WUSSE - Theme Discussion

[Uwe W.]

Since we’re all waiting for the next design thread – which will be the first involving the dial – I thought we could take some time to revisit the subject of themes.

There was brief discussion in previous threads that touched on the idea of a theme for this watch. Now that we’ve got the basic nuts and bolts of the WUSSE watch together it is time to get really creative.

Should the WUSSE watch have a theme that will tie all of its elements together? Should it have a name? Or maybe we should work to recreate a historic design; just look at how popular the B-Uhr design is and how many different companies have interpretations of it.

CzechMate and I were recently discussing the idea of a space themed watch, perhaps something to commemorate this year being the 40th anniversary of the moon landing. We had thought about using the image of a footprint on the moon as an engraving on the case back. Maybe the watch could be called the LM-5 or Eagle (names of the lunar module that actually landed on the moon). Does this idea interest anyone else?

http://www.vorg.com/watches/Apollo.jpg http://www.vorg.com/watches/Accutron%20Astronaut%20LE.jpg

I have been thinking of a few other ideas as well. Someone had suggested a Red Baron watch, which I thought was a great idea, but then I thought it could be toned down a little and make it a Red 12 watch that recreates a WW1 design. For those not familiar with Red 12 dials, they were popular military variants in the First World War. The watch name could take on something from the Red Baron and the engraving could have something interesting like his squadron or plane number?

http://www.vorg.com/watches/Eigentum%20der%20Fliegertruppen%20-2.jpg http://www.vorg.com/watches/Red12-1.jpg


I’ve also always been partial to underrepresented dials used in WW2. A sextant dial has reversed numbers so that they can be read with a mirror, like you would while using a sextant during navigation. I can only think of two watches on the market that use this dial; I own one, but the other is far too small (38 mm) for me.

http://www.vorg.com/watches/Observer.jpg

Another idea I’ve been kicking around is to use the dial face from a vintage dive watch such as the California dial. This dial has been used a little more often, but nothing that comes close to how it would look in the Triton ND case. Typically this dial is found in a Rolex/Panerai case.

http://www.vorg.com/watches/Kampfschwimmer%20Rolex%20California%20dial.JPG


What about other pilot themed designs? There is the classic flieger dial from Hanhart; although it’s a chronograph, we could lose the sub-dials and come up with something quite original.

http://www.vorg.com/watches/Hanhart%20KM%20pocketwatch%20dial.JPG

Or better yet, I have a 1940s cockpit clock that I always thought would make an interesting dial for a watch.

http://www.vorg.com/watches/Kienzle%20Borduhr%20dial.JPG

Well, enough from me. What does everyone else think?

[Icestorm]

I like the Accutron example there, although some of the other designs (especially the military watches) may not fit the aethestics of the Triton case.


A 'dressy diver' is a very good possibility for this watch as well. A navy blue dial with silvered Roman Numerals. :-!

[rukrem]

Is it possible to utilize Tritium/ Phosphor lumed markers. I am sick of not being able to see my watch in the night time due to lack-laster lume :) Wouldn't it be cool do do a Red-12 them with a red Tritium 12 . . .

In addition to hour markers -since this is a GMT watch -I would also like to see 24 hour markings somehow incorporated into the theme. Different colored GMT markings (like the red markings on the Hanart example above) would be a nice contrast.

[Uwe W.]

Is it possible to utilize Tritium/ Phosphor lumed markers. I am sick of not being able to see my watch in the night time due to lack-laster lume :) Thoughts? Additionally, wouldn't it be cool do do a Red-12 them with a red Tritium 12 . . .

Although Triton will have the goods on this feature, I would imagine Tritium tubes would be prohibitively expensive for the WUSSE watch. I have a few (modern) watches that don't have any lume at all... they would probably drive you insane! :-d

But what about the idea of a theme for the project? I agree with Icestorm that the dials I presented would, as they are, not work for the Triton ND case. I guess I was trying to present the idea of using a theme based on those dials.

[rukrem]

I was under the impression the Tritium (in paint form) was mixed with Phosphor (same material used in standard lume paint) and that the Tritium powered the Phosphor (which actually emits the 'glow'). Anyway -local watchmakers can order new tritium paint so, hopefully, this is not as cost-prohibitive as it seems.

As far as a theme - an lunar/ space themed watch seems really cool. But I also like the idea of incorporating a Red12. In addition to the above design elements i mentioned.

What about a NATURE THEMED watch. Maybe incorporating some sort of treated wood into the design?
Maybe a wood veneer over the dial?

[danilo]

One of my favorite 2893 watches, but of course ours will have a date, as voted

http://forums.watchuseek.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=232369&stc=1&d=1258339247


What about something like this with a red 12? I think it would be beautifully versatile - works well in casual or a suit... I think a GMT watch executed in this way is about as good as it gets between form and functional balance

[Icestorm]

What about a NATURE THEMED watch. Maybe incorporating some sort of treated wood into the design?

Might be abit expensive to get that level of customization.

Tritium should not be that expensive, it will be in all the new Triton Divers won't it?

[rukrem]

If a wood veneer is too expensive what about some sort of metal finish to the dial.

A brushed antiqued copper dial would look very unique inside a stainless steel case.

Another idea -An automotive themed design.
- Thick Rubber Strap (with tire tread).
- Make the dial look the a speedometer or a tachometer.
- Maybe utilize BRUSHED aluminum METAL FACE that is ENGRAVED/ stamped versus painted on.

[rukrem]

Just some food for thought.

http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww269/rukrem_legend/FW2EV9SWOWEXCFELAEMEDIUM.jpg

http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww269/rukrem_legend/omega-jb-qos2.jpg

http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww269/rukrem_legend/GO-inverse_16BLOG.jpg

[markrlondon]

A space flight theme appeals to me also.

Instead of a Moon landing theme (which has been done a lot this year in various contexts) why don't we do something that no one else has done (yet): A Space Shuttle theme.

This watch will be ready in 2010 and the Space Shuttle is retiring in 2010. We could have a watch intended to commemorate the 33 year test and operational career of the Space Shuttle.

If we're looking for a name for the watch we could call it 'Enterprise', in honour of the very first Space Shuttle, designation OV-101, that was used for atmospheric flight tests. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Enterprise. (Those who of us who are old enough may remember that the Space Shuttle OV-101 Enterprise was named after the Enterprise from Star Trek. However, I am not suggesting a Star Trek-themed watch).

As for design, the Accutron in http://forums.watchuseek.com/showpost.php?p=2426480&postcount=1 (http://forums.watchuseek.com/showpost.php?p=2426480&postcount=1) and the Stowa in http://forums.watchuseek.com/showpost.php?p=2426792&postcount=6 (http://forums.watchuseek.com/showpost.php?p=2426792&postcount=6) both appeal to me. Combine elements of these with some kind of Space Shuttle concepts, and we might have a winner.

The Space Shuttle's colours are white and black, so we could incorporate that colour scheme. In latter years the orange-painted external fuel tank has also become well known. Also the Shuttle is famous for its ceramic heat-dissipating tiles, so some kind of ceramic feature on the watch might be suitable, if feasible/affordable.

And this mission patch might give us some inspiration: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/Enterprise_Logo.gif. I do not mean that we should copy it but it might be used to inspire us.

[Snake Pliskin]

I like most of your ideas Uwe, minus the sextant :rodekaart :-d.

In fact, I like all your other ideas including the 40'th anniversary of the moon landing (if we are going to have a theme, that is a great idea, including the footprint on the back with the date of the landing).


What about a completely eclectic design!

40'th anniversary of the moon landing theme (going wth modern high tech looking colors; black, silver, (maybe a sandwhich dial) with a carbon fibre or brushed aluminum dial.

Using a California dial, but with a red 12!

It might sound a little out there, but just thinking of a way to incorporate several good ideas into something that can work together :think:.

Any thoughts?...

Possibly cool or should I just :-x ?

-Snake

[rukrem]

Personally, I am not a fan of the current shuttle. Too me it represents something old and outdated . . . I think it should have been retired long-ago. But when you said the Orange Fuel tank, that got me thinking of the boosters . . . rocket themed watch?

[markrlondon]

rocket themed watch?

If Space Shuttle isn't to everyone's taste, how about the next generation of rockets: the Constellation project, including the Aries launch vehicles, the (sadly rather retro imo) Orion crew capsule, and the Altair lunar lander? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Constellation which has links to the various vehicles.

I rather like this logo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NASA-Ares-logo.svg

I think it should have been retired long-ago.

I too think the Shuttle should have been replaced by now with a newer technology re-usable winged vehicle (as was the original plan, as I understand it) but that's no reason not to celebrate the long career of the Shuttle. Despite having a 33% airframe loss rate I think it's been a successful programme overall and it's worth commemorating.

[Uwe W.]

Personally, I am not a fan of the current shuttle. Too me it represents something old and outdated . . . I think it should have been retired long-ago. But when you said the Orange Fuel tank, that got me thinking of the boosters . . . rocket themed watch?

Did you say rocket theme? :-!

Well... I believe Werner von Braun wore a sextant watch similar to this one. And please, I know it's a cheap watch but I still like it... ;-)

[harrchen]

Hrm ... I like the mirrored numbers and distinguished 12 (or maybe 24?) marker. The Côtes de Genève finish on the face of that Glashutte was also quite exquisite, though I don't think it'd go well with the thick bezel case.

Edit: also wanted to add, I *really* like the look of that Accutron up there. Almost enough that I'd think about getting one - but I'm trying to not repeat brands in my collection for now. :) Can someone tell me which model Accutron that is?

[vnf68]

For thought:think:
If we will choose a space theme that I think that combination white, black and blue colors is a good variant.

[vnf68]

Accutron Astronaut|> as idea.

[CmdrBond]

Another space themed idea - 2010 will be 40th Anniversary of what is IMHO NASA's finest hour - the safe return of Apollo 13:-!

I have not really thought about how it could be celebrated or incorporated into the watch, but the mission patch is a very nice design

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/338745main_13-lg.jpg

[littlenick]

to be honest I don't really like this idea of giving the watch such a specific theme - I'm just a regular guy with no connections to space exploration or that type of thing so wearing a watch that commemorates 40 years of NASA or Apollo 13 or whatever seems rather inappropriate to me.
The design itself is really nice - like the Accutron - but I would very much stay away from making it a memorabilia of any kind, so no wings or eagles or rockets :rodekaart

I really like the idea of brushed metal (steel, aluminium, copper) for the dial and then be quite generous with illuminated features - the original Triton already has something with different colours, that approach could be taken a few steps further.

[the_old_curmudgeon]

I keep thinking that If I were really interested in a space-themed watch I would probably already own an Omega Speedmaster moon watch. I'm sure there will be other similar theme watches out by mid-April 2011.

It's an honorable notion, but it just has no appeal to me.

[H.Solo]

I love the idea of a space theme for the watch... :-! And I like the Accutron that is posted above.

I posted earlier some design ideas for this one... perhaps a silver/white fabric-kind-of-dial (like a spacesuit) equipped with black luminous material could look rather unique. :-) or maybe somthing made out of carbon fibre? :think:
Perhaps there could be a mission patch (or something like that) included on the dial to juice it up somewhat. :think:

The watch case should be brushed steel or even titanium to transport the space-theme even further...

This watchdesign would even work on a fabric- or velcro-strap, just as an alternative to a bracelet. b-)

[vnf68]

Possibly will we wait what the respected Triton will offer to us? In fact he is a design adviser .

[CzechMate]

Great idea!!! Space Shuttle :-!
Yes, moon landing is very popular nowadays and SpaceShuttle will definitely stand apart and shine!|>

As Uwe said, I prefer Space theme for this dial, also because this watch will incortporate GMT movement and everything in space needs to be measured with GMT or 24h dial, otherwise you cannot say what part of the day it is.

Also SpaceShuttle is related to flying, for those who were in favor of Flieger Uhr. ;-)

I hope we will make this Space themed and the SpaceShuttle theme is VERY appealing! :-p


A space flight theme appeals to me also.

Instead of a Moon landing theme (which has been done a lot this year in various contexts) why don't we do something that no one else has done (yet): A Space Shuttle theme.

This watch will be ready in 2010 and the Space Shuttle is retiring in 2010. We could have a watch intended to commemorate the 33 year test and operational career of the Space Shuttle.

If we're looking for a name for the watch we could call it 'Enterprise', in honour of the very first Space Shuttle, designation OV-101, that was used for atmospheric flight tests. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Enterprise. (Those who of us who are old enough may remember that the Space Shuttle OV-101 Enterprise was named after the Enterprise from Star Trek. However, I am not suggesting a Star Trek-themed watch).

As for design, the Accutron in http://forums.watchuseek.com/showpost.php?p=2426480&postcount=1 (http://forums.watchuseek.com/showpost.php?p=2426480&postcount=1) and the Stowa in http://forums.watchuseek.com/showpost.php?p=2426792&postcount=6 (http://forums.watchuseek.com/showpost.php?p=2426792&postcount=6) both appeal to me. Combine elements of these with some kind of Space Shuttle concepts, and we might have a winner.

The Space Shuttle's colours are white and black, so we could incorporate that colour scheme. In latter years the orange-painted external fuel tank has also become well known. Also the Shuttle is famous for its ceramic heat-dissipating tiles, so some kind of ceramic feature on the watch might be suitable, if feasible/affordable.

And this mission patch might give us some inspiration: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/Enterprise_Logo.gif. I do not mean that we should copy it but it might be used to inspire us.

[CzechMate]

Yes, in respect of design elements, Triton is the most experienced to tell us what is possible and what not and it will be discussed later in details.

Lets keep this discussion focused on the theme, not the dial elements...
:thanks


Possibly will we wait what the respected Triton will offer to us? In fact he is a design adviser .

[vnf68]

Great idea!!! Space Shuttle :-!
Yes, moon landing is very popular nowadays and SpaceShuttle will definitely stand apart and shine!|>

As Uwe said, I prefer Space theme for this dial, also because this watch will incortporate GMT movement and everything in space needs to be measured with GMT or 24h dial, otherwise you cannot say what part of the day it is.

Also SpaceShuttle is related to flying, for those who were in favor of Flieger Uhr. ;-)

I hope we will make this Space themed and the SpaceShuttle theme is VERY appealing! :-p
A space theme is an interesting theme.But why our project must be devoted something concrete (SpaseShuttle or moon landing)? Soviet cosmonauts brought in a not less contribution to mastering of space than American astronauts.I think that a space theme must be in the elements of design (combination of colors et cetera).

[cybertrancer]

Hi!

I also enjoy a space theme for the watch, but maybe with less emphasis on a commemorative detail. Something related to exploration, space travel, a constellation symbol maybe... focusing on the future is more appealing than on the past. :-)
The driving motor of the different space programs around the world is exploration... to go beyond a frontier.. to the unknown (and make it known!)...
Just some thoughts...

[littlenick]

I would enjoy a space theme very much - but as mentioned already without any specific reference to anything known in that area (be it the space shuttle, the Apollo missions, the Sputnik or Star Trek). Anyone interested in that may look at Omega or Poljot or any other manufacturer who already covered that ground.

To pick up Cybertrancers idea of a constellation - the Steinhart logo is rather round so it would make a good centerpiece acting as the sun we all orbit around b-)

[clucania]

Can't say that I'm crazy about the space theme. Space travel doesn't really speak to me and I'm not sure if it would make any sense on my wrist, honestly.

I do however like the 24 hour markings on the Stowa. And I think it would be great to see a textured dial if possible.

Sorry, that's all I have at the moment, but I'm going to give it some serious thought! I very much enjoy reading all the creative ideas here!:-!

[CzechMate]

A space theme is an interesting theme.But why our project must be devoted something concrete (SpaseShuttle or moon landing)? Soviet cosmonauts brought in a not less contribution to mastering of space than American astronauts.I think that a space theme must be in the elements of design (combination of colors et cetera).

I must say that I agree. To celebrate only US achievements would be unfair. It is hard for me to admit that, after 40 years of soviet occupation in my country...

Hi!

I also enjoy a space theme for the watch, but maybe with less emphasis on a commemorative detail. Something related to exploration, space travel, a constellation symbol maybe... focusing on the future is more appealing than on the past. :-)
The driving motor of the different space programs around the world is exploration... to go beyond a frontier.. to the unknown (and make it known!)...
Just some thoughts...

I remember when I thought about this Space Theme few weeks earlier, Arthur C. Clark and his Space Odyssey crossed my mind. I remember that book was very well writen and very inspiring...

I would enjoy a space theme very much - but as mentioned already without any specific reference to anything known in that area (be it the space shuttle, the Apollo missions, the Sputnik or Star Trek). Anyone interested in that may look at Omega or Poljot or any other manufacturer who already covered that ground.

To pick up Cybertrancers idea of a constellation - the Steinhart logo is rather round so it would make a good centerpiece acting as the sun we all orbit around b-)

That is a nice idea too... :-! Constellation, hmmm, sounds good, but isn't Omega producing Constellation watches already?

If we all later agree on Space theme (which I very much hope so, but it will of course be eventually subject of vote), then I hope we can find some universal and all-encompassing theme.

[littlenick]

That is a nice idea too... :-! Constellation, hmmm, sounds good, but isn't Omega producing Constellation watches already?



Omega has a model named constellation - I would be proposing that someone (probably Triton) will design a stellar constellation where the Steinhart logo will be in the center - which then may appear on the dial or the back of the watch.
Something else entirely ;-)

[teg33]

Ehmm, i am not so keen with Space themed.

[Uwe W.]

Another space themed idea - 2010 will be 40th Anniversary of what is IMHO NASA's finest hour - the safe return of Apollo 13:-!

I have not really thought about how it could be celebrated or incorporated into the watch, but the mission patch is a very nice design

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/338745main_13-lg.jpg

This would be a fun theme to explore, a lucky 13 watch? I'll bet no one has done such a piece. By extension it could be an international tribute watch to all the fallen astronauts over the years?

As for the mission patch, was does that latin phrase mean, "we missed it by that much"? :-d

[Uwe W.]

Just out of curiosity, those of you who voiced a disinterest in a themed watch, would one that was tastefully executed bother you? I guess what I'm asking is if the project embraces a theme, and providing it wasn't done in a garish manner, would it stop you from buying a WUSSE?:think:

[littlenick]

This would be a fun theme to explore, a lucky 13 watch? I'll bet no one has done such a piece. By extension it could be an international tribute watch to all the fallen astronauts over the years?

As for the mission patch, was does that latin phrase mean, "we missed it by that much"? :-d

it seems Uwe has fallen for space ...
Before you get carried away, can I just say that any tribute of that kind will probably put quite a few people off - some will find the idea of any space theme not very interesting (a few have raised that already), others (and I will be one of those) may like the space idea as such but really would leave the job of creating a tribute i.e. to Apollo 13 to NASA. Quite frankly - I would find it quite presumptuous to dedicate this watch to any astronaut alive or dead.
To reiterate Cybertrancers point - I think we should look more for something like the idea of exploration, to go beyond a frontier or into the unknown in the context of space.
And then let someone with superior design skills translate that into a timeless piece of watchmaking :-d

[vnf68]

I must say that I agree. To celebrate only US achievements would be unfair. It is hard for me to admit that, after 40 years of soviet occupation in my country...

I understand you.But you must remember that 139.918 soviet warriors perished at the release of Czechoslovakia from fascist invaders.I think that this forum is not place where it is necessary to discuss it.We discuss a watches (not errors of political figures).:thanks

[Uwe W.]

I think that this forum is not place where it is necessary to discuss it.We discuss a watches (not errors of political figures).:thanks

I agree, it is much more fun to discuss the errors of forum figures! :-d

Littlenick,

I'm actually not committed to anything; I think this is more of a spitballing session and a chance to throw some ideas around. Theme, or no theme, it doesn't really matter to me. However, I did raise the idea in case there is a consensus here that a theme should be pursued. If that were the case then we would need to think a little about it before we enter the dial design phase.:think:

[littlenick]

I agree, it is much more fun to discuss the errors of forum figures! :-d

Littlenick,

I'm actually not committed to anything; I think this is more of a spitballing session and a chance to throw some ideas around. Theme, or no theme, it doesn't really matter to me. However, I did raise the idea in case there is a consensus here that a theme should be pursued. If that were the case then we would need to think a little about it before we enter the dial design phase.:think:

I'm fine with that - and I suppose thats exactly whats happening here right now - throwing in ideas and see how far they will work. And so far we've seen some excellent input |>

[rukrem]

More on the nature theme . . . what about having the 12,3,6,9 positions representative one of the 4 elements (earth, wind, fire, water). They can be represented by different colors -brown, clear, red, blue for example. Perhaps the earth engraved on the back. Additonally, Utilize some rough finished metal for the face and incorporate either a tritium or light source similar to the Luminox tube design -encased in a bezel around the perimeter of the watch.

I am thinking -since this a new, modern case design -why not incorporate some of the latest technology/ manufacturing processes to make something that is truly unique. Although, some technologies might be expensive -we might be surprised to find that the costs are not necessarily prohibitive in this instance.

What about a translucent face that allows you to see into the watch but is still opaque to incorporate a design on the face?

[CzechMate]

I understand you.But you must remember that 139.918 soviet warriors perished at the release of Czechoslovakia from fascist invaders.I think that this forum is not place where it is necessary to discuss it.We discuss a watches (not errors of political figures).:thanks

I was not discussing it, I was merely explaining my distaste to anything related to soviet union.

And yes, you are right, soviets have forced german army out of my country only for the reason to stay here for half the century and destroy culture, confidence and resources of one small nation.
And I believe, that if it was not for Munchen betrayal from french and british government, Germans would have had probably very hard time defeating czech army, that was superior at the time of invasion and we had most advanced border fortresses, much much better, than Maginot line in France.

Now I am discussing it.;-)

Back to the watch theme: I think we do not necessarily need any theme. It would be nice to have one, but if it means loosing people from this project, then lets not have it. On the other hand, if we choose solid case back, it would be nice to have something engraved there and thats the best spot for theme...
I for example was not a big fan of pilot watches. But eventually this theme grew on me and I later bought LGE and now I love it! So when someone does not like the space theme now, he could like it later... :-!
So please everyone think about it and give us your ideas. The more ideas the better!

[vnf68]

I was not discussing it, I was merely explaining my distaste to anything related to soviet union.

And yes, you are right, soviets have forced german army out of my country only for the reason to stay here for half the century and destroy culture, confidence and resources of one small nation.

Давайте не будем на страницах этого форума вести дискуссии о роли Советской Армии,ее простых солдат в освобождении Вашей страны.Я живу в Украине в городе Харьков.У нас есть улица ,названная в честь Отакара Яроша,офицера подразделения чешской армии,участвовавшего вместе с Красной Армией в боях за мой город,жители которого с благодарностью вспоминают чешских воинов.Может Вы хотите сказать,что дед моего друга,простой советский солдат,который участвовал в оказании помощи жителям Праги,которые подняли восстание против нацистских захватчиков в мае 1945 года, хотел уничтожить культуру и ресурсы Вашего народа,как Вы написали? Я думаю,что он просто выполнял свой солдатский долг,помогая простым чешским людям.Так что не надо тут высказывать обиды в адрес Советского Союза.Брежнев и коммунистическая верхушка-это не весь Советский Союз.:thanks

[vnf68]

Where is our dear Triton?
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showpost.php?p=2350433&postcount=108

[Snake Pliskin]

After reading all the comments it may be best to forego a themed watch.
I personally can take or leave a themed watch (it would not stop me from buying it). But seeing how it is being met adversely by at least a few members , it may be best to focus our time & energy into the watch aesthetics. :-!

On the same note, if we went with a theme watch, I think we would be pigeon holed in trying to design a watch that would represent the theme.
This will limit our overall creative options. <| We are ultimately going to be wearing a watch, not a theme. |>

I suggest we move forward to the dial material and layout.

Just my $ .02

-Snake

[CzechMate]

Давайте не будем на страницах этого форума вести дискуссии о роли Советской Армии,ее простых солдат в освобождении Вашей страны.Я живу в Украине в городе Харьков.У нас есть улица ,названная в честь Отакара Яроша,офицера подразделения чешской армии,участвовавшего вместе с Красной Армией в боях за мой город,жители которого с благодарностью вспоминают чешских воинов.Может Вы хотите сказать,что дед моего друга,простой советский солдат,который участвовал в оказании помощи жителям Праги,которые подняли восстание против нацистских захватчиков в мае 1945 года, хотел уничтожить культуру и ресурсы Вашего народа,как Вы написали? Я думаю,что он просто выполнял свой солдатский долг,помогая простым чешским людям.Так что не надо тут высказывать обиды в адрес Советского Союза.Брежнев и коммунистическая верхушка-это не весь Советский Союз.:thanks

Lets not mistake personal bravery of ordinary soldiers with parasiticaly machiavelistic policy of soviet gevernment... ;-)

[CzechMate]

As I said, if theme looses people, lets forget it...
And you are partially right - theme could restrict our creativity, which might be bad, but also good, depends on how you look at it... ;-)

After reading all the comments it may be best to forego a themed watch.
I personally can take or leave a themed watch (it would not stop me from buying it). But seeing how it is being met adversely by at least a few members , it may be best to focus our time & energy into the watch aesthetics. :-!

On the same note, if we went with a theme watch, I think we would be pigeon holed in trying to design a watch that would represent the theme.
This will limit our overall creative options. <| We are ultimately going to be wearing a watch, not a theme. |>

I suggest we move forward to the dial material and layout.

Just my $ .02

-Snake

[vnf68]

Lets not mistake personal bravery of ordinary soldiers with parasiticaly machiavelistic policy of soviet gevernment... ;-)You said:" I was merely explaining my distaste to anything related to soviet union"
Lets not mistake Soviet Union with parasiticaly machiavelistic policy of soviet gevernment... ;-)
Let us make off this senseless theme in this forum:-x

[the_old_curmudgeon]

Lets not mistake personal bravery of ordinary soldiers with parasiticaly machiavelistic policy of soviet gevernment... ;-)

:rodekaart


Maybe the 2 of you should get a room. :-)

:thanks

[CzechMate]

:rodekaart


Maybe the 2 of you should get a room. :-)

:thanks

Sorry, I was carried away by this political topic... o|

[CzechMate]

You said:" I was merely explaining my distaste to anything related to soviet union"
Lets not mistake Soviet Union with parasiticaly machiavelistic policy of soviet gevernment... ;-)
Let us make off this senseless theme in this forum:-x

I guess you are right... ;-)
Enough about this... :-!

[Uwe W.]

There is a fine line between a beautifully executed design and a circus act. In my mind a themed watch would be understated, it's link not necessarily obvious to the uninitiated. The B-Uhrs and divers sold by Steinhart are types of theme watches in my mind. The B-Uhr dial is clean and elegant, while the back on some have an engraving of a pilot's head. That was more of what I had in mind with the term 'theme'. I certainly never implied, nor would I want, a timepiece that looks like a Mickey Mouse watch.

I think a well executed theme shouldn't bother anyone in the WUSSE project. :think:

[rukrem]

What about a watch made out of candy.
M&M hour markers; Twizzler hands; lollipop casing and a chocolate strap.

OR

a scratch and sniff variant?

[Uwe W.]

What about a watch made out of candy.
M&M hour markers; Twizzler hands; lollipop casing and a chocolate strap.
OR a scratch and sniff variant?

Okay, now you're talking. That was secretly what I was hoping for but didn't have the guts to mention. Anyone else have a sweet tooth? :roll:

Not that I would want to copy anything done by the other forums, but we might want to look at how the other projects have worked out, which by the way all included themes, I think...

The Spanish forum watches were a white dialed flieger and a diver variant. The Germans came up with a tweaking of the Aviation design. And those wonderful Czechs revitalised another military dial face from WW2.

Not that we should be under any pressure, but don't we want to top those lame efforts? :-d

[Triton]

Where is our dear Triton?
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showpost.php?p=2350433&postcount=108

Don't worry, I'm here b-) just busy with other watches at the moment ;-)

As for themes, how about sci-fi? :think: f.e. a Bladerunner watch :-!

[harrchen]

What about a watch made out of candy.
M&M hour markers; Twizzler hands; lollipop casing and a chocolate strap.

OR

a scratch and sniff variant?

Sounds tasty. NOM NOM NOM. Oops there goes my couple-hundred-dollar watch!

[harrchen]

If we end up going toward a specific theme, I'd really advocate for a something that synergizes with our choice of movement. Something that I've seen that I kind of like is a globe on the dial of a GMT watch, which I guess is a "travel" theme. As I said earlier, I also really like what they did on that Accutron with the 24 hour bezel divided into night and day. On that watch I do not feel there's a space theme at all, but the synergistic execution of the bezel with the movement is just outstanding.

[NeoTiger]

A specific theme is probably not the best idea, or even if we choose one, it should be very subtle.

The key theme of this watch should be "WUS Special Edition", and WUS does not represent any of those themes mentioned.

[rukrem]

A specific theme is probably not the best idea, or even if we choose one, it should be very subtle.

The key theme of this watch should be "WUS Special Edition", and WUS does not represent any of those themes mentioned.

Could you offer your idea of what the WUS represents?
The idea you are proposing says nothing about the design elements you would like to see incorporated.

Personally, I think people need to be less critical at this stage and more creative.

[Riker]

The one thing that fills my thoughts at the moment is that the watch doesn't resemble something you could buy on the Universal Studio's tour or the NASA tour in Florida. Know what I mean...? It is a good opportunity to have a great looking watch that has a classy feel, look & presence about it.

A space theme is OK, but I agree that it should be understated. Same can be said if it had a nautical theme. Not diver, but nautical. Being understated & refined is the best chance this watch has to exude a confident & classy feel IMO..... Some food for thought....:think:....:-!

[teg33]

So when someone does not like the space theme now, he could like it later... :-!
So please everyone think about it and give us your ideas. The more ideas the better!
You right, i am not into space theme now but who knows i might change my mind ;-)

[teg33]

Don't worry, I'm here b-) just busy with other watches at the moment ;-)

As for themes, how about sci-fi? :think: f.e. a Bladerunner watch :-!
Sci-fi seems cool. Any picture of it ?

[Uwe W.]

As for themes, how about sci-fi? :think: f.e. a Bladerunner watch :-!

Well, that works for me too. To pick a theme based on an iconic film would be an intriguing idea.

Of course Hamilton's "Men in Black" watch, which was based on their Ventura, was a theme watch based on a film.

Hmmm. What about a Lawrence of Arabia watch? An off-white/creme dial (for sand), Red 12 (for WW1) and stylish engraved 24 hour numbers on the bezel in a period font?

Again, just tossing ideas around...

[cavallino33]

I like the idea of a WW1 style red 12 watch a lot. :-!

[markrlondon]

After reading all the comments it may be best to forego a themed watch.
I personally can take or leave a themed watch (it would not stop me from buying it). But seeing how it is being met adversely by at least a few members , it may be best to focus our time & energy into the watch aesthetics. :-!

On the same note, if we went with a theme watch, I think we would be pigeon holed in trying to design a watch that would represent the theme.
This will limit our overall creative options. <| We are ultimately going to be wearing a watch, not a theme. |>

I suggest we move forward to the dial material and layout.

Just my $ .02

-Snake

I'm beginning to think you may be right. No theme at all (or a very general theme) might well be the best way to proceed.

I still love the designs of both the Accutron and Stowa that were mentioned before.

See http://forums.watchuseek.com/showpost.php?p=2426480&postcount=1 and http://forums.watchuseek.com/showpost.php?p=2426480&postcount=6 for pics.

[cybertrancer]

Hi!

Another suggestion i make, as far as theme is concerned is... time :think: . Why not make a tribute to time in itself? We could use the ancient Greek mythology, for example :

"KHRONOS (or Chronus) was the Protogenos (primeval god) of time, a divinity who emerged self-formed at the beginning of creation in the Orphic cosmogonies. Khronos was imagined as an incorporeal god, serpentine in form, with three heads--that of a man, a bull, and a lion."

There e also a less benign one:

"KRONOS (or Cronus) was the Titan god of time and the ages, especially time where regarded as destructive and all-devouring."

In roman mythology, Kronos was represented as Saturn (mixing time and space ;-) )

Maybe mythology is not so appealing for some, but it's another idea. b-)

[Snake Pliskin]

I also am a big fan of the Red 12 dial as well as the Accutron.

I feel we should be discussing dial characteristics that we all like and appreciate and conceive a way to incorporate them into an eclectic design we all can enjoy. :-!

If the final design characteristics lend themself to a particular theme that the majority agree with, we then can call the watch whatever we want and add whatever design/insignia on the caseback.

Seriously, what's more important, giving this watch a theme or designing the aesthetics of this watch with total creative freedom and not having to try to work within certain restricting parameters!

I'm sorry if this post reads as being redundit, but the more I think about it the clearer it becomes to me.

Suggestion; many seem to like both the Red 12 dial as well as the Accutron.
If we were to combine the modern hands and colors of the Accutron with the classic, bold and easy to read numbers on the Red 12 with the modern yet classic Triton case, we will have a very cool, unique and eclectic watch. :-!

At that point I don't care if we call it a Bladerunner, an Enterprise, or the Godfather 4.

Theme is SO secondary to the actual design and should not dictate it! o|

Sorry if this seems aggresively direct, but o| seriously...

-Snake

[markrlondon]

Suggestion; many seem to like both the Red 12 dial as well as the Accutron.
If we were to combine the modern hands and colors of the Accutron with the classic, bold and easy to read numbers on the Red 12 with the modern yet classic Triton case, we will have a very cool, unique and eclectic watch. :-!


That sounds like a promising combination.

[CzechMate]

Hi!

Another suggestion i make, as far as theme is concerned is... time :think: . Why not make a tribute to time in itself? We could use the ancient Greek mythology, for example :



That is very good idea. Watch dedicated to the theme of TIME. Is there any more obvious theme for the watch? I dont think so... :-! Seriously.

[CzechMate]

Don't worry, I'm here b-) just busy with other watches at the moment ;-)

As for themes, how about sci-fi? :think: f.e. a Bladerunner watch :-!


Speaking of a sci-fi theme... We could find a lot of inspiration in Jules Verne contribution to the sci-fi. And I think when we think of sci-fi, he is the biggest of the biggest authors of sci-fi. Followed by A.C. Clark and Jára Cimrman...;-)

[BenG]

As I first indicated some time ago in the old thread, space is a great theme. But, being fan of Jules Verne, this seems like a great idea !

The Nautilus would be a great choice. We could have the dial ressemble the opening hatch of the submarine with some vintage copper lettering... I like that a lot.

Ben

[H.Solo]

What about a translucent face that allows you to see into the watch but is still opaque to incorporate a design on the face?

Wow, that sounds very interesting... :-p

Could be incorprated with a rather technical futuristic design of the watch... something like a "Ghost in the shell" theme? :think:

I always like to see the movement at work but I hate those skeleton dials, were you can hardly tell what time it is... :-x

[Uwe W.]

Theme is SO secondary to the actual design and should not dictate it! o| Sorry if this seems aggresively direct, but o| seriously... -Snake

There's no need to bang your head against the wall Snake. I think some would suggest that this is a chicken or egg argument. Theme is critical to a design if it is deemed that a theme should be incorporated.

The purpose of this thread was two-fold:
1. Is there an interest in working the design toward a unified theme?
2. If there is an interest, what would the theme be?

From what I've been reading so far, some are interested in a theme (and have been actively making suggestions), some are opposed to having any kind of a theme, and a few are indifferent. Mostly we're just having some fun tossing ideas around; after straight-forward discussions on the case and movement it's nice to have a little elbow room for our imaginations to run wild.

For those opposed to a theme, I think their biggest fear is that the watch would become a garish collection of tacky ideas. I'm sure there is any chance of that happening. Don't forget that the B-Uhrs by Steinhart are a theme, as are others such as the Triton. And just like those watches, a WUSSE theme would be constrained and understated. Don't let this thread put you off. A theme is just a way to tie the individual design elements together.

[Uwe W.]

The Nautilus would be a great choice. We could have the dial ressemble the opening hatch of the submarine with some vintage copper lettering... I like that a lot. Ben

Hey, this is pretty good too.

One of the critical elements for a successful WUSSE design will be what we do with the large bezel on the Triton ND. Incorporating a machined detail, especially something like a stylized hatch would be interesting. Note I said stylized, not replicate.

[BenG]

Uwe,

just in case, I'll take some pictures of the details of the Nautilus in disneyland Paris.
I am going there for my son's birthday this week-end. This might come handy.

Best,

Ben

[H.Solo]

"Nautilus" sound interesting also... even if it's a Triton non-diver case ;-)

[vnf68]

"Nautilus" sound interesting also... even if it's a Triton non-diver case ;-)
"Nautilus" and "Non-diver" :-d

[JoHN-2]

Don't worry, I'm here b-) just busy with other watches at the moment ;-)

As for themes, how about sci-fi? :think: f.e. a Bladerunner watch :-!

It's nice to read you :-!

And I like the sci-fi theme a lot :-p. It would be a new concept of watch less used than flying/space.

[rukrem]

OK how about this . . . a watch themed after the [God of Light]. We can call it the HYPERION edition and incorporate elements in the watch that make it visible in all lighting conditions. Utilize a tritium lume or light-tube system (similar to Luminox). Maybe use a semi reflective face (I am thinking metal or a high contrast ratio face/ numeral) to make the dials easier to read in low light conditions. Maybe incorporate high contrast colors on the hands . . . maybe utilize a dark colored face and thick-bright colored numerals with fluorescent orange GMT hand and fluorescent green, blue or yellow hour/ minute hands.

"HYPERION" was the Titan god of light, one of the sons of Ouranos (Heaven) and Gaia (Earth), and the father of the lights of heaven.

[NeoTiger]

Triton "non-diver" case just means it doesn't have the diver bezel right... it should still be able to dive.

[Snake Pliskin]

That was very well put Uwe. The chicken or the egg is a perfect analogy|>. I am not opposed to a theme watch, I guess I am concerned that we might end up with a too specific theme that could (as you previously stated) wind up looking tacky or garish.

A more likely concern is that a specific theme, by its nature, will remove certain potential design elements that would otherwise be up for consideration.

I may be wrong, and we may possibly end up with a beautifully designed theme watch, however I see it as possibly being too much of a potentionally limiting factor.

But this is why we have these open discussions. I will keep an open mind and promise to stop beating my head against the wall :rodekaarto|.

Just wanted to express my concerns as clearly as I can.

Thanks for listening to my rant :-d.

-Snake

[SydneyDan]

I've read all these posts and of course, it gets you thinking---it's difficult to utilize a specific space theme without a certain country in mind, ie, NASA or in the case of Fortis, some of their special editions commemorating the Russian cosmonauts or the MIR space stn. In their case these are all special editions of existing models, so they are not one-off versions like ours.
I'm liking the idea of some sort of World timer watch, particularly since this is a 2893-2 we're dealing with in it's GMT form. Some of those models that perhaps (tastefully) have the major world cities around the dial---think JLC, or at a different price point, even Orient! As far as color themes go, not too much has been done with this type of beautiful "desert" theme like this B&R 123 vintage. It can have a beautiful vintage WW1 look about it. I don't think this color theme exists elsewhere in Gunter's stable--maybe a little like the Marine Timer, but more of a Khaki/cream rather than a yellowish one.
These are just ideas I'm tossing around here...

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g239/sydneydan/BRDes123.gif

[Riker]

Not a bad idea there SD....:-!

[vnf68]

When will we see some graphic reflection of our ideas?

[Triton]

When will we see some graphic reflection of our ideas?

In due time, patience please.

[Triton]

Oh, and just a quick FYI: This wil in the end still be a Steinhart watch and Steinhart only works with Tritec's Super LumiNova as luminous material, so anything but SL, like Tritium or tubes or whatever is not an option, sorry!

[vnf68]

In due time, patience please.
I look forward to

[JHM]

vnf68: why are you looking forward to banging your head :think:?

I like a clean and coherent design and I would prefer a non-theme watch myself. The problem with themes is, that not everybody may be able to identify or like the theme. a non-theme watch would give us more options on dial and hands design, IMHO.

all the best

Jan

[harrchen]

I've read all these posts and of course, it gets you thinking---it's difficult to utilize a specific space theme without a certain country in mind, ie, NASA or in the case of Fortis, some of their special editions commemorating the Russian cosmonauts or the MIR space stn. In their case these are all special editions of existing models, so they are not one-off versions like ours.
I'm liking the idea of some sort of World timer watch, particularly since this is a 2893-2 we're dealing with in it's GMT form. Some of those models that perhaps (tastefully) have the major world cities around the dial---think JLC, or at a different price point, even Orient! As far as color themes go, not too much has been done with this type of beautiful "desert" theme like this B&R 123 vintage. It can have a beautiful vintage WW1 look about it. I don't think this color theme exists elsewhere in Gunter's stable--maybe a little like the Marine Timer, but more of a Khaki/cream rather than a yellowish one.
These are just ideas I'm tossing around here...


I rather like the idea of the world timer with major cities. I've always wanted one of those, and the theme fits great with the movement. But usually with the cities we'd want a rotating bezel right?

[markrlondon]

I've had a couple of Orient World Timers with the rotating city bezel and it's really just a gimmick. It's not really that useful. It's further redundant if we've got a GMT hand.

[handwound]

Well the Steinhart logo is a stylized "S" with a crown above it, right? Why not replace the "S" with an image of a globe? I woulnd't want to be much more overt than that for printing on the dial, though.

The 24 hour markers can be engraved on the bezel, maybe even lumed?

I'm not much of a fan of the cities' names thing, personally.

[H.Solo]

Well the Steinhart logo is a stylized "S" with a crown above it, right? Why not replace the "S" with an image of a globe?

I don't think Gunter will like this idea very much...:think:

[vnf68]

I think that our project is trampled down in place

[handwound]

I don't think Gunter will like this idea very much...:think:

I wouldn't be certain of that. Several of the non-SE models Gunter sells don't have any logo/brand name on the dial at all.

[Riker]

Hmmm, interesting idea Trent, but I agree with Solo here. It is one thing to not have a visible logo (just as some other makers do to particular models in this genre), but to 'modify' a patented & copyrighted logo, I can't see Gunter allowing that to happen.

I could however be wrong......:-d

[Uwe W.]

Well, I think we've heard some interesting ideas and there is obviously many paths this project can take. Perhaps we should start to direct that energy a little and start getting a little more concrete on the subject of themes.

I'm wondering if we shouldn't decide on two things:

First - Should the WUSSE project follow a theme? Yes or No?

Second - If it does follow a theme, what would it be?

The first item will be easier to reach a conclusion than the second, but since not everyone sounds thrilled by this subject we should probably see what the majority would like to do.

So, should I start a vote thread for this? Or would everyone like to continue kicking ideas around for a while longer?

[BenG]

Hello Uwe,

I guess you should do a thread.
If a theme is chosen, it will be easier to decide on the shade of the dial...

Best,

Ben

[littlenick]

I agree that we should have a separate thread to make the decision if we want to go for a particular theme or want to leave it unthemed.
We have a huge amount of ideas by now so continuing to bring up even more doesn't help much because essentially nobody knows what to do with them, at this point it will just get confusing rather than helpful.
Something that would help me a lot would be to actually see what themed/unthemed could mean in reality - just a quick drawing (if that is possible at all) combining some of the ideas that were brought up here. I am aware that coming out with an actual design at this early stage may backfire because the discussion may continue only on that particular design rather than keeping it open - but I'm struggling to visualize certain elements of what has been discussed so far so seeing some examples would help me to make up my mind.

[Triton]

What would help is, if you posted pictures of existing watches, telling us what details you like about them. This won't mean, that we need to be copying anything at all, it would just help to visualize your ideas and others can then comment, if they agree or not. :think:

@littlenick: I think you are absolutely right regarding backfiring. Besides, even if I wanted to, I simply don't have the time to sketch out every single idea presented here. That's why the polls and discussions are made in such detail, to narrow down the cornerstones of the design as far as possible. :-!

[littlenick]

@littlenick: I think you are absolutely right regarding backfiring. Besides, even if I wanted to, I simply don't have the time to sketch out every single idea presented here. That's why the polls and discussions are made in such detail, to narrow down the cornerstones of the design as far as possible. :-!

thought so - and I'm aware that it would be quite an imposition on you asking to draw a large number of designs just so lazy people like me can make up their mind :think:
But I still believe we should come to a decision now on certain cornerstones of the design - theme or not and so forth ...

[clucania]

I still can't honestly come up with a theme, I guess I'm leaning towards not having a theme at all, rather just a well designed handsome watch.;-)

However there is a picture I have in my head of a watch I'd love to own.

- I'm thinking of a vintage cream textured dial.
- Blued Breguet hands.
- And polished steel roman numeral markings.

Maybe that's outlandish for this case or too dressy for everyone, but hey, it's my dream so lemme alone!!!:-d:-d:-d

Sorry I don't have any pictures to offer, can't say I've seen what I'm describing, otherwise I'd already own it.

[handwound]

Cream dial and blue Breguet style hands? Sounds like the Marine Chronometer to me.

My vote would be for no theme, FWIW.

[CzechMate]

I thought posting some recent projects where they IMHO created themed watch could be a good idea. I do not intend to steer anyone towards these themes, I just want to show what in my view is themed watch - understated, decent theme.
I hope owners of these pictures will not mind if I post them here, if yes, please let me know, I will withdraw them.

[TheMaestro]

Hello Uwe,

altough I was interested at first and am on the reserve list I was not around enough to take part in the process about the design.

I don't think its fair to other people that might be on the waiting list and who are really into the watch.

So hereby I let you know that you you can re-issue my number.

Thanks and sorry.

[CzechMate]

Although you were addressing Uwe, I would like to ask, do you leave the project completely? Or do you want to stay on the waiting list and you just give up your number?
Maybe dumb question, but you were not exactly clear IMHO... ;-)
BTW, why you lost your interest?

Hello Uwe,

altough I was interested at first and am on the reserve list I was not around enough to take part in the process about the design.

I don't think its fair to other people that might be on the waiting list and who are really into the watch.

So hereby I let you know that you you can re-issue my number.

Thanks and sorry.

[Uwe W.]

I don't think its fair to other people that might be on the waiting list and who are really into the watch. So hereby I let you know that you you can re-issue my number.

Hi Maestro,

I just want to remind everyone that you will all get a WUSSE watch if you pay for one. Those on the Reserve List are not waiting for a chance to buy a WUSSE, they just don't have a watch number reserved yet.

Since we don't know how large the production run will be yet, we stopped assigning watch numbers at 55 because that was our minimum for this project. When we have completed the design and have submitted it to Steinhart for final quoting, we will then determine the size of the production run, and issue the remaining watch numbers as is required.

Maestro, if you choose to stay on the list or not, you are not preventing anyone from getting a WUSSE. So if you would like to stay, you would be most welcome to. Please PM either myself or CzechMate... thanks for your not none the less. :-!

[markrlondon]

I thought posting some recent projects where they IMHO created themed watch could be a good idea. I do not intend to steer anyone towards these themes, I just want to show what in my view is themed watch - understated, decent theme.
I hope owners of these pictures will not mind if I post them here, if yes, please let me know, I will withdraw them.

CzechMate, thanks for posting those pics.

I really like the first and fourth pics you have there. I particularly like the font on the fourth one.

The blue and the black colour scheme is very appealing.

Would a red 12 clash too much with a mainly blue/black colour scheme?

And could a blue/black colour scheme be implemented with a lume dial, somehow?

[markrlondon]

So, should I start a vote thread for this? Or would everyone like to continue kicking ideas around for a while longer?

I think a vote thread for theme/non-theme will probably be needed but let's see how the dial shade vote goes first before you make any decisions on such a vote.

[CzechMate]

CzechMate, thanks for posting those pics.

I really like the first and fourth pics you have there. I particularly like the font on the fourth one.



Yep, Odisea is beautiful all together and the font is outstanding... :-!
The first picture you mention is Czech Chronomag GMT LE watch.

[Uwe W.]

Ladies and Gentlemen (are there even any ladies here?),

It's time that we put this idea of a theme to a vote. It will be a two part question. The first will ask you for a simple yes or no to the idea of the WUSSE watch ahereing to a understated, elegantly executed theme. No one wants a Mickey Mouse watch or one with zany elements; the idea is whether or not the seperate desing elements should form a cohesive unit that represents a specific idea or concept.

The second question will be to determine the popularity of the proposed themes so far. Don't panic. This vote won't determine a which theme just yet, but it will indicate which ideas have a solid backing and which can be discarded with immediately.

CzechMate has compiled a list of themes that have been proposed thus far:

A. Space (various space programs)
B. Time (Chronos)
C. Red 12 (WW1 era)
D. Nature
E. Sci-Fi (Nautilus)
F. Mythic Gods (Hyperion)
G. Films (several mentioned)
H. Navigation (sextant style)

We're going to give this thread a couple more days and allow anyone who would like to add a theme to this list to do so.

For this upcoming vote, if a 'no' vote pervails, then the idea of a theme will be dropped and we'll immediately concentrate on the dial shade thread.

If it's a 'yes' vote we'll keep the top three voted on themes and develop the ideas further so there is something more concrete to vote on. Once each theme is well represented with firm design ideas, we'll hold another vote to determine which theme of the three will be used.

:-sFOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T READ POSTS THOROUGHLY:-s:

DO NOT VOTE ON ANYTHING YET! :-d

[vnf68]

We do not discuss a project more than day.A project must walk ahead.If we all will be quiet long time many people can lose interest to the project.

[Snake Pliskin]

I think it is too difficult to vote on a theme or no theme.
I don't think anyone wants a theme watch just to have a theme watch.
If someone wants a theme watch it will be due to a specific theme that strikes a chord and speaks to you.

Voting for a theme watch will be completely contingent on the theme, at least for me.

My suggestion is that we first vote on a theme, and whatever theme wins out we then vote on that particular theme or vote to scrap the theme all together.

This is the only thing that makes sense to me. |>

-Snake :thanks

[SydneyDan]

I think it is too difficult to vote on a theme or no theme.
I don't think anyone wants a theme watch just to have a theme watch.
If someone wants a theme watch it will be due to a specific theme that strikes a chord and speaks to you.

Voting for a theme watch will be completely contingent on the theme, at least for me.

My suggestion is that we first vote on a theme, and whatever theme wins out we then vote on that particular theme or vote to scrap the theme all together.

This is the only thing that makes sense to me. |>

-Snake :thanks
That's exactly the difficulty---finding a theme that strikes a chord or speaks to everyone involved to enough of a degree.

[H.Solo]

I have to agree... I wouldn't want to have a "Themewatch" but maybe a themed watch... ;-)
(for example: I wouldn't want a watch that screams Jules Verne Hommage... but I like the idea of the mechanical Nautilus Elements combined with dark blue and copper/bronce colors... :think:)

So I concour with snake here... voting for a generall theme might be a good idea, if we have found somthing of general interest we can see where this leads, throw in some ideas and see if we're on the right track for the WUS-watch. :-!

[Icestorm]

What exactly is a Sextant Style Navigation watch?

[Uwe W.]

What exactly is a Sextant Style Navigation watch?

There's an example in the very first post of this thread; essentially it has a second set of numbers that are reversed. Of course a navigation theme wouldn't have to use such a dial face, but that is an example of one.

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I guess since no one has posted any additional themes, everyone is okay with holding a vote on this subject.

So I concour with snake here... voting for a generall theme might be a good idea, if we have found somthing of general interest we can see where this leads, throw in some ideas and see if we're on the right track for the WUS-watch.

Maybe I've misunderstood this post (and possibly Snake's as well), but isn't that what we proposed to do? Vote from a list of general themes?

[Uwe W.]

Actually, I'd like to throw one more theme idea in there. It may overlap the sci-fi nautilus idea, but it would be a submarine or submariner theme. An example of what I'm taking about is a watch I've lusted over for quite a while, the Sinn U1 and U2. They are divers, but their styling cues could be adapted to the Triton ND case and the U2 is also a GMT watch.

How do they fit into a submarine theme? Well, they're made from the same steel used to build submarines. Obviously we're not going to get an exotic metal like that for this project, but it does point out what I've been saying about themes: they can be extremely subtle.

http://home.watchprosite.com/img/watchprosite/ml/86/scaled/ml_image.642286.jpg

I was messing around a little and came up with this (yes I know, it's a horrible drawing and I'll blame the basic software I used for it :-d), but now that I look at the U2 again I like the idea of an inner 24 hour ring better.

I realise this is a little off-topic and I should stick to the subject of themes, but I think some people here have been frustrated by not being able to imagine a design or having seen any drawn ideas. Please understand that this is a crude drawing and does not represent anything official.

http://www.vorg.com/watches/WUSSE dial 1.jpg

[CmdrBond]

Ref. the U2 type design, I also have longed for one of those watches for a while and just haven't gotten around to getting one.

I like the style of hands on the rough drawing, and I also like the idea of inner 24hr GMT markers, but not sure about the bezel, would much rather an all silver bezel - but that is just my personal opinion.:-)

[vnf68]

Sinn U2 is a good sample but I do not like all PVD black case.

[vnf68]

I like such GMT watch.We can make inner 24hr GMT markers and bezel as Luminor Arctos.It will symbolize the idea of association of countries and continents.

[markrlondon]

The 24 hour markers can be engraved on the bezel, maybe even lumed?

I like the sound of that.

[cybertrancer]

Hi all!

I like Uwe's design! It has a much cleaner dial than the Sinn watch. I would make 2 changes though:
-Invert the day/night (12H on top 24H on bottom)
-Remove the 24H marker and put the date dial close to that place. The 12H marker on top could be red
Nice job Uwe :-!

[Triton]

My take on a theme: Classic, no nonsense, heavy duty tool. Titanium case, stainless steel bezel and case back.

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2450/wussegmtlay1.jpg

b-)

[vnf68]

My take on a theme: Classic, no nonsense, heavy duty tool. Titanium case, stainless steel bezel and case back.

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2450/wussegmtlay1.jpg

b-)

:-!:-!:-!:-!:-!

[CzechMate]

Looks great Triton! Lets skip the rest of the process and move to the final vote: who wants this watch? ;-):-!
Just kidding, but I would not mind, I like it a lot!

My take on a theme: Classic, no nonsense, heavy duty tool. Titanium case, stainless steel bezel and case back.

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2450/wussegmtlay1.jpg

b-)

[handwound]

Triton, I would absolutely buy that watch as it sets!

For those who like the red accent idea, I could see that same watch with a red GMT hand and the 24 marker done in red.

Could we get a quick picture of that, Triton?

Again, I would be absolutely thrilled if that was the final product pictured right there. Maybe a "WatchUSeek" or "Steinhart Forum" or something enraved on the caseback?

EDIT -- actually, does Gunter have access to black/dark gray lume and red lume? I'd love to see the bezel markers lumed with something dark, and then the 24 lumed in red or orange.

[markrlondon]

My take on a theme: Classic, no nonsense, heavy duty tool. Titanium case, stainless steel bezel and case back.

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2450/wussegmtlay1.jpg

b-)

Mmmm, very good. I like the font very much. :-)

Suggestions (which I realise may be partially or wholly mutually exclusive):

(1) Make the GMT hand and the 12 and/or the 24 red (with red lume).

(2) Lume dial and black numerals.

(3) Blue dial rather than black. (This would make a red GMT hand and 12/24 impossuble, since blue and red tend to clash).

[Riker]

Simon, for me that design is just about spot on mate.....;-)

The design is simple & elegant but it also has a feeling of a tool watch. A good mix of ideas indeed.....

Maybe a red 12 & 24hr hand....?

Question...: Now that the vote for the 'Theme' is underway, in which category do we put this latest design from Triton, post no.120, that is relevant to the 'Theme' options available to vote on...? It seems to be quite popular from the few that have replied here about it.

[SydneyDan]

I really like Triton's first idea---the concept of that watch is spot on, with the font lending itself perfectly to that concept of no-nonsense functionality.
Bravo, Simon---that's why you're designing watches and the rest of us aren't!:-!

It would also look pretty amazing with a Triton bracelet with maybe even something engraved on the clasp, ie WUSSE #54

[Triton]

Here's a rendering of my "theme" with a white full lume dial in BG W9 and with red SL:

http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/4156/wussegmtlay1b.jpg


The problem with red Super LumiNova is, that it's not really red, it's more like a dark orange and glows in a dirty orange. I guess that's why I've never seen anybody use the red SL on a watch.

To illustrate what I'm intending with the rehaut/reflector, check out the minute indices of this gorgeous De Bethune dream watch:

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6396/debethune2.jpg

[markrlondon]

Here's a rendering of my "theme" with a white full lume dial in BG W9 and with red SL:

http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/4156/wussegmtlay1b.jpg


Oh yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes. This, for me, looks absolutely fantastic. I cannot describe how much I like it.

The problem with red Super LumiNova is, that it's not really red, it's more like a dark orange and glows in a dirty orange. I guess that's why I've never seen anybody use the red SL on a watch.

If the pic of the lume sample sheet you posted at http://forums.watchuseek.com/showpost.php?p=2454671&postcount=44 is anything to go by then the 'dark red' SL looks quite acceptable to me. I can see what you mean by orange but it's still a very pleasant shade.


To illustrate what I'm intending with the rehaut/reflector, check out the minute indices of this gorgeous De Bethune dream watch:

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6396/debethune2.jpg

That's good, I like it.

[littlenick]

whats the colour used on the current Steinhart Triton (http://www.steinhartwatches.de/index.php?id=67&artnr=48&Sel_ID=9#48) ?
Is that more an orange already ?
Just a question to get an idea of what this red vs. orange is about.

Other than that I'm thrilled with the first designs, they are absolutely gorgeous - well done Triton.

[rukrem]

SR-71 Blackbird theme?

[Triton]

whats the colour used on the current Steinhart Triton (http://www.steinhartwatches.de/index.php?id=67&artnr=48&Sel_ID=9#48) ?
Is that more an orange already ?
Just a question to get an idea of what this red vs. orange is about.

Other than that I'm thrilled with the first designs, they are absolutely gorgeous - well done Triton.

The Triton makes use of dark orange SL. Hope this pic helps to get an idea ...

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2410/superlumi.jpg

[markrlondon]

Despite previously advocating a space theme, I've just voted NO in the theme vote since none of the offered themes maps well onto Triton's amazing red 12/lume dial design at http://forums.watchuseek.com/showpost.php?p=2458323&postcount=127.

[blighter]

That's a nice direction. I would however try to unclutter the minute marking and maybe just keep it on the insert bezel to keep it as clean as possible since the dial is quite small compared to the case. I would also prefer not having steinhart logo on the dial, again to keep it clean.
I'm not sure how combination of ss and ti would look but for titanium |>|>


Here's a rendering of my "theme" with a white full lume dial in BG W9 and with red SL:

http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/4156/wussegmtlay1b.jpg

[markrlondon]

That's a nice direction. I would however try to unclutter the minute marking

Looking at how Triton intends for the minute markings to appear on the rehaut, I don't think it would be too cluttered once we saw it in the metal.

[H.Solo]

Simon, I just love your lume dial version... were do I have to I sign the order-sheet?! ;-)

All right, shut down all the voting right now, this is it!! :-!

[vnf68]

Dear Triton!
Your version with all lume dial is good.But 12/24 hour markers with red lume are nonsense! <| I think that hour markers on bezel must be all lume white but on a black background.

[vnf68]

Dear Triton!
Do you can to draw both versions with a black and white lume dial but with white lume hour markers on a black bezel? :thanks

[CzechMate]

OK, I think our next vote will be to decide wheter we should continue in this project or not. Simon has posted some very nice drawings and I thing everyone is so thrilled about them, that noone will enjoy further participation in this project.
I believe this watch is beautiful, it is just too bad we did not have the chance to create something here...
But if this is your preference, I am fine with it. :think:
Maybe we could decide wheter this watch should serve as a base for further modifications?
We could try to apply some ideas presented before and see if we can turn it into our watch, not Simons watch (nothing personal, no offence meant Simon!). And if it does not work out, we can keep it as it is now, it is briliant design. |>

At this point, I would like to ask everyone to participate in our theme vote, if we decide to modificate the design of this watch, it could be usefull to know your preferences...
:thanks

[littlenick]

OK, I think our next vote will be to decide wheter we should continue in this project or not. Simon has posted some very nice drawings and I thing everyone is so thrilled about them, that noone will enjoy further participation in this project.
I believe this watch is beautiful, it is just too bad we did not have the chance to create something here...
But if this is your preference, I am fine with it. :think:
Maybe we could decide wheter this watch should serve as a base for further modifications?
We could try to apply some ideas presented before and see if we can turn it into our watch, not Simons watch (nothing personal, no offence meant Simon!). And if it does not work out, we can keep it as it is now, it is briliant design. |>

At this point, I would like to ask everyone to participate in our theme vote, if we decide to modificate the design of this watch, it could be usefull to know your preferences...
:thanks

I don't think we should stop here and take the first design we get to see - even if its such an excellent one |>
Shouldn't we take this as an encouragement to use this as a blueprint and take it further?
We had so many excellent ideas that I would find it a shame if they all go overboard in the excitement of the moment.
Shouldn't we take this as a solid foundation to build the actual watch on ?
Take a deep breath, sleep over it, think what could be done to enhance whats there now and come back tomorrow with a few fresh thoughts :think:

[markrlondon]

OK, I think our next vote will be to decide wheter we should continue in this project or not. Simon has posted some very nice drawings and I thing everyone is so thrilled about them, that noone will enjoy further participation in this project.

As littlenick said, there's no need to stop here and just take the (very good) design that Triton has suggested. We can and should continue the joint creative process and see what we get at the end of it.

Maybe we could decide wheter this watch should serve as a base for further modifications?

Let's just carry on as we are, debating and voting. Those of us who like Triton's design can use it as a personal reference in the debate and voting process but there's certainly no need to short-circuit the process.

[Riker]

Relax mate......;-)

I don't think you need to panic & I also don't think we need to make hasty comments on stopping the project just because people happen to like Simon's design's over a themed watch. I have no doubt you will find that Simon's intent here in offering up these great designs is to provide a template to work on. Something we are all involved in. He has incorporated ideas into the black & white dialed designs that we have spoken about so obviously he is using the forums ideas & not just his own.

Simon is the designer, let him design & offer ideas.....:-!

The theme vote is continuing so lets us see how it ends up.

OK, I think our next vote will be to decide wheter we should continue in this project or not. I believe this watch is beautiful, it is just too bad we did not have the chance to create something here...
But if this is your preference, I am fine with it. :think:
We could try to apply some ideas presented before and see if we can turn it into our watch, not Simons watch (nothing personal, no offence meant Simon!). And if it does not work out, we can keep it as it is now, it is briliant design. |>

:thanks

[H.Solo]

I was just kidding! ;-)

Don't stop anything... the creating of a brand new watch is so exciting, I think no one involved will likely stop this project, because of the very first (actually really great) design...

I love Simons desing and would buy this watch instantly (possibly even both versions! :-d) but I think we should go our own way and decide together what could and should be part of the project!

There are so many great ideas around in this thread and I think we should incorporate these into our very own unique watchdesign.

[Riker]

.......:-!

the creating of a brand new watch is so exciting, I think no one involved will likely stop this project, because of the very first (actually really great) design...

[Icestorm]

Very nice design Triton, although I think Roman numerals and a navy blue dial might look even better :P Unfortunately I don't have the imaging skills to make this happen. ><

[CzechMate]

I hope I was not taken wrong! I did not mean to show some dissapointment, nor was I expressing any personal "hurt feelings" because of people showing interest in Tritons early design. I just thought that this design is so good, that people could be against further votes and design discussion, when there is such a beautifull design... ;-)
Really guys, there is no need to take any breath, shallow or deep, I just thought that majority would be happy with this design and that it could be counterproductive to push you all around through next design threads and votes...
AND, I am very glad to hear that most of you (maybe all of you) want to continue! Lets continue then and everyone who likes this Tritons design, keep it in mind when you vote and try to improve it. And the rest, feel free to participate and try to persuade others through your creative posts in design threads to create something to your taste.
Glad to hear you guys keep your interest and show goes on! :-!:-!:-!

[vnf68]

Tritons design is good.But it is watch which was created by him.We must create a watch by common efforts!

[littlenick]

Tritons design is good.But it is watch which was created by him.We must create a watch by common efforts!

Maybe its worthwhile pointing out that Tritons design already is the result of our common efforts - we've decided on the case and movement so far and a lot of the discussions around dial colour and it being luminous or not are reflected in the design. So this IS what we wanted, Triton only translated it into the actual picture. :-!

[CzechMate]

Tritons design is good.But it is watch which was created by him.We must create a watch by common efforts!

Thank you, that is what I was having on mind. I did not mean to offend Triton, his design is PERFECT, I just thought it would be less fun, if we do not influence the rest of the process.
I would like to apologize to Triton, if my "our watch, not Simons watch" sounded offensive, I did not mean it, it is just the language barrier, that creates problems here...
:oops:

[CzechMate]

Maybe its worthwhile pointing out that Tritons design already is the result of our common efforts - we've decided on the case and movement so far and a lot of the discussions around dial colour and it being luminous or not are reflected in the design. So this IS what we wanted, Triton only translated it into the actual picture. :-!

Yes, that is correct and I really appreciate Tritons efforts here, he is doing excelent job.
Again, I would like to say, my post was not aimed against Tritons effort here, I just thought that this watch is a beauty already...
I wish we all speak one language, this project is not easy task as it is, and language barrier makes it even more complicated...

[handwound]

Well, if the red isn't really red, then I say skip it. However, if we are going to lume the bezel numbers, there needs to be more contrast, IMO. Maybe DLC the bezel like the new 1000M Triton diver?

I *LOVE* the all lume dial with the chapter ring reflector, though. I agree, the indices could be cleaned up/simplified a bit. I do like the 12/3/6/9 font, though.

[markrlondon]

Well, if the red isn't really red, then I say skip it.

At risk of harping on about it, it seems to me that the 'dark red' SL is pretty good. See day/night pics at http://forums.watchuseek.com/showpost.php?p=2454671&postcount=44

[CzechMate]

So far guys, according to our new voting system, there is a very close tie between I and A option (Submarine theme vs Space theme)... Please everyone vote if you wish to influence result of current vote.

Also I would kindly like to ask those, who voted NO and did not specifiy their preference regarding the theme, please do so, so we all know what theme is closest to our hearts, even if this vote results in themeless watch.
Thank you!

[handwound]

At risk of harping on about it, it seems to me that the 'dark red' SL is pretty good. See day/night pics at http://forums.watchuseek.com/showpost.php?p=2454671&postcount=44

Agreed, Mark. I'm much more concerned about how red it is in the daylight.

Going to update my post in the vote thread now, CM. I wasn't sure if the "no" voters should still make choices on the theme or not.

[yycwatchdog]

I am all for a theme base on the 40th anniversary of the Apollo13 mission and using the design and colors of the mission patch would be a great match to the Triton ND case. What a great idea! Let's move forward in this direction. My 2 cents.

Another space themed idea - 2010 will be 40th Anniversary of what is IMHO NASA's finest hour - the safe return of Apollo 13:-!

I have not really thought about how it could be celebrated or incorporated into the watch, but the mission patch is a very nice design

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/338745main_13-lg.jpg

[CzechMate]

Hi everyone,
voting for theme or non theme watch has ended. See my post in general information thread.
Thanks!

[BenG]

If we go for the space theme, the white version could work for a space shuttle idea or maybe it could be grey (like the moon) to go with the apollo missions!

Ben