Gold Record

[Marrick]

Here we have a little (29mm) 9ct gold watch by Record - pre Longines days. The movement is signed with RW over T (Record Watch, Tramelan) and is very like the 022-18 on the Ranfft database. So I would guess early 40's. :think:

http://inlinethumb18.webshots.com/44241/2108559520101294029S425x425Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb06.webshots.com/43397/2821821540101294029S425x425Q85.jpg


Keeping decent time - but I have noticed the regulater position.:-d

[Eeeb]

15 jewels on a winder seems low for the 40s.

Vendors claim Record was Longines low priced brand but I have never seen anything about it on longines.ch... I wonder what the history is. I can not imagine a 'low priced brand' having a solid gold watch...

I like the swan!

[Marrick]

Potted history here:

http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&&2uswk&Record_000

Movement here:

http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&&2uswk&Record_022_18

The vendor did not mention the Longines connection at all. In fact, the entire description was:

'Nice gold record vontage watch keeps time c1945 new strap.'

Do you think it might be 30's then?

Inside case has non-British hallmark so I can't date it:

[Eeeb]

Well, Ranfft shows a 15 jeweled version of this movement with a 1945 date so maybe it is from the 40s...?!

I can't make out any detail on the hallmarks but it was almost certainly European as the US did not allow 9kt watches to be called solid gold watches. The US didn't use hallmarks in the same way either. Individual casemakers could do what they wanted as long as the purity was accurately portrayed.

[pacifichrono]

I, too, was thinking 1930s when I saw the photos. :think:

[Marrick]

The hallmarks are 9 .375 L and something that could be a cowbell on its side. Or a weight. Or many other things.

The L could be for Le Locle. See: http://poincon.blogspot.com/2006/10/branch-assayers-marks-by-years.html

- but I have looked through

http://poincon.blogspot.com/2005/07/old-official-swiss-hallmarks-circa.html

and nothing matches.

[jedanzoom]

I have somewhere movement of "Record Geneve" wrist watch from 1920's or 1930's,as I belive.I'll put some photos,maybe it will help.

[Marrick]

I have somewhere movement of "Record Geneve" wrist watch from 1920's or 1930's,as I belive.I'll put some photos,maybe it will help.

Thank you.:thanks

[jedanzoom]

As I promised:


http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/4718/img1915l.th.jpg (http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1915l.jpg)
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/5647/img1918j.th.jpg (http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1918j.jpg)
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9080/img1917n.th.jpg (http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1917n.jpg)


Photos are thumbs,so just click on them.
There is a mark under the dial that says "RWT" in oval."T" is placed under the letters "RW".

Regards!

[Marrick]

Thank you. Yes - its the same movement. Yours is marked with the number 022-18. So mine could very well be 1930's.:-!

[radger]

That is a very nice Record watch you have.

These Record watches are good quality, I would say on par
with Longines of similar date and 15 jewels was the norm for this
time.

Here is my Record watch cal 022 K, German Army WW11 issue.

My catalogue gives 022-18, 022-18 SC & 022 K as all being built
on the same dial plate but with the SC being centre seconds and they
are all different heights, so's the internals will be different.

022-18 ... 3.4mm
022-18SC.... 4.55mm
022 K..... 4.70mm

My watch has incabloc, which is unusual for a WW11 watch,
I've saw this before on cal 022 K German issue watches, but never
on British issue Record cal 022 K. military watches.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/Lontails/th_IMGP2883.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v631/Lontails/?action=view&current=IMGP2883.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/Lontails/th_IMGP2884.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v631/Lontails/?action=view&current=IMGP2884.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/Lontails/th_IMGP2895.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v631/Lontails/?action=view&current=IMGP2895.jpg)

[Marrick]

Was that the one on ebay recently listed as 'Record Genf'?

A proper military watch; but no swan.:-d

[radger]

Yes it is lol...you saw it too....amazing, if I remember
correctly only 8o or so people looked at this watch
according to the ebay counter.

It wasn't described as a military watch at all, but
I noticed the DH and won it at a nice price and was pleased
that it only needed a service.
I swear this watch hadn't been opened in probably 40 or more years,
the seal was thick with gunge, and the oil colagulated on the pivots
but with an almost pristine movement and untouched dial...
just the way I like them.
I've been wearing this watch for two weeks now and it keeps great time.

[Marrick]

Yes - I was a 'watcher' on it - but I think I had run out of funds at the time, so did't bid. I've bought quite a few recently.:-)

I can't remember what you got it for, but it wasn't much was it?:-!

Its amazing how poorly described some watches are. Mine was listed as 'Mens vintage watch' - brand not mentioned in the header. And although the description said gold - it didn't say 'solid' or 'hallmarked'. I contacted the seller before bidding who confirmed that it was solid gold; but he didn't post my question and its reply on the listing. I was the only bidder and got it for the start price of £40.b-)

[radger]

You got a great bargain there.

I paid £46.00 for my watch and was very happy
to win it at that price.

As you say, some sellers don't take the trouble to research
and describe accurately what they have and a little knowledge is
a wonderful thing.