So, How's the Accuracy?

[Peter Atwood]

My LM-1 has been about +8 or so per day which is fine by me. Rather have it a little fast than slow. It's been about 3 weeks now and I'm still extremely happy with my watch and impressed with the whole Ocean7 experience. :-) :-!

[Nalu]

#39 ran about +20s/day over the first few days of ownership. I'll time it again in a couple of weeks and see if it's settled in. I'd think it would be simple to regulate it to be a bit more accurate.The PVD OTH, has been about +4s/day over the first 3 days - excellent performance, IMO!

[Brad Trent]

For me, without setting the thing to a known, rock-steady source, I can only compare it to the other watches I own including my 5 Panerais! I set all of my watches, the PAM 55, 86, 93, 106 & 183, my Schaumburg Model #1, the RWC 1938A, my Rolex Air King and my older-than-dirt Patek 2425 to the same time as the LM-1 about a week ago...every watch is within 30 seconds up or down except the 1938A which lost about 90 seconds over the week. I can't be 100% sure with the 55 'cuz it's a Base, but it looks to be as accurate as the other Panerais. The Air King was in for servicing last year and is running about 10 seconds faster than the rest. The real interesting thing is that one week later, the LM-1, the 93, 106 and the 183 are all within 10 seconds of each other...to me, that kinda says they are balls-on accurate!

But the real treat for me is that the Patek, born in 1947, is only about 15 seconds under the Panerais! Gotta love them Swiss guys!!!

BT

[XTrooper]

I haven't formally timed mine, but I've observed that it runs a little fast on the winder (I've noticed this same phenomenon with other auto winders), but keeps near-perfect time while on my wrist. b-)

[NSG1Tausend]

I have not timed mine, I put it on everyday and jut marvel at the way I love the whole watch, and honestly I keep forgetting to time it, maybe Iwill do that soon.
Great to hear guys, I tell you I am stoked to for the next one, the LM-2.:-p
Regards
Robt

[dibetu]

after 10 days my LM-1 is 15 seconds fast, could not be better. Beats my two COSC certified watches that cost far far more.

[Malyel]

Mine is still running dead on to maybe gaining a second a day. :-!

[Denizen]

i checked my timings for the first 4 days of ownership...mine is +5 per day. i'll take another series of timings next week and see how they compare.

[Dave W]

Mine doesn't seem to be doing quite as well as you guy's. It gains about 14 seconds per day.

Dave

[pdxgti8v]

For me, without setting the thing to a known, rock-steady source, I can only compare it to the other watches I own including my 5 Panerais! I set all of my watches, the PAM 55, 86, 93, 106 & 183, my Schaumburg Model #1, the RWC 1938A, my Rolex Air King and my older-than-dirt Patek 2425 to the same time as the LM-1 about a week ago...every watch is within 30 seconds up or down except the 1938A which lost about 90 seconds over the week. I can't be 100% sure with the 55 'cuz it's a Base, but it looks to be as accurate as the other Panerais. The Air King was in for servicing last year and is running about 10 seconds faster than the rest. The real interesting thing is that one week later, the LM-1, the 93, 106 and the 183 are all within 10 seconds of each other...to me, that kinda says they are balls-on accurate!

But the real treat for me is that the Patek, born in 1947, is only about 15 seconds under the Panerais! Gotta love them Swiss guys!!!

BT

Uhhhhhhh...Brad.....this program works great, i set all my watches with it...

http://www.download.com/Atomic-Clock-Sync/3000-2350-10061823.html

:-!

[mbakes]

Mine is pretty close to dead on for the last few weeks.

[Malyel]

How about the guys here who know how to time the watch against a known accurate quartz do it, and post the results?

I timed my LM-1 against a C.O.S.C. Quartz Chronometer (Sinn UX) and it was dead on with the Sinn and Time.gov after 36 hours. :-!

http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=42503

[MitchSF]

I would not expect COSC results from a standard 2824-2, but of course, results will vary. If that's what you are looking for, you should buy a chronometer. If not, you should read up on the specifications for the different grades of movements because there is obviously some misunderstanding here.

Four sales at preorder prices out of approximately 120 watche sold, is probably far below the average for a group used to buying and selling watches like popcorn. Some people will just not like the watch, and that's fine. The fact that they were sold near the purchase price is appreciated, since the preorder discount was substantial and I've asked that in return for receiving that price, owners will not compete with retail sales. For the most part, that was done. Once they are sold out we'll see what happens, but you should consider that very few watches turn out to be good financial investments.

If you are concerned that you are not getting honest opinions here, why don't you just email or pm a few owners instead of asking on the same venue that you feel will not provide honest opinions?

Oh, OCEAN7 is a startup company, but the watch was built by a company that started doing business in 1858.

Mitch

[Brad Trent]

Some angry guy by the name of yamahaki spewed: "...so if this is offensive to some, please don't respond..."

Offensive? Ummm...yeah, I'd say you were being offensive! You say you aren't going to buy one until "...owners post up the reliabilty, fit, finish, and some real timing results...". I dunno, but I've seen a lot of reviews on the LM-1 that do just that! Now maybe we haven't hooked the thing up to an atomic clock to make sure it's beating within half a microsecond of accurate, but so what? A lot of people, myself included, have not seen the LM-1 underperform. You really seem to have a chip on your shoulder and I can't imagine why...care to fill us in?!!

BT

[XTrooper]

nobody who posts here will give a honest opinion for fear of being ostricized for a honest opinion

You're damned right I'm offended.

Your statement is frigging presumptuous as you have, in effect, called everyone who has commented on the LM-1 a liar and too scared to post an honest opinion. Well, sorry, but your statement is full of scheiße. <|

I don't give a rat's ass how many dive watches you own or have owned, they don't minimize the ignorance of your comment.

Regarding watches found on the pre-owned market, only a fool would try and infer anything from the sale or asking price of a watch.

[XTrooper]

Some angry guy by the name of yamahaki spewed: "...so if this is offensive to some, please don't respond..."

Offensive? Ummm...yeah, I'd say you were being offensive! You say you aren't going to buy one until "...owners post up the reliabilty, fit, finish, and some real timing results...". I dunno, but I've seen a lot of reviews on the LM-1 that do just that! Now maybe we haven't hooked the thing up to an atomic clock to make sure it's beating within half a microsecond of accurate, but so what? A lot of people, myself included, have not seen the LM-1 underperform. You really seem to have a chip on your shoulder and I can't imagine why...care to fill us in?!!

BT

Brad,

According to yamahaki, the problem with the aforementioned reviews you speak of are that they've all been written by timid people afraid to voice their honest opinions.

The logical conclusion to this is that the only kind of review he's ready to believe is a negative one.

[Brad Trent]

Yeah...I know! Like I have to lie about what I say about the LM-1...I own 5 Panerais, a Rolex, a Patek...need I go on?! Hell...I have straps that cost as much as the LM-1!!! I don't think anybody has to wonder if anything I say about the LM-1 is tainted because I might be worrying that a negative review would affect my return on investment!

BT

[bleddrewsoe]

This watch is still new, but has been out long enough for the movements to have worn in. I'm still on the fence about buying one until some of you owners post up the reliabilty, fit, finish, and some real timing results. 1st, throwing a bunch of autos together and say the ocean is comparable to the others isn't timing. How about the guys here who know how to time the watch against a known accurate quartz do it, and post the results? I'm interested in a average time like on any other automatic that gets posted here and on other sites. How well does the crown screw down? how is the winder? smooth, rough, What? does the date set well, and slop in the hands while setting the time or is it very nice? Whats the overall quality? I didn't buy one. I don't have a vested interest in the watch.Please Don't tell me to buy one and see for myself. So far I see them for sale, nobody who posts here will give a honest opinion for fear of being ostricized for a honest opinion. 4 have gone up on other forums and sold for less than 500.00 no reason given. I've been on wus since before it went down, I'm honest and don't stir up anything, so if this is offensive to some, please don't respond. I own more divers than most here, some are even prototypes. But for once, don't tiptoe around the issue of this start up watch! Just give your honest opinion of the watch compared to your other dependable divers.Say whats on your mind and don't follow the crowd on this issue. thank you for reading this.

I posted a very objective review on the LM-1. I am wearing mine today and would buy it again if I had to do it all over again.

http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=42458

Still no pictureso|

[mbakes]

Don't tell me to buy one and see for myself. So far I see them for sale, nobody who posts here will give a honest opinion for fear of being ostricized for a honest opinion. ...I'm honest and don't stir up anything, so if this is offensive to some, please don't respond. Just give your honest opinion of the watch compared to your other dependable divers.Say whats on your mind and don't follow the crowd on this issue. thank you for reading this.
I suggest you buy one for yourself as you have already said that those who have posted about it aren't honest because we feel we will be ostricized. If that is your true belief than the only way you will know is to buy one and check it out for yourself. Your post is one of the more offensive I've read on this forum.

You want my honest opinion, the watch keeps great time. I don't have a lot divers like you, in fact, this is my only one. I wear this watch more than my other watch, which is a Rolex. If you don't like that opinion, I am sorry but it is my opinion.

[MitchSF]

Hell...I have straps that cost as much as the LM-1!!!

Now that's funny!

Mitch

[ISAIL]

Hell...I have straps that cost as much as the LM-1!!! BT

Makes a guy wonder what the birdie-shirt cost? :-d

[NSG1Tausend]

Sean , may I call you Sean............. Sorry but this is offensive<| because you dont beleive any of us who have posted - we have no vested interest either........
Please consider this, you bought many watches I saw you post and talk about, and then you sold them. In no way did I view this as anything but
a movement of a watch because of personal reasons, either you wanted something else and had to raise the funds, or the watch just did not do it for you anymore. Now when I post a reivew of a watch that I keep and I say I like this and that about it, why do you think right off the bat that I am afraid to express my opinions as truths? or draw these unfounded opinions of your's.
Maybe you did not read enough but we all stated as regular posters what we would like to see improved on the LM-1 as personal opinion. It is the first watch out of the gate for Mitch and his new company. I dare say any of us know what it is like to try and please everyone. Why worry about the few that have sold or that you dont want to buy one until you are convinced - I guess you never leaped on faith before .
Regards
Robt

This watch is still new, but has been out long enough for the movements to have worn in. I'm still on the fence about buying one until some of you owners post up the reliabilty, fit, finish, and some real timing results. 1st, throwing a bunch of autos together and say the ocean is comparable to the others isn't timing. How about the guys here who know how to time the watch against a known accurate quartz do it, and post the results? I'm interested in a average time like on any other automatic that gets posted here and on other sites. How well does the crown screw down? how is the winder? smooth, rough, What? does the date set well, and slop in the hands while setting the time or is it very nice? Whats the overall quality? I didn't buy one. I don't have a vested interest in the watch.Please Don't tell me to buy one and see for myself. So far I see them for sale, nobody who posts here will give a honest opinion for fear of being ostricized for a honest opinion. 4 have gone up on other forums and sold for less than 500.00 no reason given. I've been on wus since before it went down, I'm honest and don't stir up anything, so if this is offensive to some, please don't respond. I own more divers than most here, some are even prototypes. But for once, don't tiptoe around the issue of this start up watch! Just give your honest opinion of the watch compared to your other dependable divers.Say whats on your mind and don't follow the crowd on this issue. thank you for reading this.

[Malyel]

Well said, 3hospitals.:-!


So far I see them for sale, nobody who posts here will give a honest opinion for fear of being ostricized for a honest opinion.


I would add that I wrote a very comprehensive review on the LM-1 when I first received it. :-)
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=41979



Had I found any gripes with the watch I would have shared them. I have no fear of being ostracized for giving my honest opinion on a watch I own or have owned. I have pointed out things I don't like on many popular watches around here. If you don't believe me...

My post on the poor lume on my Kobold Ti Seal. Post#1
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=4362

My post on the poor AR coating on my Sinn U1. Post#3,6,12
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=44224

My post on the fragile Ti case and poor non ratcheting bezel on my Sinn 103 Ti UTC. Post#11,15
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=35159

My post on the poor overall quality on my Orsa Sea Angler. Post#5
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=39789

My post on the problems I had with my Bathys Automatic. Post#15,29,32,41,45
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=48507

In the end, we are talking about luxury watches here. Not everyone is going to like every watch they buy. In my book, if someone buys a watch they are entitled to share their opinion on the watch even if it's not popular or if I disagree with them. Now what I do have a problem with is when people put down a watch when they have never handled or owned it. <| Something that unfortunately several people chose to do when discussing the LM-1 when it was first released and something that your question infers by speculating the lack of poor reviews is due to people being afraid to share their honest opinions.

[XTrooper]

A major in common courtesy would have served you better.

I don't know about you, but I don't appreciate having my integrity questioned.

That said, I'm moving on and this is my last word on the issue.

[Malyel]

If you feel you were impunded, email me.
I didn't finish college. What is impunded? Do you mean impugned? :-s

[XTrooper]

Well, I said I was done with this, but you've forced my hand with your rationalizations.

No ones honor or integrity was ever called into question.

This statement is patently false. You said and I quote, "nobody who posts here will give a honest opinion for fear of being ostricized (sic) for a honest opinion."

That is a declaration. There is no ambiguity in it and no inference is necessary. You could have said "I believe" or you could have stated "some who post here," but you chose to state "nobody who posts here" making it all-inclusive. So, either you have poor English skills or you're trying to have us believe you didn't mean what you actually said. The fact is, I did read your statement word for word and if your intent was other than to offend, you need a refresher in English comp. But let's be honest here. You knew you were being offensive which is why you included this nonsensical disclaimer.

For the ones who took offense, you were asked not to.

This is sadly laughable. You can't make offensive statements, then say don't take offense because I've asked you not to. Do you realize how ridiculous (and arrogant) this is? Don't answer that because first, it's a rhetorical question and second, I suspect that anyone who would make such a statement in the first place doesn't have the ability to see the absurdity of it.


Bottom line? The only appropriate response here is an apology. If you're any kind of gentleman, that's exactly what will be forthcoming.

[pdxgti8v]

It was well thought out and got what I needed.Having a major in psychology works!:-!

please, i do clinical outpatient counseling for a living, and if your first posting was "well thought out", then you should keep studying your psychology because your post couldn't have been less empathic...:-d

[Automatic]

I meant what I said. Period. I spent 6 years in Pararescue. No apology. Never.
I asked for a overall quality of the watch. That still hasn't been answered.
Overall quality is great, built like a tank.

[Brad Trent]

A boy called yamahaki, feeling kinda inadequate, offered: "...I spent 6 years in Pararescue. No apology. Never..."

Just what the Hell does that have to do with anything?!! Jesus-H-Christ, you need to get yourself into therapy, Sonny! You have yourself some serious issues that need to be worked out!!! But if this will help get you off of the ledge, yes...the quality, fit, finish, timekeeping ability, tensile strength, water-resistance and the ability to impress the chicks are just groovy! Now will you please pipe down and let the rest of us stroke each others fragile egos about what geniuses we are for buying an LM-1?!!

BT

[dtmartin46]

Yamahaki- As an impartial 3rd party here (I'm a non-Ocean7 owner, as of now) I think you should just quit while you are ahead. If you can't tell that you are offending people, then you are the problem, not them. Just quit. Stop trying to tell people not to be offended. In this instance, opinions are akin to beauty; 'held only in the eye of the beholder'

Telling someone DON'T BE OFFENDED before saying something offensive is just like telling someone THIS WON'T HURT immediately before stomping on their big toe. C'mon, man...

You aren't going to convince anyone here that your comments weren't offensive.

If you need some more proof that the LM-1 is a for real, high quality, great watch, you need to learn to read more, and post less. This forum is full to the brim with constructive criticism/feedback comments directed to Mitch along the lines of... "I LOVE the LM-1 but i would've..." or "It could've been better, in my opinion if the LM-1 had..." etc, etc etc. In other words, the general consensus on this watch is that it gets an A+, but people still give their honest opinion on it... and if you took some time to read more, i think you would've found this out yourself.

Now like i said, i think yer in over yer head here, nobody likes a battle in a nice, calm place like the forums. Mkaaay?

[ISAIL]

Thanks Steve, for saving me from having to put into words and type out all the great stuff you said below. You said exactly what I was thinking.

Since Sean is still claiming to have had honorable motives, and refuses to apologize, I have to add:

People with psych degrees (or those claiming to have them) often fall into two groups; Those that genuinely enjoy helping people, and those who desperately need help themselves.

Though I have seen people attacked for honest opinions (not about the LM-1, and certainly not an issue common to forums everywhere), I've never seen anyone ostracized. I'm surprised that someone with a psych degree, and with as many posts as Sean, can't figure out who is who and what is what around here. Many of the comments about the watch have been constructive, and many of the posters have a history of showing no fear of reprisals.

Well, I said I was done with this, but you've forced my hand with your rationalizations.

This statement is patently false. You said and I quote, "nobody who posts here will give a honest opinion for fear of being ostracized (sic) for a honest opinion."

That is a declaration. There is no ambiguity in it and no inference is necessary. You could have said "I believe" or you could have stated "some who post here," but you chose to state "nobody who posts here" making it all-inclusive. So, either you have poor English skills or you're trying to have us believe you didn't mean what you actually said. The fact is, I did read your statement word for word and if your intent was other than to offend, you need a refresher in English comp. But let's be honest here. You knew you were being offensive which is why you included this nonsensical disclaimer.

This is sadly laughable. You can't make offensive statements, then say don't take offense because I've asked you not to. Do you realize how ridiculous (and arrogant) this is? Don't answer that because first, it's a rhetorical question and second, I suspect that anyone who would make such a statement in the first place doesn't have the ability to see the absurdity of it.

Bottom line? The only appropriate response here is an apology. If you're any kind of gentleman, that's exactly what will be forthcoming.

[MitchSF]

On that note -

Let's move on!

Mitch

[XTrooper]

On that note -

Let's move on!

Mitch

Wiser words were never spoken! |>