Any thought on this auction?

[EJC]

Piece looks interesting, could find a close copy in Richter, but no exact match. Submitted for you consideration. Thanks for the help

Auction # 110047781981

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-New-Old-Stock-BREITLING-MILITARY-Chronograph-watch_W0QQitemZ110047781981QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3138 7QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[msayewich]

Piece looks interesting, could find a close copy in Richter, but no exact match. Submitted for you consideration. Thanks for the help

Auction # 110047781981

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-New-Old-Stock-BREITLING-MILITARY-Chronograph-watch_W0QQitemZ110047781981QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3138 7QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


I like it. Good price too.

[Broker]

Looks good. Did you ask him what the reserve was? I would imagine $500-$1000 on the high end. I really like it on the desert colored Nato strap. Seems to make it look so much better.

Todd

[googoo]

yeah, that reserve price must be high. oh well, fleeting thoughts of owning another breitling. not sure about the seller selling baby clothes and watches. seems an odd pairing. then again, ron and latex leather chaps is also an odd pairing.

[EJC]

yeah, that reserve price must be high. oh well, fleeting thoughts of owning another breitling. not sure about the seller selling baby clothes and watches. seems an odd pairing. then again, ron and latex leather chaps is also an odd pairing.


He just got back to me, reserve is$1375

[googoo]

wow, that is high. i dislike it when the auction starts at like nothing, but the reserve is high. it's rather silly. oh well, $1375 is over my budget anyways...i have to pay $5k for new wrestling outfits for the new season.

[O2AFAC67]

yeah, that reserve price must be high. oh well, fleeting thoughts of owning another breitling. not sure about the seller selling baby clothes and watches. seems an odd pairing. then again, ron and latex leather chaps is also an odd pairing.THIS an odd pairing but I don't think so!! :-D
Cheers,
Ron


http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/923/dualutczf3.jpg

[googoo]

thank god it was two watches...i was almost too afraid to look, but the intrigue of seeing a disgusting image of ron and his leather latex chaps was just overwhelming...alas, it was indeed only a pair of watches.

[O2AFAC67]

thank god it was two watches...i was almost too afraid to look, but the intrigue of seeing a disgusting image of ron and his leather latex chaps was just overwhelming...alas, it was indeed only a pair of watches.this one of Bob (could actually be Kevin, I'm not really sure...) contemplating the error of his ways after he has railed unmercifully about the sins of quartz? The bottom photo is a closeup of what he is resting his bohonkus upon... :-D
Cheers,
Ron


http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/9942/thethinkerzi2.jpg

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/9528/quartzcrystalzq9.jpg

[Broker]

You think he has figured out it isn't worth $1375 yet??

Todd

[googoo]

are you talking about quartz watches or ron's leather latex chaps?

[rbt]

this one of Bob (could actually be Kevin, I'm not really sure...) contemplating the error of his ways after he has railed unmercifully about the sins of quartz? The bottom photo is a closeup of what he is resting his bohonkus upon... :-D
Cheers,
Ron


http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/9942/thethinkerzi2.jpg

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/9528/quartzcrystalzq9.jpg

Funny.

[EJC]

You think he has figured out it isn't worth $1375 yet??

Todd

it isn't worth it to me.

[altro]

Piece looks interesting, could find a close copy in Richter, but no exact match. Submitted for you consideration. Thanks for the help

Auction # 110047781981

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-New-Old-Stock-BREITLING-MILITARY-Chronograph-watch_W0QQitemZ110047781981QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3138 7QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Hmm,

Elliot, is it just me or do you think the case looks very like an Omega Speedy? I have never seen a Breitling like this before but there were a tremendous number of new designs in the late 60's/early 70's as we all know. On the other hand the case back does not look like a Breitling chronograph to me - and what is that blue stuff covering the middle.

Having said all that, if it is genuine it is gorgeous - but if it is some sort of weird franken, well let's face it, none of us would want it.... hmm, this is a tricky one!

How about asking for a good pic of the case back without the covering over the middle....

Have you managed to find any evidence of the existence of the quoted reference number anywhere else?

Cheers,

[EJC]

Hmm,

Elliot, is it just me or do you think the case looks very like an Omega Speedy? I have never seen a Breitling like this before but there were a tremendous number of new designs in the late 60's/early 70's as we all know. On the other hand the case back does not look like a Breitling chronograph to me - and what is that blue stuff covering the middle.

Having said all that, if it is genuine it is gorgeous - but if it is some sort of weird franken, well let's face it, none of us would want it.... hmm, this is a tricky one!

How about asking for a good pic of the case back without the covering over the middle....

Have you managed to find any evidence of the existence of the quoted reference number anywhere else?

Cheers,

Good points, I'm not really an Omega fan so can't comment on the speedy, and I'm embarrased to say that I didn't check out the reference # because I couldn't find the watch in Richter. I thought I'd be lazy and see if anyone else had any familiarity with it.
Now I'm not interested at all at the price.

[googoo]

any additional conclusions about this watch?

[SnapIT]

Yes googoo, I don't like it. Not that its not attractive but that the case is not right, the hands seem to not be of breitling origin, that the dial lumi seems to have been refinished(nice but not quite right), my BS meter is in the orange to red zone, and I think the bezel is not right. All in all a very positive response don't you think. Oh yeah, the auto focus camera, in the hands of a true pro can't take a clear shot of the case back. Love it.

[googoo]

the pics were indeed fuzzy, when all the kids clothes are well in focus. seller responded that the bidders didn't know the true value of the watch, probably because didn't get to see the movement.

[EJC]

Yes googoo, I don't like it. Not that its not attractive but that the case is not right, the hands seem to not be of breitling origin, that the dial lumi seems to have been refinished(nice but not quite right), my BS meter is in the orange to red zone, and I think the bezel is not right. All in all a very positive response don't you think. Oh yeah, the auto focus camera, in the hands of a true pro can't take a clear shot of the case back. Love it.

I did not find the 3098 ref number in Richter

[googoo]

I did not find the 3098 ref number in Richter

did it look like the 3098 for auction?

[SnapIT]

Hey GG,

EJC said not found. This makes it even money thats its a bodgie put together frankienwatch. A real shame as it does have its attractions.

[googoo]

i think you guys are trying to mess with my brain, b/c i was sure he said he found, rather that he did NOT find. it's a conspiracy...you guys are trying to make me fail my jello wrestling federation psych exam.:rodekaart

[googoo]

so the seller said that the watch is the rarest breitling; noted that the case is identical to the speedmaster; saw the signed breitling movt when it was serviced; and all watches from 60s-70s had unusual cases.

so what you think?

[SnapIT]

So its a half and half. Its still a frankien watch in the eyes of most collectors.
You can put a porche engine in a VW but what do you have? Same difference.
It'll run well and look good but its not the beast you think it is. Its worth something as a time piece but its not an original item any longer.

[googoo]

now i know it's a fake from the reply the seller gave:

"I have quite a collection of unique timepieces all of which are rare if not impossible to find. I have had a distingushed flying career that has rewarded me with these rare pieces. From Special Ops, NASA, and flying a previous President I have come across a few watches that were NOT in the public market. This watch is one of those. There were 5 that I know of. This watch is NOS and has the wax seal on the caseback. I am currently a 747 Captain flying worldwide and have not found any Military issue Breitlings on the market period, with the exception of the team watches that Breitling has issued in the last 15 years. I have now changed my mind and
will keep this 40mm beauty due to the overall interest and rarity of this timepiece. Thank you"

maybe it was, maybe it wasn't...good thing i don't have another opportunity to bid on it.

[altro]

now i know it's a fake from the reply the seller gave:

"I have quite a collection of unique timepieces all of which are rare if not impossible to find. I have had a distingushed flying career that has rewarded me with these rare pieces. From Special Ops, NASA, and flying a previous President I have come across a few watches that were NOT in the public market. This watch is one of those. There were 5 that I know of. This watch is NOS and has the wax seal on the caseback. I am currently a 747 Captain flying worldwide and have not found any Military issue Breitlings on the market period, with the exception of the team watches that Breitling has issued in the last 15 years. I have now changed my mind and
will keep this 40mm beauty due to the overall interest and rarity of this timepiece. Thank you"

maybe it was, maybe it wasn't...good thing i don't have another opportunity to bid on it.

Anyone ever heard of a wax seal on a case back?????

Not me but I am always willing to be educated.....

Cheers,

[rbt]

About as useful as a wax case on a seal's back, I'd think.

[Broker]

About as useful as a wax case on a seal's back, I'd think.

It's like putting RTV on the back of it. Right Rbt?? This was too much of a coincidence to not put in a thread. I do have a similar watch though with a duct tape bezel.

Todd

[scottjal]

Isn't the bottom seal on a toilet wax? :-D

[googoo]

well, between flying 747's worldwide, he has enough time to maintain an ebay business selling kids clothing. i wish i had the time.

[bradders]

Sorry I have come to this debate rather late.

The last time I gave my opinion on a watch like this - I got continually dissed down by the owner - even though his main business was selling russian copies of Omega's and Breitlings (nothing wrong in itself by the way - but a little ironic from someone who supposedly is asking for advice on their first B ) !!!

He remained convinced he had a genuine B, even though it didn't have a serial number or model number - his conviction based on the fact that it had a couple of bits of branded metal and signed dial. I didn't agree with him and still don't.

My opinion on this watch (and like the previous posting) is its a redialled (with a Breitling signed dial ) and probably recased Valjoux watch from that period (though it may well be NOS) - but not a Breitling.

The dial is likely very very new - as opposed to NOS or old as it still is very luminous (apparently).

But I guess this view has already been accepted by the forum in general.

The reason for my post - is to point out it is becoming increasingly common to see a generic model Valjoux - that probably had a lesser brand name on originally - that has been re modelled to look like a Breitling with a new dial, and in some cases a new crown wheel and a new "signed" bridge on the movement,part that are all regularly sold cheaply on ebay.

Check out this ebayer: member14735942 - clearly a genuine seller - selling old stock (thank god they exist !!)- however all anyone unscruplous has to do is provide the movement. The case, dial, crown etc. can all be bought here. It is fine if these bits go into repairing a genuine B, but not if they are used to rebrand another model into a higher priced B.

This is really becoming a problem for people looking to buy B's for the first time, make your first purchase based on condition and a clearly identified serial and model number. Regardless of the fact that there are genuine B's out there with neither (their model run was hardly realible) - don't buy them, unless you really really are sure.

haven't I seen these blue plastic circles on the back of a lot of watches - are they not there to stop the back getting scratched before the watch is sold - therefore signifying that the case is new? Or am I stating the obvious : :rodekaart

Regards Bradders "he of strong opinion and often wrong"