, if it has something on the dial, it shouldn't be one of the left two. The third one looks golden so I'd go for the last one (on the right).

On the other hand, who really cares?! Are you thinking that this might be from Patek Philippe?!! I'd say, very unlikely - even allowing for a misspelling on behalf of the seller, Patek Philippe never put Patek & Co, Geneve on their watches AFAIK. They started as Patek, Capek & Cie (NOT "& Co." - the french version is "et Companie", abbreviated to "& Cie") and soon afterwards became Patek Philippe. I have never seen just one name on the dial. Either coincidence or a deliberate fake, I'd say. On top of that, mixing styles (a train on the dial, flowers on the case) sounds a little too kitschy for PP.

Hartmut Richter

[radger]

If the 'Patek' is key wound, as you say, then it
should be the first one as the other three look
to be stem wound....but where is the loco on
the dial?

[Eeeb]

Well, if it has something on the dial, it shouldn't be one of the left two. The third one looks golden so I'd go for the last one (on the right).

On the other hand, who really cares?! Are you thinking that this might be from Patek Philippe?!! I'd say, very unlikely - even allowing for a misspelling on behalf of the seller, Patek Philippe never put Patek & Co, Geneve on their watches AFAIK. They started as Patek, Capek & Cie (NOT "& Co." - the french version is "et Companie", abbreviated to "& Cie") and soon afterwards became Patek Philippe. I have never seen just one name on the dial. Either coincidence or a deliberate fake, I'd say. On top of that, mixing styles (a train on the dial, flowers on the case) sounds a little too kitschy for PP.

Hartmut Richter


very few companies misspell their own names... I smell a rat.... maybe a Rateck? ;-)

[rousp]

No, I'm not thinking in of a misspelled Patek..

I'm thinking of an Pateck.
Link to live ebay autcion, for an example (http://cgi.ebay.com/Pivoted-Detent-Chronometer-Pocket-Watch-By-Pateck-Co_W0QQitemZ380084798334QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPocket_ Watches?hash=item380084798334&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50)

[rousp]

I agree, the mixing of styles is rather odd..

Regarding the Patek / Pateck issues, please look at my post further down.

[radger]

definately...but if it was spelled Patek and co it could be legit as Patek
made watches under this name between 1845-51 after a split with
his initial partner.
That first watch could be from that period...it looks very elegant but I'd
want to see the movement.

[Eeeb]

It's been up for 7 days and no one has bid... the market smells a rat too...

[radger]

That is the only watch by Pateck & co I've ever seen....
and I've scoured the internet and can't find another.

[Janne]

In May this year another pocketwatch named Pateck popped up on this forum. Use the search and spelling Pateck.

I guess a "hommage" of old? Nothing is new under the sun!

[radger]

In May this year another pocketwatch named Pateck popped up on this forum. Use the search and spelling Pateck.

I guess a "hommage" of old? Nothing is new under the sun!



Thanks for that Janne....everything is a lot clearer now.:-!

[Eeeb]

I think 'hommage' is too nice a description. The movement is not a modern movement (in the link, at least). This was made to deceive.

[rousp]

You can find them, but usually on auction sites.
Weather or not it's real, I don't know.
I have never seen this brand before.

[Janne]

I think 'hommage' is too nice a description. The movement is not a modern movement (in the link, at least). This was made to deceive.

That is because I am a nice person, Eeeb! Gentle and nice.
(I somehow think a lot of hommages are made and bought to decieve the non-wis.)

[JimH]

Pateck was sued by Patek Phillipe for this reason.

Previous thread discussing this (http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?p=982001#poststop)

[rousp]

Interesting reading!
Thanks alot!