WUSSE - Design (Part 1) - The Case

[Uwe W.]

PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION CAREFULLY!

We’ve now reached the exciting part of the WUSSE project: designing the watch! :-!

The design process will follow a simple format. A design element will be introduced at the beginning of every week in a new thread. The thread will be left open for discussion until the following weekend at which point voting will take place. Although we would like to adhere to this time structure, items that involve more preparation, such as dial design, may take longer to post and vote. Our goal for this design will be to keep the cost of the WUSSE watch in the 400 Euro range. Please keep this in mind when you’re making your comments and suggestions; clearly a solid gold cased 7750 movement is not on the table! :-d

Only those who are on either the Reserve or Waiting List may take part in the discussion and voting. If you wish to be put on the waiting list, please read through the WUSSE - General Information (http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=315416)thread first, and then add your request to the WUSSE – Reserve List (http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=315424)thread.

What constitutes a Special Edition watch is something you should spend some time considering. It should be a watch that lives up to its description of being Special. You should think about what you want in a Special watch. Is it something that is unlike anything else you own? Is it a design that has never been done before? Is it a homage to a historical watch that has not already been replicated? Will it be from a genre that you haven’t previously explored? Please spend some time and think about what you really want.

The first design item we need to discuss is the watch case. Deciding on a watch case will also decide the watch size. The discussion on this design element should revolve around the various aspects of each case; their size, shape and function. For example: divers will have bezel, Aviations are square and Nav cases have big dials. Please limit your comments in this thread to the watch case-type. There will be further threads pertaining to items such as the case back and finish. Please note that display and solid case backs are available for each case type.

Since the project will be a variant build from the existing Steinhart collection, we will need to choose our watch case from one of the following types:

Aviation (44 mm, 24 mm lugs [strap size], crown at either the 3 o'clock or 9 o'clock position)

http://www.vorg.com/watches/aviation.JPG



Nav-B-Uhr (48 mm, 22 mm lugs, crown at either the 3 o'clock or 9 o'clock position)

http://www.vorg.com/watches/navb.JPG



Nav-B-Uhr II (44 mm, 22 mm lugs, crown at either the 3 o'clock or 9 o'clock position)

http://www.vorg.com/watches/navbII.JPG



Ocean (42 mm, 22 mm lugs, crown at either the 3 o'clock or 9 o'clock position)

http://www.vorg.com/watches/ocean.JPG



Triton (45 mm, 24 mm lugs, crown at either the 4 o'clock or 11 o'clock position)

http://www.vorg.com/watches/triton.JPG

Let the discussion begin! :-!

[CmdrBond]

My preference would be the Nav-B UHR II as I don't have huge wrists and will be therefore voting for this one when the poll is ready

[teg33]

My preference would be the Nav-B UHR II as I don't have huge wrists and will be therefore voting for this one when the poll is ready
good choice :-! I'll vote fotr Nav-B UHR II too

[Uwe W.]

Everyone knows it isn't just about size. ;-)

What about the shape? If a 44 mm works for you, then the Aviation and Triton cases should be options.

I'm on the flip side and would like a big hunk of metal on my wrist (I must be compensating for something). I'm awfully tempted by the Triton case; I like the idea of a crown in the 11 o'clock position - how unusual would that be? But I'm not so sure about having a bezel. Maybe this project should be about the dial design, in which case (pun intended) the big 48 mm Nav-B would be the choice.

A special watch should have a special presence on your wrist! I say go big or go home! :-d

[Andy S.]

I think of the above options, Aviation / Buhr 44 / Buhr 48 i would be most interested in.
The Triton is a possibility dpending on final config & the Ocean i wouldn't go for, but that's just me.

How about a sterile black Aviation 'orange' w/ center seconds via eta2801..i'd go for that. |>

I was surprised at the appeal of the SAWLE, it's a great watch....

http://www.telusplanet.net/%7Eandys/sawle_w.jpg

[rosenkruez]

Definitely the Nav B Uhr II style.

[moku]

I'd like a 44mm Nav.B Uhr case. Preferably with an exhibition caseback, if the movement is decorated.

[Mikeman]

ditto!

[Riker]

Hmmmmm, I must say that this will be a difficult choice as it determines the genre in which we will head. Many will want to stay with a pilot style Nav.B. While others will want to look at the diver styles, Triton or Ocean. Using a Nav.B case also gives the option to look at a Marine style interpretation as well. That could be very nice...

For me, my preference is obvious....Nav.B style case...Why...? Well it gives the option of either being a Nav.B style or Marine A-dial style watch.

I like the bigger 47mm Nav.B's and as there are some very nice new Steinharts coming soon in this 47mm size my preference for this WUSSE watch is the 44mm Nav.B II case & crown at 3.....;-)

[sti8k]

Everyone knows it isn't just about size. ;-)

What about the shape? If a 44 mm works for you, then the Aviation and Triton cases should be options.

I'm on the flip side and would like a big hunk of metal on my wrist (I must be compensating for something). I'm awfully tempted by the Triton case; I like the idea of a crown in the 11 o'clock position - how unusual would that be? But I'm not so sure about having a bezel. Maybe this project should be about the dial design, in which case (pun intended) the big 48 mm Nav-B would be the choice.

A special watch should have a special presence on your wrist! I say go big or go home! :-d


I am also of the view that the special edition should be special. I am also tempted by the Triton case. But if the dial design would be distinctive (something like the Czech forum SE), a Nav.B uhr would be nice as well but I am for a 44mm.

[ferro01]

I prefer the 44mm Case of the Nav-B II. The Triton, the Ocean and the Aviation case has nothing to do with a pilot watch. And the 47mm Case of the Nav-B is to big for me.

As Alternative the Aviation with a movement with central second is special.

It would be difficult to create something special with the Nav-B II Case...

Greets ferro01

[Triton]

The case choice does not necessarily dictate the watches theme! The Nav.B-Uhr cases are three piece, so we could actually design a different bezel, f.e. wider and/or taller. Check out the Nav.B-Uhr and the Marine Chronometer ... same case, completely different watches AND different bezels. Even the Marine Timer uses the same case btw ;-)

[ferro01]

I mean the case of the Nav-B II (44mm). Because of the Vintage Titan Version in the future. If we make such special versions for the case we would have problems with the other features and the price!

greets ferro01

[NeoTiger]

I'd prefer Nav-B-Uhr II or the Aviation... 44mm is a good size.

[littlenick]

I already own a NavB and a Ocean 1 so my preference would be something not too similar to that - which leaves the Triton case. It also leaves the Aviation, but with the SAWLE there is already a limited edition of that.
I also think that the NavB theme is already well worked on - think of the spanish Legendario or the new Czech one plus the various standard models Steinhart has listed. And as the Triton already is a fairly unique model in itself it opens the possibility for a truly outstanding limited edition.

[Triton]

Oh, we can get as special as we like, we're only limited a bit regarding material (no solid gold f.e.) and movement (ETA Valjoux 7750 f.e. would be too expensive). But we'll get to that later.

[the_old_curmudgeon]

I also find a Nav-B-Uhr II style case the most appealing option.

[SydneyDan]

Ok---I'm going to kick in my 2 cents here.
I already own a SAWLE and I can't help thinking any variation of the Aviation case as nice as it is, will only be just that, a variation on the SAWLE or Aviation. I honest don't know if i'd be interested in something almost identical to this with orange or any other colour dial.
The one that I think is very unique on the market at the moment are Gunter's new MARINE Chronometer models--either in Bronze, Coffee, Titanium or steel. How about a 44mm version all our own of the Marine dial, either in cream, brown, black or the lume one, but instead of a garden variety 2824-2, how about the handwinding 2801, or even the 44mm Marine with a U6498? I know this is discussing more than just the case, but it is the case type with the view to doing something UNIQUE with it.

[littlenick]

Oh, we can get as special as we like, we're only limited a bit regarding material (no solid gold f.e.) and movement (ETA Valjoux 7750 f.e. would be too expensive). But we'll get to that later.

agreed - but whatever unique design road may be taken here, its still going to be a NavB. Whereas with a Triton its already a much less used design and therefore more attractive to me to modify it further.
Just my 2cent ...

[blighter]

As straight forward as it sounds, I didn't expect to be so puzzled by this choice. Funny, but I kind of presumed that we were working on the Nav-B style;) All I can say for the moment is that there are two of those for me that are definitely a no go: Aviation (simply because SAWLE is pretty much the best you can do with it <well, center second hand could be added but that's it>) and the Nav-b 48mm (it's too big). Nav-b 44 is the most obvious option for me but given the choice i started thinking what could be done with the Triton and Ocean...
It's difficult to predict at this stage but this sort of indication of the direction those two could go into would be a help (i.e. I wouldn't go for the ocean with just a slight dial adjustment and engraving on the back like Odisea but if that was to be something totally different plus on a strap then... it might be interesting)

[Triton]

As straight forward as it sounds, I didn't expect to be so puzzled by this choice. Funny, but I kind of presumed that we were working on the Nav-B style;) All I can say for the moment is that there are two of those for me that are definitely a no go: Aviation (simply because SAWLE is pretty much the best you can do with it <well, center second hand could be added but that's it>) and the Nav-b 48mm (it's too big). Nav-b 44 is the most obvious option for me but given the choice i started thinking what could be done with the Triton and Ocean...
It's difficult to predict at this stage but this sort of indication of the direction those two could go into would be a help (i.e. I wouldn't go for the ocean with just a slight dial adjustment and engraving on the back like Odisea but if that was to be something totally different plus on a strap then... it might be interesting)

Don't look at dial and hands for now, just the case! It is already obvious, that it will be the Nav.B-Uhr II case and I'm pretty sure that the upcoming poll will show this, but please don't think that we need to make some sort of variant to existing Steinhart models only because we will use a Steinhart case.

Check out the (dsicontinued) Le Mans GT for example. Same case that the Aviation uses now (the case was actually developed for the Le Mans GT) but completely different watch, not even the same theme. Just imagine what kind of cool watch we could design using this, IMHO most original and most interesting case :-!

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/1641/lemansgtgulf.jpg

[blighter]

Don't look at dial and hands for now, just the case! It is already obvious, that it will be the Nav.B-Uhr II case and I'm pretty sure that the upcoming poll will show this, but please don't think that we need to make some sort of variant to existing Steinhart models only because we will use a Steinhart case.

Check out the (dsicontinued) Le Mans GT for example. Same case that the Aviation uses now (the case was actually developed for the Le Mans GT) but completely different watch, not even the same theme. Just imagine what kind of cool watch we could design using this, IMHO most original and most interesting case :-!



This one is definitely interesting but totally not my cup o tea to be honest... (I'm more into the settle tones:-d), but that's exactly what I was thinking of when considering other cases than nav-b... that something just different could be made with it. On the settle tones, still SAWLE imo is almost the optimum and therefore I would rule out this case.
On the other hand, I think the more extreme you go, the harder it would be to please the majority and therefore nav-b might be a safer option... but i still have in mind a blure picture of a navigation dial with a diver case on a leather strap, all made kind of "vintage" looking. In fact I found someting similar just yesterday, will try to put a picture when I locate it...

and there it is (pic borrowed from the seiko parts mart):

[BIGPOCKETS]

I also assumed that it'd be a PILOT style...dunno why. I have a great idea for a theme & name for this watch (as a pilot variant).
I had to do a search to see what the SAWLE is....for mine, it doesn't look that spesh! Sorry guys.
The other styles don't do it for me at all, although the TRITON's cool but needs to be bigger, as the bezel looks rather thick.

I'm waiting for my first Steinhart the LGE, so until I receive it, I cannot comment on this style & more importantly for me the size, but I'm pretty sure I'll be opting for the Nav-B-Uhr although at 48 mm, it may a be a little too big & the 44mm Nav-B-Uhr II is too small I feel.
As Uwe W said, GO BIG OR GO HOME!
So a 47mm case as a DESTRO would be a good start I think.
Bronze sounds interesting, brushed case & polished bezel...hmmmm.:thanks

[danilo]

I VOTE TRITON!!!

why? Because looking at Steinhart's limited edition page, i think there has been a limited edition of every type of case EXCEPT the triton.

Instead of having something that looks only a little different to the standard watch, why not have a limited edition that hasn't been done before?

Also, I think there is a new triton case design coming out isn't there? Wouldn't it be good to kick it off with a limited edition!

[rukrem]

My 2cents: A polished Stainless Steel Aviation case with a similar movement to the Tritons's (ETA 2824-2) sounds nice (date window at 6); if the design of the Aviation makes that at all possible. Perhaps with a white face, black numerals and light colored leather band. My second choice would be either a Triton variant. Third choice a 44 or 47 Nav B-II. However, no vintage finish -I think when you squint and look at the antique finish it just looks old.

[clucania]

Nav-B-Uhr II. 44 mm. Crown at 3.

For sure!!!|>

[blighter]

My 2cents: A polished Stainless Steel Aviation case with a similar movement to the Tritons's (ETA 2824-2) sounds nice (date window at 6); if the design of the Aviation makes that at all possible. Perhaps with a white face, black numerals and light colored leather band. My second choice would be either a Triton variant. Third choice a 44 or 47 Nav B-II. However, no vintage finish -I think when you squint and look at the antique finish it just looks old.

Well... isn't that the point of vintage look:-!

I suppose vintage is not everyone's favorite but on the other hand, polished to me just looks tacky...
As they say... as many opinions as many people...

[JoHN-2]

I would like to start my comments about the project begging for your patience and understanding about my low English level.
I hope we achieve a special design for a special watch. Let's go!!!:-!

Nav-B-Uhr II and Aviation are my favourite for this project.

As Triton says, the case can be secondary depending on the design of all other parts of the watch. But it depends on how "specialized" it is.
That's why I think that the 48mm. case of the Nav-B-Uhr is too big and it is difficult to think on a different design for this size case but a flieger one.
On the other side Ocean and Triton cases can only be used for diving watches.
I think Nav-B-Uhr II and Aviation cases are more "friendly" with different kind of designs.

[Uwe W.]

Obviously the Nav-B flieger/pilot watch is an extremely popular style, and based on many of the comments made here, it's at the forefront of people's thoughts.

Let's not forget that this isn't necessarily a pilot watch project!

My hope is that we strike out in an uncharted direction and don't end up with just another subtle variant of something already being manufactured by dozens of watch manufacturers. We need to think outside the box. What can we create from these cases?

I like some of the ideas being offered. Maybe a vintage styled marine or an observer watch from a different service branch than the airforce, like an artillery or naval observer perhaps?

Since there are so many different opinions, maybe we should be looking at a watch case that is most versatile?

Clearly many are leaning towards the smaller B-Uhr. Is this solely because of its size? The difference between it and a Triton is only 1 mm! Even next to the bigger B-Uhr, it's only a 4 mm separation. Take out a ruler and you'll see the difference is marginal. And if you have a smaller wrist and your collection is primarily in the 40 to 44 mm range, wouldn't one BIG watch be Special? Wouldn't it really stand out from the others?

[Icestorm]

Just to throw another idea out there:

44mm Marine Chronometer.
Unitas 6498 handwound mov't.
Polished Stainless steel case
Silver hands & Roman Numerals
Black Dial.
Blue lume.

Essentially something that looks like the watch below (from jomashop), but with the top subdial replaced by the STEINHART logo.

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/jomashop_2069_92147020

[Uwe W.]

Just to throw another idea out there


Case only discussion! :rodekaart Sorry, I couldn't resist... :-d but I do like elements of that idea.

Something that hasn't been commented on is the crown placement. The Steinhart I'm wearing today, the Marine Timer, has the crown at 9 o'clock. It's one feature that drew me to the watch, something unusual and stands out in my collection.

What does everyone think about an alternative crown placement? In this vein, the Triton would be extremely exciting. How many watches have you seen with the crown at 11:00? That would be something special!

[ferro01]

The crown position is an interesting point i think.

Like some SINN watches (EZM 1-3) or the UX GSG9 for example. Also the TUTIMA Military has 2 versions with crown at 9.00. This in an aviantion case with would be interesting....with an military (grey) surface?

ferro01

[JoHN-2]

But orientation of the crown depends on the case maker, doesn't it?
If we want to use a standard case already used by Günter then we have to limit our choice between 3 or 9 and, in the Triton case, 4 or 10.
I suppose other choices could raise the cost of the watch.

[Triton]

But orientation of the crown depends on the case maker, doesn't it?
If we want to use a standard case already used by Günter then we have to limit our choice between 3 or 9 and, in the Triton case, 4 or 10.
I suppose other choices could raise the cost of the watch.

It's not about the case, but when you print the dial upside down, mount it on the movement, then the crown position changes from 3 to 9, or from 4 to 10, dependinhg on where the hole is drilled in the case.

Hope that makes sense :think:

[JoHN-2]

It's not about the case, but when you print the dial upside down, mount it on the movement, then the crown position changes from 3 to 9, or from 4 to 10, dependinhg on where the hole is drilled in the case.

Hope that makes sense :think:

Yes, it makes sense :-!. It's what I wanted to express on my last post :-( :oops: (sorry again about my english) : we can only choose between 3-9 or 4-10. Other choices would be a different case to be made by Steinhart's cases provider (probably with an extra cost).

[Uwe W.]

But orientation of the crown depends on the case maker, doesn't it?
If we want to use a standard case already used by Günter then we have to limit our choice between 3 or 9 and, in the Triton case, 4 or 10.


Yes, sorry. I had meant to write 10 o'clock. My computer automatically changes local time to daylight savings time and it came out as 11 o'clock instead... :-d

My point was that maybe we should explore the idea of orienting the crown in either the 9 or 10 o'clock positions.

[MichielV]

Nav-B-Uhr II has my vote.

I have a Nav-B Uhr and a II in my collection. The Nav B-Uhr II gets more wrist time and the size is perfect in my opinion. :-!

[CzechMate]

My 2 eurocents:

Nav-B 44 - good choice, I could use something that goes better under the sleeve of my dress shirt and I would like some homage to some historical design, similar what the czech chronomag looks like. I even like the idea of doing something completely new - like artilery observer, but who knows how doeas that look like?

Nav-B 47 - I really like the presence of this LGE on my wrist, it is astonishing (but I have quite large wrists, so I understand others might be a little overwhelmed by this watch)

Ocean - this watch is for me out of question - it would need IMHO a lot of work to distinguish it from the original and keep it close to the original watch is kinda no no, there is enough Rolex like watches, that differ in some little detail and scream out "I am trying hard not to look like Rolex!". Either let it look like Rolex, but then there is no SE watch, or leave it completely.

Triton - this watch is so unique and well done, that i cannot think of anythink we could come out to make it better and special.

Aviation - SAWLE is brilliant, I love that watch and would not mind creating something similar here, maybe using some elements from the watch bellow? Can you imagine black PVD case with hands and printing like on the watch bellow? that could be so cool!

So, I am uploading this picture here, in the case thread, but only for the reason to inspire your imagination and push you a bit towards the Aviation case... ;-)

[saltypork]

I really like the idea of this single pusher chronograph.

Just throwing it out there even though this model hasn't been released yet.

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4312/885502.jpg

[allenpc]

Nav-B-Uhr II is my vote, perhaps with the sandblasted matte look like the new Vintage model?

[JoHN-2]

I really like the idea of this single pusher chronograph.

Just throwing it out there even though this model hasn't been released yet.

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4312/885502.jpg

WOW!!! :-p :-p :-p :-p :-p

[moku]

How about a 44mm Nav.B Uhr in black PVD? I'm also open to the Aviation/Le Mans case as well. Both with the crown at 3.

I think both of those cases offer a variety of options for the face.

[Uwe W.]

We've swapped out the images in the original post with blacked-out dials to help everyone focus a little more on the actual cases.

I think versatility will be the key in our case choice...

[Icestorm]

Even after blacking out the dials, I am still a fan of the 44mm Nav B Uhr II.

Call me a traditionalist :-d.

[j.hill]

We've swapped out the images in the original post with blacked-out dials to help everyone focus a little more on the actual cases.

I think versatility will be the key in our case choice...

I agree that versatility is a good thing, so with that in mind I think we should definitely go either the 44 or 47mm Nav.B. In my opinion the Ocean/Triton/Aviation would be harder to customize. There are going to be more places to go with the Nav. B style.

Personally, my vote is the 47mm Nav.B Uhr. I can honestly say that of all my watches my stainless Nav.B is my favorite in terms of case style/size.

[ht8306]

Something like this on a 44mm sand-blasted case may look nice? Don't it's been done before ;-)

http://www.chronometer.net/vietbenrus1970.JPG

[Riker]

The idea of having a single pusher (monopusher) chrono Nav.B styled WUSSS is extremely tantalising but it won't happen unfortunately.......................... The movement is very very difficult to get modified now & expensive....Also a PVD case 44mm Nav.B right now...:think:...I won't say anything other than it could clash with a watch Steinhart 'might' release in the future..... :-x..

Now, back to cases.....As in my first post, I am still pushing the 44mm Nav.B II & crown at 3. It is a timeless design that can lend itself to a few interpretations. We can keep to a pilot style theme or a Marine style theme. Imagine Steinharts interpretation of an A-dial Marine watch, white/cream dial, polished bezel, brushed case....:-p

OK, OK back to cases......Still like a 44mm Nav.B II stainless case & crown at 3.......;-)

[simonjr]

My vote goes to the 44mm Nav B Uhr II..

[clucania]

I like the suggestion a few have made on a sand blasted case. That could be really cool!

Most of us only have polished or brushed.

[Icestorm]

Imagine Steinharts interpretation of an A-dial Marine watch, white/cream dial, polished bezel, brushed case....:-p




I'M SO SOLD ON THIS CONCEPT!!! Also, GOLD HANDS! |>

Hmmm.... back on topic (damn its hard to stay on topic, sorry Uwe)
44mm case is probably also the most customizable one ^_^. For instance, i can't think of a way to use the Ocean case except as a dive watch.... it just looks so..... submarinish!

[Icestorm]

I like the suggestion a few have made on a sand blasted case. That could be really cool!

Most of us only have polished or brushed.


The problem with this is for certain styles sand blasted case may be better, but not necessarily so for other styles.

I really think we should decide on a general theme for the watch before tackling the case.
For example, sand blasted would rock on a pilot watch, but i think polished or brushed may be better on a marine watch?

[H.Solo]

The Nav. B-Uhr 44mm would be my choice. There are a lot of options for this case and with an automatic movement it's something I don't already own out of the Steinhart inventory! ;-)

Just a thougt... how about a pink gold plated case, it's only available for the 47mm version from Steinhart so far - Günther showed it to me the last time and it looks just gorgeous!
That case with a brown dial, matching pink gold hands and a brown leather strap with a pink gold (butterfly-)buckle would be totally awesome! :-!

[BenG]

Hi, the B-Uhr 44mm is also my choice.
We could try to find something going with the theme of Space and discovery.
I am sure that there are some great possibilities and also the theme will appeal to a lot of us.
Now, it just a matter to define how to achieve that.:think:

Ben

[blighter]

The problem with this is for certain styles sand blasted case may be better, but not necessarily so for other styles.

I really think we should decide on a general theme for the watch before tackling the case.
For example, sand blasted would rock on a pilot watch, but i think polished or brushed may be better on a marine watch?

Personally, I don't think polished works on anything like aviation/marine/flieger...
Dress watch... well, it may work for some, but for the big watches like most of those that we are looking at, it's a no no for me. (Unless we want to go 48/48+ , polish it up, add some crystals on the bezel... and we're set to go on the bling side:-d)

[H.Solo]

We could try to find something going with the theme of Space and discovery.

I kind of like that idea, too... the whole Nasa theme is kind of interesting... how about a bead blasted steel case with a flat white fabric-kind-o-dial (like a spacesuit) with black numerals on the dial and black hands.

Here we even had the choice of a completely luminous dial or black louminova numerals. (and perhaps a red louminous second hand to top it off!) :-p

[blighter]

I kind of like that idea, too... the whole Nasa theme is kind of interesting... how about a bead blasted steel case with a flat white fabric-kind-o-dial (like a spacesuit) with black numerals on the dial and black hands.

Here we even had the choice of a completely luminous dial or black louminova numerals. (and perhaps a red louminous second hand to top it off!) :-p

Sounds interesting Hans ;-) I wonder how it would work but it might... (it would be either great or a disaster :-d
I suppose titanium is also an option, isn't it? (there is the navb 44 ti comming out soon)

[cybertrancer]

Hello!

My preference goes to the Nav-B-Uhr II style (44 mm, 22 mm lugs, crown at 9 o'clock position). I like this style better (from the choices posted), because i believe it can become a multi-theme watch (aviation, navy, army, etc). In my case i prefere a 44mm size to a 48mm becasue my wrist is not so large. Finaly i think the crown at 9 o'clock would help make the watch more special, since most of the watches i've seen have the crown at 3 o'clock (in my case it also helps that i wear the watch on my right wrist :-d )

[BIGPOCKETS]

I think the theme is most important as it will determine the look of the dial as well as the movement...and any embellishments it may have, if it's deemed to have a display back.
To me I know this is a case discussion, but the other elements can't be left for later. I agree with the many members here, that certain cases suit certain overall looks.
My preference it's for a Nav-B-Uhr 47mm, hand wound or auto with a crown at 9 O'Clock. Bronze or Rose Gold, brushed case, polished bezel.
Theme for me is for a Freiherr von Richthofen Historic Edition.
Then we can have some red accents on the hands/dial and some on the movement. Maybe even RED Lume accents...?
Both historic & contemporary......

[H.Solo]

My preference it's for a Nav-B-Uhr 47mm, hand wound or auto with a crown at 9 O'Clock. Bronze or Rose Gold, brushed case, polished bezel.
Theme for me is for a Freiherr von Richthofen Historic Edition.
Then we can have some red accents on the hands/dial and some on the movement. Maybe even RED Lume accents...?
Both historic & contemporary......

Sounds like a great idea for a theme to me! |>
(like not blue but red screws in the mvt. and red hands b-))

[begs]

I'm only interested in a 44mm Nav B Uhr II. case, while a "lefty" (crown at 9) would be nice.

[Icestorm]

luminous dial would be very sexy indeed. But that is a discussion for further down the road, I imagine.

[Mariacci]

I prefer an aviation. Cause I already have a nav-b and the aviation is on my wishlist right now :-)

[handwound]

I say my first choice would go to a Triton style case. Maybe with a fixed bezel? It would make it more like a 45mm "field watch", instead of a diver. I have no photoshop skills, so I can't create an example. I think that case combo would be VERY unique, and not just within the Steinhart lineup!

2nd choice would be the 44mm pilot watch case.

[sti8k]

Imagine Steinharts interpretation of an A-dial Marine watch, white/cream dial, polished bezel, brushed case

http://watchfreaks.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/illu_fliegeruhr_01.jpg
:think:

[Tempus Fugit]

I'd go with the 44mm Nav-B-Uhr II w/22 mm lugs and the crown at the 3 o'clock position.

[CzechMate]

I think the theme is most important as it will determine the look of the dial as well as the movement...and any embellishments it may have, if it's deemed to have a display back.
To me I know this is a case discussion, but the other elements can't be left for later. I agree with the many members here, that certain cases suit certain overall looks.
My preference it's for a Nav-B-Uhr 47mm, hand wound or auto with a crown at 9 O'Clock. Bronze or Rose Gold, brushed case, polished bezel.
Theme for me is for a Freiherr von Richthofen Historic Edition.
Then we can have some red accents on the hands/dial and some on the movement. Maybe even RED Lume accents...?
Both historic & contemporary......

Sounds cool, I was also thinking of some Red Baron style, it is very tempting and your suggestions regarding the watch design are very interesting.|>

[begs]

Sounds cool, I was also thinking of some Red Baron style, it is very tempting and your suggestions regarding the watch design are very interesting.|>
WUSSE is for me WUSEE, not a tematic watch. The uniqe of these watches will be that they are WUSSE, not because they reflect to a person / theme. However considering red elements sounds interesting.

[Icestorm]

im sold on Red Baron too, especially if there is a small picture of a fokker on the dial!

[Riker]

sti8k, silver dial huh....I really like these IWC Father & son BP's..... However, you will need to stay tuned to this forum & the Steinhart website for another very beautiful, interesting & very soon to be released Nav.B.......:-x.......:think:......:-!

Right, back to cases... Using the 44mm Nav.B case & as mentioned by our mate Triton, we could increase the height of the bezel. An example of this already being done would be the IWC Big Pilots...:think:... Very nice design element....

[knyc2000]

Hi Riker,

Soon to be released Nav.B? Is it the limited Titanium Nav.B Vintage?
This is getting exciting...

Chai

[H.Solo]

No it's something different... but also very cool und unique! Already pre-ordered mine! :-!

[BIGPOCKETS]

Hey guys...
Again I know it's a case discussion, don't want to break the "rules".
I only suggested a theme so as to have focus. I'm a designer & having a theme makes things more tangible, otherwise we'd be going around and around.....geddit?:-!
My logic (was) is:
*BIG PILOT shape (my preference) - 47mm,
*Homage to German watch manufacturers which originally made these styles... (I'm learning about the "pilots" watches)
*Archetypal & Historic
*German Historic Aviator - a Freiherr von Richthofen Historic Edition :-!:-!
*Now we have something - we could use RED accents....on the movement as screws or maybe the cross logo along with the Steinhart one, or we could design a logo to incorporate both, not just for the movement but to tie in the whole "package" together like embossed on the back of the strap or buckle...maybe Freiherr von Richthofe on the dial in a BLACK which glows as a RED LUME (don't know if it's such a thing..). Red highlights on the hands etc.....

Point is I think a Nav-B-Uhr 47mm case with "LEFTY" crown @ 9 O'Clock & I thought that a lot of Vintage Navigational instruments were made from brass or copper(?), hence the case colour.
Thus there wouldn't need to be to much work needed to be done on the case...& we could focus on the other bits....
Phew...Historic & Contemporary with the RED accents....as a homage to the Red Baron, an infamous German historical figure.
I really like the fact that then this piece would have some history & not just another FORUM EDITION, do not mean that with ANY disrespect.
I wasn't thinking of plastering images of the Red Baron all over the place, but just RED highlights.

Hope this ranting makes sense.....just my thoughts....my wife thinks I'm NUTS!!!!:-d:-d

[handwound]

47mm would kill it for me, FWIW.

[H.Solo]

I think your motives on this one are perfectly valid! :-!

To have a theme makes a lot of things easier to handle, without having to opt out of hunderes of possiblities with every step and having a theme helps in narrowing down the choices, one have to make with this kind of process. ;-)

so I definately see your point there... and I'm with you. "The Red Baron" seems to be a very interesting thematic choice, that offers lots of possibilities for this watch.

Steinhart has two new colors for his cases (see the newer Marine Watches) so that could also be an option...

[BIGPOCKETS]

The bronze looks interesting from the Marine range...
Is the thought of this piece as a 47mm & 44mm such a silly suggestion?
20 of one size & 35 of the other......
LIKE sti8k'S suggestion...? I know the pics were fro the dial, but it seems if this watch is to be a pilot there are 44mm aficionados as well as 47mm :think:

[lonebikerider]

Definitely the Nav-B Uhr... :-!

[BIGPOCKETS]

...was having a quick play in photoshop...only to illustrate the theme & some points I've mentioned earlier.....
*"linkshändig" Left handed" crown..(forgive my translation if incorrect)
*Rose Gold case....with red accents

[Triton]

I have designed a new sports watch for Steinhart this year, based on the Triton case but with fixed bezel and crown at 3 o'clock. This model will most probably see the light of day sometime late next year. Probably in titanium with a steel bezel and case back

Aynway, I talked to Mr. Steinhart today and asked him, if I could offer this case option for the WUSSE project, since it will be made anyway. He said 'good idea' and so I present to you exclusively option 5b:

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/7582/45case.jpg

It's 45mm with 24mm lugs, just like the Triton, but this way, it can be something different then a dive watch.



Oh, my opinion regarding a WWII theme watch .... Steinhart has already done so many of those and will offer more in the future. I personnaly don't like the idea and would much rather try to go with something more original.

A space/astronaut theme f.e. sounds much more fun to me :-! and I looooooove the Seiko Spacewalk btw :-p

[BenG]

A Space Theme ! Maybe the new case could do it justice!
In the case of a space tool, the chrono function is a must-have though...

[BenG]

Very nice work BIGPOCKET !

[vnf68]

I have designed a new sports watch for Steinhart this year, based on the Triton case but with fixed bezel and crown at 3 o'clock. This model will most probably see the light of day sometime late next year. Probably in titanium with a steel bezel and case back

Aynway, I talked to Mr. Steinhart today and asked him, if I could offer this case option for the WUSSE project, since it will be made anyway. He said 'good idea' and so I present to you exclusively option 5b:

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/7582/45case.jpg

It's 45mm with 24mm lugs, just like the Triton, but this way, it can be something different then a dive watch.



Oh, my opinion regarding a WWII theme watch .... Steinhart has already done so many of those and will offer more in the future. I personnaly don't like the idea and would much rather try to go with something more original.

A space/astronaut theme f.e. sounds much more fun to me :-! and I looooooove the Seiko Spacewalk btw :-p

My vote goes to this case and I like space theme.

[sti8k]

Aaahhhhh..... o| Just wish I will have some spare cash when it is available!

Back to topic, if the interesting watches to be released would be a pilot, then my preference would be something different for the WUSSE. It would swing the vote for me.

[vnf68]

But I like Nav-B-Uhr II (44 mm, 22 mm lugs, crown at either the 3 o'clock) too

[H.Solo]

Triton, the ne 5b option case ist stunning... a Space-theme would be cool! :-! (I already have a lot of ideas in this direction! - perhaps we should talk about this sometime...;-))

But I also like the rosegold case and some of the aspects of Bigpockets design... well done!|> I could imagine this... especially if it would be a 44mm version!

[moku]

I agree with Triton in that I would rather not do a WW-themed watch. I'd actually love to see something a bit more modern, which is why I found the SAWLE so compelling.

[the_old_curmudgeon]

I have designed a new sports watch for Steinhart this year, based on the Triton case but with fixed bezel and crown at 3 o'clock. This model will most probably see the light of day sometime late next year. Probably in titanium with a steel bezel and case back

Aynway, I talked to Mr. Steinhart today and asked him, if I could offer this case option for the WUSSE project, since it will be made anyway. He said 'good idea' and so I present to you exclusively option 5b:

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/7582/45case.jpg

It's 45mm with 24mm lugs, just like the Triton, but this way, it can be something different then a dive watch.



Oh, my opinion regarding a WWII theme watch .... Steinhart has already done so many of those and will offer more in the future. I personnaly don't like the idea and would much rather try to go with something more original.

A space/astronaut theme f.e. sounds much more fun to me :-! and I looooooove the Seiko Spacewalk btw :-p

What is the availability of this case? Would there be any in production available for this project before the 'late next year' release of the new model?

[handwound]

Love that case, Triton! As a side benefit, all of my Panerai straps would fit! Woo-hoo!

[begs]

This 45mm diver style case is interesting, but I am still not into specific themes (neither WWII, nor else).

[Icestorm]

I want a marine chronometer style watch with cream dial and gold hands, or black dial and silver hands.

Would be interesting to see that pulled off on Triton's case.

[Riker]

No, another different piece...:-!

Hi Riker,

Soon to be released Nav.B? Is it the limited Titanium Nav.B Vintage?
This is getting exciting...

Chai

Nice looking spec there Simon, 45mm Triton case with fixed bezel...Sweet..:-!

I like the fixed bezel Triton case idea but I find I am still very liking my thoughts of the brushed 44mm Nav.B case, esqueleto crown or 44mm onion crown, with a Marine theme...Cream/white A-dial, blue or gold hands & maybe a taller polished bezel......:-p.. Then again it doesn't really need a theme as such. Could simply be a great looking Smart casual/formal watch

Many, many options........o|.....:-d

[clucania]

I like the fixed bezel Triton case idea but I find I am still very liking my thoughts of the brushed 44mm Nav.B case, esqueleto crown or 44mm onion crown, with a Marine theme...Cream/white A-dial, blue or gold hands & maybe a taller polished bezel......:-p.. Then again it doesn't really need a theme as such. Could simply be a great looking Smart casual/formal watch

Stop it!!! You are making me drool!!!

:-d

[Icestorm]

Me too me too!

44 mm LE marine watch all the way! It'll be the first Limited Edition Marine watch EVER!

[Tempus Fugit]

Yes!!!

[Tempus Fugit]

Those IWCs are gorgeous!!!

[rukrem]

I change my vote to the alt. Triton case > followed by a far second for the Aviation case. It would be nice to have something not yet on the market, unlike the endless versions of the Nav B.

[Riker]

Stop it!!! You are making me drool!!!

:-d

Me too me too!

44 mm LE marine watch all the way! It'll be the first Limited Edition Marine watch EVER!

Yes!!!

I know, the more I think of it the more interested I am....

* 44mm Nav.B case
* Cream/white A-dial
* Esqueleto or 44mm Nav.b onion crown
* Higher/taller polished bezel
* Brushed case
* Blue or gold hands.

One reason why I like my idea so much is that it is a design or style of watch that will stand the test of time. A simple casually elegant piece that in 10-20yrs will be a design that can't be faulted, a design that will not die out or become unpopular. It will always be a desireable piece with the Steinhart name on the dial...;-)

This is what makes this process so much fun...We get to discuss it all...;-)

[SydneyDan]

Now that´s sounding good...no Red Baron stuff unless Gunter´s going to produce a Snoopy version as well!
If you look at some Cream dial watches, ie Glycines for example, hands with a Black surround look great---much better than blue or gold imho.
The 44mm brushed case, polished high profile bezel and onion crown sounds just right---timeless!

[Porson]

44mm is a suitable size, not too small; not too big.
I have 47mm & 44mm Nav.b, 44mm Aviation and 42mm ocean1 black.
My opinion is 44mm case, but no idea with the dial now..

[Uwe W.]

Hello WUSSE participants.

By now we should have started the voting process on the case, but for the moment it has been postponed pending a discussion with the Watchuseek Admin.

In the interim please continue to discuss watch case ideas.

Thanks!

[JHM]

Hi,

I have just asked or adding my name onto the list and I am happy to give some input:

Another vote for the Triton case from my side. As much as I like the Nav-B watches, the case has been used very much in the past. I am very happy with the offer Steinhart is presenting up 'til today, as there is plenty to choose from, so my wish for the WUSSE is something new and somehow generic.

We could distance ourselves from all the Fora Editions produced up-to-date. I like the idea of a titanium case and having 24mm lug size will be very welcomed with us strap collecting lunatics ;-). Furthermore, the case design with a fixed bezel gives room for plenty dial designs. Some people are a little put off with 47mm sized cases and some think that 44mm cases are just too small for their wrists. Therefore, 45mm seems to be a good compromise. Finally, the case gives more options regarding installing suitable straps/ natos/ zulus/ bracelets. Yes, i really like that Triton fixed bezel case :-).

all the best

Jan

[Uwe W.]

Furthermore, the case design with a fixed bezel gives room for plenty dial designs. Some people are a little put off with 47mm sized cases and some think that 44mm cases are just too small for their wrists. Therefore, 45mm seems to be a good compromise.

Good points Jan. The only issue I would have with a fixed bezel Triton is that the dial size would be fairly small. On a regular watch the bezel performs a function, but if fixed, I only see that it takes away from the dial size. Otherwise I like your reasoning Jan. The Triton case is chunky and has 24 mm lugs, two of the reasons why I bought one.

Simon (Triton) could chime in here, but could the Triton case be used with a full width crystal?

[Triton]

Chiming in ...

The dial size of the Triton case can not be changed, because of the "chimney" that holds the crystal.

But think about this: If we use the fixed bezel for the hour markers/numbers, we could design a very clean, un-cluttered dial b-)

[vnf68]

When shall we vote for the case? Thanks.

[handwound]

...But think about this: If we use the fixed bezel for the hour markers/numbers, we could design a very clean, un-cluttered dial b-)

Hmmmm, I'd need to see a pic/drawing of this first...

:think:

[Uwe W.]

But think about this: If we use the fixed bezel for the hour markers/numbers, we could design a very clean, un-cluttered dial b-)

That does sound rather interesting. Are there any examples on the market you could point to? I'm having a hard time imagining what that might look like, although I'm drawn to the idea.

Re: Voting - We're hoping in the next day or two. We have to iron out a few things with the Watchuseek management first. Thanks for your patience! We're all desperate to move things forward and Simon has already prepared some lovely case drawings for the vote. :-!

[clucania]

Sweet! Can't wait to see the case drawings and to cast my vote!:-!

[markrlondon]

I've only just asked to add my name to the waiting list, so apologies if my input here is a bit premature.

The '5b' suggestion, the fixed-bezel case based on the Triton, sounds very appealing to me. Especially if the bezel is used for markers giving a clean dial layout.

[Triton]

Hmmmm, I'd need to see a pic/drawing of this first...

:think:

Well, vote for the Triton non-diver option and if it wins, I'll get to the drawing board asap ;-)

[handwound]

Oh, I'm voting for the Triton fixed-bezel case, regardless of the dial layout.

[the_old_curmudgeon]

I thought about it and I'm still in favor of the Nav-B 44mm case. One of the attractions of this project to me is the promise of ending up with something unique, and to me having 2 simultaneous projects on WUS based on diver cases (see the DWP thread on the diver forum) would detract from that.

[rukrem]

Triton -quick question, is the watch you are imagining in your head going to be based on the upcoming Triton case or the one currently in production?

[Uwe W.]

Triton -quick question, is the watch you are imagining in your head going to be based on the upcoming Triton case or the one currently in production?

I'd say upcoming. The crown is in the 3 o'clock position now, and the bezel is fixed. There is an explanation and drawing further up in this thread.

[handwound]

I thought about it and I'm still in favor of the Nav-B 44mm case. One of the attractions of this project to me is the promise of ending up with something unique, and to me having 2 simultaneous projects on WUS based on diver cases (see the DWP thread on the diver forum) would detract from that.

I would argue that a fixed-bezel Triton case with the crown at 3 o'clock would be FAR more unique than using the Nav-B case which already has tons of variants.

[Uwe W.]

I would argue that a fixed-bezel Triton case with the crown at 3 o'clock would be FAR more unique than using the Nav-B case which already has tons of variants.

I concur. I had a peak at the model being developed in the Divers Forum and found it has little resemblence to what we're working on here. Other than that, as Simon stated, with a fixed bezel the modified Triton case is really more of a sport watch.

Although I'm really drawn to the Triton case and think there would be some interesting possibilities with this new case, I was really hoping for an unusual crown placement to set our design off. The existing Triton case rotated to a 10 o'clock crown is still high on my list.

[JCW1980]

Sounds like a lot of people are rooting for the 44mm Nav B-Uhr case. I agree.

[JuanSinmiedo]

Hello friends:
First, sorry for my English, as you can verify if it is not very good.
I `m very happy to participate in this project. Every time I start a new project for a special edition watch, here I go without thinking for a minute. My girlfriend will kick my ass, but I have my new watch ...
My choice would Nav-B-Uhr II. Its size, 44mm, I think the most appropriate.

Ps: Deivid and John, are you crazy? Is not never going to stop? Muahahahahaha ....

[sti8k]

I know, the more I think of it the more interested I am....

* 44mm Nav.B case
* Cream/white A-dial
* Esqueleto or 44mm Nav.b onion crown
* Higher/taller polished bezel
* Brushed case
* Blue or gold hands.



Riker, I am beginning to be tempted by the idea of a cream/white dial. Every one of use here would probably have a black-dial pilot so that would be a change. My concern is whether it will look anything like the LE that you mentioned (in another thread as well). Most, if not all of us would have our own idea of a SE pilot. If the new LE would meet 90% of the criteria (and maybe cheaper too), that may swap some votes. Right now, I am undecided. I like a cream/white/silver dial pilot... but if the LE would be anywhere close, I would probably go for the Triton. Maybe you can provide more information on this new LE, if possible?

[H.Solo]

Im tempted by the new Triton case... looks pretty cool and the size would be just right...

I hope the poll starts anytime soon, so we can get on with the project. |>

[Icestorm]

Riker, I am beginning to be tempted by the idea of a cream/white dial. Every one of use here would probably have a black-dial pilot so that would be a change. My concern is whether it will look anything like the LE that you mentioned (in another thread as well). Most, if not all of us would have our own idea of a SE pilot. If the new LE would meet 90% of the criteria (and maybe cheaper too), that may swap some votes. Right now, I am undecided. I like a cream/white/silver dial pilot... but if the LE would be anywhere close, I would probably go for the Triton. Maybe you can provide more information on this new LE, if possible?

I think Riker may have been suggesting a cream dial Marine theme watch, rather than a pilot themed watch, but I am happy with either one!

[sti8k]

I think Riker may have been suggesting a cream dial Marine theme watch, rather than a pilot themed watch, but I am happy with either one!

But the current Marine Timer and Marine B-uhr already comes with cream/white dial. So first look, there is no difference. We would then need to really work on the dial to make it a SE. Still thinking.... :think:

[Riker]

OK, we need to forget about the LSE watch that will be released soon. It has nothing to do with the WUSSE..........The WUSSE watch we are designing will not or should not look like or similar to the LSE. I can assure you we would make sure it didn't look similar anyway... Besides as I have previously mentioned, the LSE will be released long before the WUSSE. .

I will not be showing or giving a glimpse of the LSE before it is released. If anyone does it will be Triton & then I expect he won't reveal it before release either....................

As Icestorm has mentioned my idea is to use the 44mm Nav.B case with a clean A-type dial but not as a pilot watch & not neccessarily as a Marine watch. It can simply be a smart casual/semi formal dress watch.

Riker, I am beginning to be tempted by the idea of a cream/white dial. Every one of use here would probably have a black-dial pilot so that would be a change. My concern is whether it will look anything like the LE that you mentioned (in another thread as well). Most, if not all of us would have our own idea of a SE pilot. If the new LE would meet 90% of the criteria (and maybe cheaper too), that may swap some votes. Right now, I am undecided. I like a cream/white/silver dial pilot... but if the LE would be anywhere close, I would probably go for the Triton. Maybe you can provide more information on this new LE, if possible?

I think Riker may have been suggesting a cream dial Marine theme watch, rather than a pilot themed watch, but I am happy with either one!

But the current Marine Timer and Marine B-uhr already comes with cream/white dial. So first look, there is no difference. We would then need to really work on the dial to make it a SE. Still thinking.... :think:

[sti8k]

OK. Will forget about the LSE for now... "44mm Nav.B case with a clean A-type dial "... sounds good.

[markrlondon]

For what it's worth, it still seems to me that the fixed-bezel Triton offers the greatest scope for something different and unusual.

[saltypork]

I wonder if it's possible to have a tritium dial
not tubes...

I know that sounds too good

but might as well throw it out there if we are going to brainstorm

[vnf68]

Re: Voting - We're hoping in the next day or two. We have to iron out a few things with the Watchuseek management first. Thanks for your patience! We're all desperate to move things forward and Simon has already prepared some lovely case drawings for the vote. :-!
When shall we vote for the case?

[Uwe W.]

When shall we vote for the case?

We are hoping quite soon. We can't say exactly when as the owner of this website has a few concerns that must first be addressed before the project can move forward. We're currently waiting to hear back from him and will let everyone know the moment this matter has been resolved. Again, we would like to thank everyone for their patience.

[the_old_curmudgeon]

We are hoping quite soon. We can't say exactly when as the owner of this website has a few concerns that must first be addressed before the project can move forward. We're currently waiting to hear back from him and will let everyone know the moment this matter has been resolved. Again, we would like to thank everyone for their patience.

All good things come to those who wait. :-!

[Uwe W.]

All good things come to those who wait. :-!

Hmmm. That's not usually something an old curmudgeon would say! :-d

GOOD NEWS everyone. The WUSSE project has been approved and has the blessing of Watchuseek. This means we will immediately move on to the voting phase.

Please follow the instructions in the voting thread. They are designed to make our life easier.

Also, please feel free to make any comments about the vote or post any questions you might have here.

Important: Voting ends Monday night, so please make sure to cast your vote over the weekend.

Here we go! :-!

[Uwe W.]

Just a note everyone. Please use your RANK #, not your WATCH #.

The guys on the waiting list don't have watch numbers yet!

Thank you.

[markrlondon]

Would this be a good time to start a subforum for the WUSSE?

[Uwe W.]

Would this be a good time to start a subforum for the WUSSE?

Absolutely. We've been working on arranging it.

[markrlondon]

Absolutely. We've been working on arranging it.

Cool.

[Uwe W.]

Almost 33% of the votes are in already. :-!

I'm a little surprised and very interested by how it's going so far. I found it was a very tough decision to make. Originally I had something else in mind but then at the last minute picked something I KNOW no one else on this planet has so far.

Keep voting people... every last one counts! :thanks

[sti8k]

It was hard for me but finally decided to have something different as well. But I think whatever comes out in the end... the process would have made it special! b-)

[Uwe W.]

Well, it's Monday around noon and the vote seems to have stalled. Of all those eligible to vote, only 50% have done so.

Come on people, this isn't politics; what are you waiting for? I've seen many of you who haven't yet voted online, so I know you're aware that voting is taking place. Is there something I'm missing? Is there a reason why someone wouldn't vote? Please explain! :-s

[vnf68]

Vote actively! I suggest to exclude from lists those who was on a forum but did not vote:rodekaart

[the_old_curmudgeon]

Well, it's Monday around noon and the vote seems to have stalled. Of all those eligible to vote, only 50% have done so.

Come on people, this isn't politics; what are you waiting for? I've seen many of you who haven't yet voted online, so I know you're aware that voting is taking place. Is there something I'm missing? Is there a reason why someone wouldn't vote? Please explain! :-s

Indifference as to the outcome or a reflection of their actual individual interest in this project? I'd guess??? :-(

[handwound]

Actually, I was unable to view the subforum over the weekend, so this is the first chance I've had to vote. It has nothing to do with indifference or apathy.

Perhaps we should extend the voting deadline?

[Riker]

Agreed, a few anomallies may have stopped some from seeing the subforum thread. Maybe a reminder PM to those eligible members still yet to vote on the case will help bring the count up to near full...;-)

Actually, I was unable to view the subforum over the weekend, so this is the first chance I've had to vote. It has nothing to do with indifference or apathy.

Perhaps we should extend the voting deadline?

[Uwe W.]

Perhaps we should extend the voting deadline?

Probably not a bad idea, but I think it was going to be extended for another reason anyway. The results are running almost 50/50 between two cases which means a majority vote is not likely to happen. We discussed this scenario over the weekend, so in the case of close votes the decision will go to a tie-breaker.

We will list the top two picks and give those who picked a different case (not one of the top two) a chance to change their vote for one of the top two. At the end of that process, whichever case has the most votes is the winner. This is a process that will probably need to be used for some of the other votes as well.

Agreed, a few anomallies may have stopped some from seeing the subforum thread. Maybe a reminder PM to those eligible members still yet to vote on the case will help bring the count up to near full...;-)

Excellent idea James, however, sending out 40 PMs is not my idea of a fun evening. Besides, many who I PM'd regarding selecting a watch # didn't respond.

The design process has to continue forward or we'll still be doing this a year from now.

And for those that don't exercise their right to vote or don't check the forum frequently enough when they know the WUSSE project is moving ahead, they're just going to miss out. We can't let this be held hostage by absentee watch collectors...

[Uwe W.]

Since many have indicated that they had problems accessing the new WUSSE sub-forum over the weekend and many still haven't voted, we're extending voting to 23:59 (EST) THURSDAY OCT. 29.

In the event that vote is near a deadlock and a majority hasn't been reached, there will be a tie-break vote that will immediately follow and conclude by Sunday.

The case will have been chosen by this Sunday. :-!

Also on the weekend the thread for the next discussion and vote will be posted.

:thanks

[Icestorm]

Damn, such a close poll.

[vnf68]

I do not understand why all participants of project did not vote fully.This is disrespect to those who voted.I have suggestion to the managers of project.I suggest to exclude from lists passive members and to accept those who is indeed interested in a project.

[markrlondon]

I do not understand why all participants of project did not vote fully.This is disrespect to those who voted.I have suggestion to the managers of project.I suggest to exclude from lists passive members and to accept those who is indeed interested in a project.

It is strange and a bit disappointing, isn't it. You'd think that anyone who voluntarily joined the project would be willing to vote. They could enter an abstention if they have no strong opinion on the subject of the vote.

But, then again, if I remember correctly there were no conditions attached at this stage to joining the project and so I guess that if people don't want to vote (or perhaps if they have other priorities right now) then that's up to them.

[blighter]

Sorry guys, but I just don't understand the idea of excluding anybody from the project... As far as I know, voting is not something compulsory (at least not in democracy). Everybody have their reasons and talking about disrespect is taking it too far (imo).
If one doesn't want to have any (or at this stage) influence on how this project will go, so be it. If at the end they buy the watch anyway then that's their choice. If they don't, you will. Your vote still counts. If anybody doesn't vote, then your vote have even stronger chance of influencing the project. What's the point of creating the stir then?

(my 5c only)

[vnf68]

«Be not afraid of enemies, they can put to death you at the worst, be not afraid of friends — they can betray you at the worst. Be afraid of indifferent — they do not kill and does not betray, but only from their implicit agreement there are treachery and murder on earth». American poet Richard Eberkhart

[CzechMate]

Guys, no one will be excluded from this project just for the reason of not attending polls. I think thats everyones choice and if someone does not want to vote, or does not have any opinion, or would be fine with whatever the output of the vote is, I am completely fine with such decision.

I want to announce, that i will not be attending any votes till Sunday, as i will be without access to the internet. Uwe will post my votes in my name instead, so everyone please keep in mind, that Uwe will be placing 3 votes.
:thanks

[aerome]

Rose Gold for me does it too!

[Uwe W.]

Just to remind everyone, the vote for the case is now between the Nav.B-Uhr II and the yet-to-be-released fixed bezel Triton.

If you haven't voted yet, now is the time.

If you already voted in the first vote and your pick has been eliminated (Nav.B, Ocean, Triton and Aviation), you can vote for one of the two remaining cases.

If you already voted in the first vote for one of the top two cases, you can do nothing (you first vote will be carried over) or change your mind and vote for the other case.

I hope this is clear to everyone. I also hope that everyone understands why we're doing this. A majority wasn't reached and only one vote separated the top two cases, so for an extra three days we're giving everyone a chance to have a final say. Whichever case is on top as of Sunday evening will be the case used in the WUSSE project.

Please let us know if there are any questions or issues with this.

[vnf68]

Dear friends, vote more active please.I like both variants of the final voting.But if we will choose triton non-diver we will get that absolutely new product.:thanks IMHO

[Uwe W.]

Dear friends, vote more active please.I like both variants of the final voting.But if we will choose triton non-diver we will get that absolutely new product.:thanks IMHO

Well said.

I can't stress enough how important it is that everyone vote. Currently the vote is split evenly. As in 50/50. o|

We need to move this design process forward and decide on a case by tomorrow. And with voting this close - EVERY SINGLE VOTE COUNTS - literally.

Come on everybody, it's a simple decision now between two cases:

In one corner there's the Nav. B-Uhr II case, used in many current production Steinhart models, including the new Limited Edition Titanium.

In the other corner is a new case design, a Triton with a fixed bezel and relocated crown. No other Steinhart watch uses it (yet). How special is that? How different is that from anything else available?

Thank you to everyone who has taken the time and interest to vote. For the rest of you, the decision for the WUSSE watch case is in your hands. Please don't let this vote end in a tie. If it does, the onus will be on the project managers to decide. You don't want that. We don't want that. VOTE NOW! :-!

[cybertrancer]

Hi!

I was under the impression that the "Final Vote" thread was only to be used by:

- Those who voted in watches A, C, D or F on the 1st voting thread, so they have an opportunity to vote for watch B or E
- Those who voted in any watch on the 1st voting thread, but changed their minds and now want to vote either for watch B or E
- Those who did not vote on the 1st voting thread.

From what i have seen on the "Final Vote" thread, at least 8 people repeated their vote on B or E already. I think Uwe W.'s post was very clear and understandable...

So, not counting for the "repeaters", and if my math is correct, at this time (11:49 GMT) watch A and watch B are tied at 24 votes each. 26 people from the reserve list have not voted at all ... around 33% of the total.

I also hope more people will vote.
May i suggest to the "organizers" an extension on the voting for another 24h, if at the end of today, the vote is still tied?

[markrlondon]

Hi!

I was under the impression that the "Final Vote" thread was only to be used by:

- Those who voted in watches A, C, D or F on the 1st voting thread, so they have an opportunity to vote for watch B or E
- Those who voted in any watch on the 1st voting thread, but changed their minds and now want to vote either for watch B or E
- Those who did not vote on the 1st voting thread.


That is my understanding too.

From what i have seen on the "Final Vote" thread, at least 8 people repeated their vote on B or E already.

As I understand it these repeated votes don't matter: They won't be counted as extra. In other words, previous votes for watch B or E (unless the voter changes their mind) will be automatically carried forward to this new vote.

I also hope more people will vote.
May i suggest to the "organizers" an extension on the voting for another 24h, if at the end of today, the vote is still tied?

I too hope that more people will vote. But, if not, I'm willing to accept the decisions of the project managers.

[Uwe W.]

Cyber and Mark, you are both 100% correct and clearly have a firm grasp of the process. I'm quite astonished by Cyber's proficiency at tracking the data from this vote, and as Mark mentioned, any repeated B or E vote has no effect on the base result as that vote has already been registered against the voters name.

We won't be extending this vote. The plan was to complete the design process before the New Year, but with the delays in setting everything up, getting official Forum approval and having a second vote on the watch case, we're already behind. Come what may, the case will be decided upon today. Late this evening the next design thread will also be posted. We need to continue pushing forward as there are far tougher decisions to make still ahead.

Personally, I do find the amount of absentee members a disappointment. As CzechMate stated, everyone has a right to purchase a WUSSE watch, even if they don't participate in its design. However, I am surprised that so many people who claimed an interest in this project wouldn't bother themselves to be a part of it. I suspect that once the watch begins to take form, more and more people will come out of the woodwork and want a piece of the action. For those of you who have been active from the start, at least you will have the satisfaction of knowing you were there every step of the way. :-!

[Uwe W.]

#25 - Nav b Uhr II
My #25, your #50

Hi vnf68. Actually danilo was correct; voting is registered to your RANK number, not your watch number. As this seems to be a point of confusion, I will try and clarify the process.

There are two lists associated with the WUSSE Project, a RANK list and a WATCH list.

The RANK list consists of everyone who said they were interested in a WUSSE watch. The names appear in the order that people claimed their interest. For example, in vnf68's case, you were the 28th person to say they wanted a WUSSE, so your RANK number is 28.

For voting purposes we only use RANK numbers. Why? Because it allows us to assign a vote with every individual person involved. It also allows us to assign priority for other items such as choosing watch numbers. You should consider the RANK list to be the same as a line-up at the supermarket. The first person in line is served, then the next, and so on.

The second list is the WATCH list. This is a list of requested Special Edition watch numbers that were allocated in order of the RANK list. For example, the first person in line asked for watch #1, the second person requested #53, and so on. The reason you DON'T vote with your watch number is that so far only 55 numbers have been assigned and there are more people than that voting. Your watch number is of no importance during the design process. We will only worry about watch numbers when the time comes to place an order with Steinhart. :-!

I'm sorry to bore everyone with this, however, there are still people voting with their watch numbers. I understand that this can be a bit confusing. I also appreciate that not everyone here speaks English, so I can see why this is happening. I would ask that if anyone is unclear or has any questions regarding the design process, please post your question using the General Information thread.

Thanks again.

[vnf68]

:oops: Sorry, I am understanding. My # 28

[CzechMate]

Hello everyone, I am back online and I am very glad to see that some of you have really strong interest in our (and here I mean our WUS members) project. I would like to remind everyone, who does not participate in our polls, that we will not consider it as an obstructive behaviour, but we will take decision in our hands, if neccessary, so do not complain, if you are not happy with the output of this project. ;-)
Please vote if you can, this project will not be finished in few days, so it really needs your attention till the final poll. I personally hope that everyone understands that this will be long run before we see the result. If not, I believe Uwe, me, Triton and deivid are able to create something special here, but will this have the same value for you, if you did not participate? So please stay involved, the result will be part of yourself, your attitude, your soul... And it is fun! In my country, we have saying:
If you need on hour of happines, get drunk, if you want three days of happines, get married, if you want lifetime happiness, become a fisher. I would say, if you want lifetime happines, participate in this project and create something special for yourself... :-!
:thanks
I hope we can find a way to save some time we lost on these initial difficulties. I also hope that despite the long time it will require to design this special watch, there will always be enough people interested and willing to participate.

I would like to express my gratitude to Uwe for his outstanding job handling these threads and polls.|>|>|>


Cyber and Mark, you are both 100% correct and clearly have a firm grasp of the process. I'm quite astonished by Cyber's proficiency at tracking the data from this vote, and as Mark mentioned, any repeated B or E vote has no effect on the base result as that vote has already been registered against the voters name.

We won't be extending this vote. The plan was to complete the design process before the New Year, but with the delays in setting everything up, getting official Forum approval and having a second vote on the watch case, we're already behind. Come what may, the case will be decided upon today. Late this evening the next design thread will also be posted. We need to continue pushing forward as there are far tougher decisions to make still ahead.

Personally, I do find the amount of absentee members a disappointment. As CzechMate stated, everyone has a right to purchase a WUSSE watch, even if they don't participate in its design. However, I am surprised that so many people who claimed an interest in this project wouldn't bother themselves to be a part of it. I suspect that once the watch begins to take form, more and more people will come out of the woodwork and want a piece of the action. For those of you who have been active from the start, at least you will have the satisfaction of knowing you were there every step of the way. :-!

[Uwe W.]

We hope to post the results of the case vote by the end of today; you will find it here and in the General Information thread.

[Uwe W.]

Results of the case vote:

Nav.B-Uhr II - 24 votes (51%)
Triton Fixed - 23 votes (49%)
Total Votes - 47 (60% of RANK List)

Since neither case formed a majority, the decision was given to the Triton, non-diver case. Please see this post (http://forums.watchuseek.com/showpost.php?p=2389361&postcount=2) for more information regarding this decision.

The WUSSE Case:

http://www.vorg.com/watches/WUSSE_case-poll3.jpg

[simonjr]

Hi Uwe,

First of all, let me thank you and the WUSSE team for sacrificing your personal time in managing this project. It is a thankless job and something of this magnitude is never easy. The only common thing we all have is probably our interest in time-pieces, other than that, we are different people of different cultures spanning the globe. Once again, I thank you.

Just a small suggestion. To maintain transparency, maybe the team would also like to include a list of the members that voted and their choices when announcing the results. This I feel will help eradicate any feelings of discontent as it can then be clearly seen how the voting went and by applying the voting rules, how the final decision was made in each phase.

I would like to finally say that although I voted for the Nav B Uhr, I am more than happy to accept the results. Well done guys and let's hope the project can proceed without further hiccups.

[Uwe W.]

Thanks Simon,

At the moment there are 78 names on the list, and I'm sure it will double before too long. The voting is being tracked with a spreadsheet using functions to track totals and vote results. If I can figure out an easy way to port that information into this text box, I'll do it. However, there's no way I'm spending an evening typing this out manually, especially since 99% of the votes are already visible in the voting thread.

Give me some time and I'll see what I can do.

[whitecopper]

I too own a 47mm Nav B Vintage and a Triton BLK so I'd like to see the Aviation in a larger case size (44mm) with the crown @ 3:00 w/24mm Lugs. The Ocean I'd want in 44mm, 22mm lugs - crown @ 3:00...

Cheers