LM-7 (PloProf) design thread 1

[MitchSF]

Here is the first round of changes that I think we should make:

The right side is obviously too wide, probably made that way to accomodate a large He valve crown. This will be brought back to scale, and a smaller crown will be used.

Grooved edge crowns should be used, similar to the original.

Change from C1 to C3 lume.

Dial - not sure about adding the inner 5 minute marks, but it would bring the design closer to original. I'm not concerned with keeping the dial close to other OCEAN7 designs, since this watch has a different purpose.

Comments?

Mitch







http://www.ocean7watchco.com/webfiles/LM-81.jpg

[XTrooper]

I'll leave the PloProf experts to do the critiques, but I think it captures the spirit of the original.

Good to have you back posting again, Mitch! ;-)

[Danny S]

Great Googley Moogley! Looks Fantastic!

Think you're right on the money re: grooved crown, particularly since it offers so little exposed surface area.

Perfectly presentable as-is, but "inner" 5-min marks would contribute to "the look".

Was really hoping for a Blue dial.

Looks amazing so far!

:-!

[MitchSF]

It will use a dark blue dial. I forgot to mention that.

Mitch

[lordsinclair]

Looks a lot of fun to me, Mitch.:-) Fantastic homage. Will they be in the stores for Christmas, so to speak?

[MitchSF]

Sorry, this is the LM-7, not LM-8. We've been traveling for 36 hours, so the mind isn't working well.

There is no firm schedule for the production of this watch, and no guarantee that it will proceed to production. Several issues have to be worked out and are being worked on at this moment, such as the bezel construction. At some point we will see if there really is a strong interest in this design.

Mitch

[MikeW]

I think the design is fantastic :-!. I would be in for one, but not anytime soon, there are a couple of other O7's in line first ;-).

Best, Mike W.

[ksv123]

very nice first round. I like it alot as Steve said I will let the PloProf experts weigh in. But my 2 cents says yippy.

[TMW]

Mitch - what a way to say welcome back...great start.

[smurfe]

Dang and I was hoping for the black LM-1 dial on this one. Call me crazy but the dial on the LM-1 is Signature Ocean7 to me. Nothing else compares. The LM-1 LE beats out quite a few so called luxury watches to my wrist. IMHO it is one of the most beautiful, simple, masculine, macho, eye catching dials I have yet to see.

[dowsing]

Looks great Mitch ...very glad to see a design up. I hope that it goes ahead, and please count me in.

[TMW]

Mitch - Thoughts...

what about using a black pvd instead of the red with the HE valve? Would give it a more modern feel, and still pay homage by advancing the design.

Like the blue dial - could you do a dark blue finish similar to the LM-3?

And finally....how about using the rectangular hour hand without the pointed end?

I am very excited about this. Consider this an order in advance.

Todd

[HK Shooter]

Very nice! I like the switch to C3 lume. Personally I don't need the 5 min marks. The way you have it it looks very clean. :-!

What kind of depth rating are you shooting for? +500m?

[Danny S]

I am very excited about this. Consider this an order in advance.

Todd

. . Ditto! |>

[diverx]

Mitch, it looks great! I understand your concern with the right side, but I wouldn't reduce it too much. Grooved crown or not, this is not a hang-up for me. The red He valve is a must, IMO. I like the inner 5 minute markers, which would pay homage, as well as differentiate this one from your main line-up. Dark blue dial works well, also. This watch is a must, at least for me, but I don't have any doubt that it will be produced. I believe this will draw more attention, and buyers, than you may anticipate. Let me know when to send my non-refundable deposit. I'm in on this one. Keep it in motion, please!|>

[ksv123]

Mitch - Thoughts...
And finally....how about using the rectangular hour hand without the pointed end?
Todd


Todd, are you suggesting taking off the pointed tip and just stopping the seconds hand as a rectangular shape. If so I think it would be way off balance.

Please correct me if I am not understanding exactly what you are describing.

[ksv123]

I just noticed there are alot of east coasters in this thread

[Malyel]

Looks amazing! :-! I really like the black on white date at 3 o'clock on this one. I don't think you could wrong with either a black or blue dial. |>

I would love to see this watch with a PVD case also. :-p

[TMW]

Here are my thoughts on the hour hand...I like the "blunt" end

Gives it a little different feel.

Also shows the inner 5 minute markers. After looking at this - I think it needs it.

[HK Shooter]

I have seen the Ploprof with both hr hands pointy and flat. Both work for me. Have to agree though that you should add the 5min dashes.

What is the word on the the lume on the bezel. I think that would be a nice touch as not many bezels have lume on them.

See this nice picture from Nalu :thanks

http://www.equationoftime.com/gallery/data/536/medium/Type_III_Dial_2.jpg

[ksv123]

were did the drawing go? I cannot see it anymore.

[XTrooper]

It's still there, Ken. Trying reloading the page.

[Graeme]

That looks really cool Mitch. I like that alot!!!!!
Graeme

[MitchSF]

We are still working on the bezel. Our preference is to use a sapphire ring on top, but we are not sure if it is possible.

You can't see this in the picture, but the watch is not flat on top like the original PloProf. The lugs and He valve area are angled down, and the crown guard treatment is similar to the LM-6. I'll see if I can post part of the plan. This is not firm, it can be changed.

A pvd version is easy to do. Depth rating will be 1000m.

Mitch

[ksv123]

sounds awesome.

[velo-ct]

I like it. I would love to see a chain link band option to complete the illusion.

[lenny]

If you make it, I will pre-order/buy it:-).
I shall start saving up now:-).

[Victor Boyd]

Looks like an excellent starting point Mitch |>|>

I would add the inner 5min markings .

Will the dial be Blue ? Are the case dimensions similar to a PloProf ?

Count me in for one !!!!

Cheers,
Vic :-)

[MitchSF]

I think the dial will be dark blue, but everything is open to discussion.

A major decision that has to be made, is whether we make the case top flat like the PloProf, or curved, as in this design. I'll try to post some of the plan tomorrow.

Mitch

[setherd]

my 2cents:
I love it! blue dial-absolutely, 5min markers yes,
I'm not sure about the top being flat or domed. I'll withhold judgment till I see the photos.

What about having the date at 6 O'clock like most others in the Ocean7 line? Just an idea...I'm not sure what it would look like.

[JAD3703]

Looks like a really nice piece, Mitch. I would be keenly interested in one, also.

Regards,

James

[clayman]

I'm in.

:-!

[MitchSF]

Here is the preliminary plan. You can see that the top is not flat.
Mitch


http://www.ocean7watchco.com/webfiles/LM-7plan.jpg

[Malyel]

Hi Mitch,

Were these plans made after you requested the changes to the right side? What size would the dial be?
Cannon

[MitchSF]

Hi Cannon,
These were drawn before any changes were requested.

I'm not sure about the dial size, but it will be close to the original.

Mitch

[thomlad54]

That looks fantastic. I'm in please advise when you need deposit. Thanks

Thom

[conorb]

Well, the overall design may not really be for me; but I'm intrigued by the dark blue dial.

Keep up the good work Mitch!

conorb

[Guido Muldoon]

I want in on this one Mitch. Looks great!

[mr2blue]

Mitch,

I have a Ploprof on its way from Bienne (2 actually) and I am in as well. I think it is a true homage to a great watch and will be well received. I hope the purist don't get too bent out of shape. I collect vintage Omegas' on a small scale and like the idea of affordable cousin.

[JohnT]

Looks good Mitch; I don't think the dial should be a Ploprof copy though and I would not go for the 5 minute markers.

[Daddel Virks]

This looks very promising Mitch.
I really like this project, and don't mind the little differences with the original.
Do you already have an idea about what is going to tick inside?

Cheers,

Daddel.

[TMW]

Mitch-

I like the plans with the top. Gives it a more modern feel, while still playing homage.

My ploprof needs a sibling...

Any ideas on the movement?

[MitchSF]

The 2824 is probably the most logical choice. Any other ideas?

Mitch

[setherd]

I'm confused when Mitch says "the top is not flat"

the drawing looks pretty flat to me.
http://www.deskdivers.com/Site/PloProf.html this link has a side view and it looks flat there as well.

What am I missing?

[GraniteQuarry]

LOVE IT - closer to the original than i was expecting!

Just one thing i'd like to confirm - where's the preorder link!!

DEFO count me in Mitch. :-!

Cheers,
David.

[Malyel]

The 2824 is probably the most logical choice. Any other ideas?

Mitch


OCEAN7 is now an officially registered brand in Switzerland! That means we can order COSC movements with our name on the certificates. We now have 100 Sellita chronometer movements confirmed for 2008. I have no idea when next year though, and no idea what project they will be used in, but I do have some good ideas.

Mitch

I would vote for it being a COSC certified movement! :-! I know I am in the minority but would love to see a COSC thermocompensated quartz model. |>

[MitchSF]

Cannon, we don't have a confirmation on the COSC SW200 movements yet so at this point availability can be any time next year. I don't think a quartz movement is a good choice for this model.

Mitch

[Danny S]

You can't see this in the picture, but the watch is not flat on top like the original PloProf. The lugs and He valve area are angled down, and the crown guard treatment is similar to the LM-6. I'll see if I can post part of the plan. This is not firm, it can be changed.

Mitch

6:00 & 9:00 aspects in the printed plans make the contoured casetop clear. Looks good. Can't imagine anyone complaining about a "flat" top, but the contoured top in this initial drawing looks like a more contemporary "updated" version of the classic assymetric case.

Can't lose either way. Gotta love a win/win decision.

Happy to send non-refundable deposit or payment in full in the morning!

:-!

[jon12w]

I like the sloped case edges and the slightly different dial - im not looking for a 'copy' I guess.
PVD sounds cool too - any thoughts on a Ti or ceramic version of this case Mitch? - and the bezel sounds like it should be superb.

I love my Ploprof, I wear it most weeks and dont consider it too expensive to wear out and about for drinks in the city etc (maybe i should nowadays...)... If I had one of these I might wear that more on Fridays... hmmm...

Still, count me in Mitch.

[W. C. Bartlett]

Like Vic, I think that you have captured the flavor of the original and have done a great job at that. I will not provide one critique for I think it viable as it is.

Assuming it will be cost effective, put me in for one.

By the way I also own the original.

[Peter Atwood]

How about a domed crystal?

[setherd]

AHA! I see the angles now!
Man am I stupid...can't see the forest for the trees

[Joerg Dorr]

Great job :-!, that's the watch many people have been waiting for (me included). So I am sure it will sell like hell.
regards
Joerg

[Joerg Dorr]

Mitch,
I canot stop thinking about this extraordinary watch. It's so different from all other watches and that makes it so special. I wanted to pull the trigger for the LM6, but now I am no longer sure. Do you have a feeling of the pricing yet? And when can we expect this beauty?
regards
Joerg

[NSG1Tausend]

:-p:-p:-p:-p:-p:-p:-p:-p:-p:-p:-p:-p:-p:-p:-p:-p:-p:-p:-p:-p:-p:-p:-p:-p
I have never seen the original in real life or held one, but that is sweet.
If I surivive my divorce I am in. Nice work Mitch.
Regards
Robt
Here is the first round of changes that I think we should make:

The right side is obviously too wide, probably made that way to accomodate a large He valve crown. This will be brought back to scale, and a smaller crown will be used.

Grooved edge crowns should be used, similar to the original.

Change from C1 to C3 lume.

Dial - not sure about adding the inner 5 minute marks, but it would bring the design closer to original. I'm not concerned with keeping the dial close to other OCEAN7 designs, since this watch has a different purpose.

Comments?

Mitch







http://www.ocean7watchco.com/webfiles/LM-81.jpg

[MitchSF]

I don't have any costs yet on this watch. A lot depends on how we make the bezel, and I don't know if the manufacturer will charge a premium to make the mold and manufacture these cases. There is no production schedule for this yet. We'll see when we have more answers.

Mitch

[diverx]

Just a quick alteration of the right side and red He valve.The second one has obviously been reduced more than the first, but is likely closer to the originals specs.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e370/Diverxtr/LM-7.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e370/Diverxtr/LM-81.jpg

[funkright]

and would be more compelling to me :-!

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e370/Diverxtr/LM-81.jpg

[MitchSF]

The right side will be smaller. Originally it was made large so that we could use a 9mm He valve crown, now I think it will be 7mm.

Mitch

[jon12w]

....the second one with 7mm sounds good to me Mitch - it looked a little unbalanced in the pics - quite how that translates to real life I bow to your better judgement.

Did you have any thoughts on a Ti or ceramic version of this case Mitch? Feel free to PM me if you like as I really would love either of those with this sloped case design, the perfect partner to my original PP. :-!

[ksv123]

I agree a smaller HE valve crown is more to scale.

[MitchSF]

I agree. It looks much better balanced. We will bring it closer to the original, although the He valve crown will be smaller.

Mitch

[Danny S]

Domed crystal?

[MitchSF]

Why do you think a domed crystal would benefit this design?

Mitch

[ksv123]

I don't know about the benefits, but they are damn cool to look at.

I would prefer a flat crystal on this model anyway, is is so designy to begin with.

[Danny S]

Why do you think a domed crystal would benefit this design?

Mitch

Looks good on the LM-6. Might compliment the curved top if you stick w/ that design.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/dannyelectro/hand6.gif

[sunnykk]

Me Likey.

Sign me up.

[Broker]

I can't say I've ever posted in this forum but this watch has me looking (hard). I know a ton of people that love the Omega Ploprof but find the "new" pricing tough to swallow. This would curb my craving for one quite nicely. I would be very interested in a price range.

Todd

[bobbysamd]

I know a ton of people that love the Omega Ploprof but find the "new" pricing tough to swallow. This would curb my craving for one quite nicely....Me, too. All I can say is "Wow!" All things being equal, I would be interested. I was interested in an LM-3, but I think now I will wait.

The only comment I'd have is to maintain fidelity with the original PloProf.

I assume a 2824-2 or Selitta movement? What is C3 lume? How is it different from luminova?

[XTrooper]

I assume a 2824-2 or Selitta movement? What is C3 lume? How is it different from luminova?

C3 is Superluminova and is the variant with the brightest glow. ;-)

http://www.rctritec.com/index.php?id=17

[ir-ops]

't was abt time/full support fm my side too, Mitch.
i guess dark blue is a must
brgds/ir-ops

[MitchSF]

Didn't somone mention that the PloProf never came with a black dial, but some blue dials had faded to black?

Mitch

[Donald]

The guy to ask for an expert opinion is "Nalu" and he'll pretty much give you an objective opinion. I would love to get an Ocean 7 Ploprof.

The crown though should be the type that the original Ploprof has in which a locking nut screws in the stem and the seals will hold up for a longer period of time. Instead of the crown screwing in, the stem is pulled into place.

[MitchSF]

Update -

It looks like we can make the acrylic bezel with a sapphire ring on top. We will make sample bezels with and without sapphire. The sample case will be ready in late September. If we do produce the watch, it will be available in December hopefully, but you know how that goes.

I don't have any costs yet. We will probably not be able to offer a warranty on the acrylic or sapphire covered bezel insert.

Mitch

[bobbysamd]

C3 is Superluminova and is the variant with the brightest glow.Helpful. Thanks!

[XTrooper]

Helpful. Thanks!

You bet, amigo. ;-)

[bobbysamd]

I read through the movement comments on the thread. I don't know how much more expensive a COSC 2824-2 or similar Selitta would be. If either movement is not prohibitively expensive, it would be great. Alternatively, how about a well-adjusted standard-grade 2824-2 or Selitta? My DOXAs have well-adjusted, non-chrono 2824-2s and are very reasonably accurate.

I love accuracy, but is chrono-grade accuracy an absolute, hard requirement for a tool watch, especially if price is a consideration.

Once again, hats off to Mitch for even considering producing a product people want.

[Danny S]

I'll second that.. Hat's off to Mitch for sure!

The acrylic, or sapphire capped acrylic insert is a desirable enough feature I'd be more than willing to forego a warranty on the bezel.

I'd like to be able to purchase a spare bezel with the watch just in case though. Think that would be a reasonable possibility?

[MitchSF]

The issue is not what 2824-2 version of the movement we should use, it's which one we can get. We will probably end up with standard or elabore movements.

I was thinking about including a spare bezel with each watch, but it depends on the cost.

Mitch

[JAD3703]

Mitch,

Thanks for considering making this timepiece. It looks really amazing and I've sold three of my favourite watches in preparation for this beauty, when and if it comes out.

A few editorial comments:

-a spare bezel / insert would be a great idea.

-I think that the face was blue on the original and some did fade (mine faded to black, anyway).

-definitely prefer a flat crystal to a domed one (domed ones pick up more than their share of scuffs, scratches and such).

-a higher end and more accurate movement would be a great idea, as long as it would not excessively increase the per-unit price and would not overly delay the release date.

Anyway, if and when you start taking names, please put me down for one. I've already warned off the frau that this is coming down the tracks and it will take the place of the Ploprof that was stolen from me a couple of years ago.

Best regards,

James

[Broker]

I can't take it anymore. I'm in. And I'm a diehard Breitling fanatic. Good job Mitch.

Todd

[jon12w]

Mitch, Nalu is away but I can fill you in. The Ploprof only came with a blue dial. Often in pictures the dials look black, but Omega didnt offer a black dial.

Good idea on the spare bezel. Id defo take up that option. I assume it wont fit the Omega?

I do wonder if a domed xtal might actually suit the case shape if you go for the one with the angles (which would be my presffered look - I dont want it to look too much like the original), but I am sure it would be a simple thing to check the look once you get a case.

[Reed]

Definitely will be a cool watch. I'm in.

[MitchSF]

I'll check my PloProf dial to see if I can find a Pantone color that is close.

A domed crystal is a possibility, but I think a flat crystal will work better with this design.

The bezel will be very close in size to the original PloProf, but it will not fit the PloProf.

Mitch

[JAD3703]

Mitch,

Are you at the point of being able to talk about a rough price envelope as of yet? Just so I know how much I've got to plan for.

Thanks,

James

[MitchSF]

I don't have any costs yet on this project. Hopefully soon.

Mitch

[ksv123]

ooooooooooh the anticipation, even for each nibble Mitch gives us about LM-7.

[ventura]

Count me in Mitch too. I want just one watch for everything and this will be it. May have to get rid of my Kontiki and SM300 though :-(

[PloProf Pimp]

WOW Mitch, it takes a lot to impress me. Coming from a PloProf expert, ya' done good kid! I'll take one. :-!

[MitchSF]

WOW Mitch, it takes a lot to impress me. Coming from a PloProf expert, ya' done good kid! I'll take one. :-!

If the PloProf Pimp likes it, we must be doing something right!

Mitch

[Broker]

If the PloProf Pimp likes it, we must be doing something right!

Mitch

Clearly the green light.

Todd

[jon12w]

To be honest the PPPimp knows more about the Ploprof than pretty much anyone, so im glad he has chimed in and likes what he sees.

PPPimp - Good to see you here my good friend. :)

[DEMO111]

If the PloProf Pimp likes it, we must be doing something right!

Mitch

:-d~:-d~:-d

[geremy]

I really love PloProfs and this watch would assure my first Ocean7 purchase, and the watch looks very nice. Some comments:

1) Dark blue dial is a total necessity.
2) A domed crystal cuts down on reflections and makes the watch more useable, especially underwater.
3) I am not sure how you plan to make the helium valve red. If it is simple anodize (Al?), the bright red will fade quickly to pink, especially with exposure to the sun. At least that is my experience with aluminum parts.

[ksv123]

3) I am not sure how you plan to make the helium valve red. If it is simple anodize (Al?), the bright red will fade quickly to pink, especially with exposure to the sun. At least that is my experience with aluminum parts.


I wonder what the original was made of?

[Dragoon]

Considering the era that the original Proplof was made I would think the HE valve was made from something like Bakelite. Remeber the bowling ball?


3) I am not sure how you plan to make the helium valve red. If it is simple anodize (Al?), the bright red will fade quickly to pink, especially with exposure to the sun. At least that is my experience with aluminum parts.


I wonder what the original was made of?

[Victor Boyd]

3) I am not sure how you plan to make the helium valve red. If it is simple anodize (Al?), the bright red will fade quickly to pink, especially with exposure to the sun. At least that is my experience with aluminum parts.


I wonder what the original was made of?

The PloProf did not have a He Valve .....the red button is the Bezel lock ...need to press it to rotate the bezel.

Cheers,
Vic :-)

[bobbysamd]

If the PloProf Pimp likes it, we must be doing something right!Great screenname, anyway! :-)The PloProf did not have a He Valve .....the red button is the Bezel lock ...need to press it to rotate the bezel.Hopefully, that will be replicated in the LM-7.

[diverx]

Just to clarify, the red crown will be a helium release valve. As far as anodized aluminum, I believe it is dependent upon the process and the quality of the application. Red (and blue) Seiko bezel inserts are notorious for fading. On the other hand I have red anodized quick releases on wheels and seats on several mountain bikes exposed to the elements and the sun with no negative effects. I'm not an expert, but these experiences tell me the fade is associated with the process, and not necessarily the color red.

[ksv123]

Reality is how many of us that purchase these divers really dive to depths that utilize a HE valve?

I would prefer it if it locked the bezel like the original.

[XTrooper]

Ken,

People want to see an HRV on their higher-end dive watch irrespective of whether it'll ever be needed or not, this is the reality of today's market.

[Danny S]

Ken,

People want to see an HRV on their higher-end dive watch irrespective of whether it'll ever be needed or not, this is the reality of today's market.

And while a bezel lock would be a great feature.. keeping productions realities in mind, I'm ecstatic with the LM-7 as-is!

:-!

[PloProf Pimp]

And while a bezel lock would be a great feature.. keeping productions realities in mind, I'm ecstatic with the LM-7 as-is!

:-!

I don't need an HEV on my high-end dive watches. I've owned a coupla of nice dive watches in my day and never cared if they had an HEV or not. If it keeps the cost down, nix the HEV. :-!

[S.L]

I've had a few divers, of which some probably could be classified as higher-end (matter of perspective of course) and IIRC only one of them has had a HRV.
I'd also love to see it dropped in favor of a bezel lock mechanism instead, but I think that issue is firmly decided already by Mitch.

Unless I misunderstood, this design path was taken in order to avoid the wrath of Omega (they have gone after independent actors on the watch market before).

/Stefan

[MitchSF]

I don't think the price will be out of line with other OCEAN7 watches. We have never made any production decisions based on cost. We make the watch the way everyone wants it to be made, and that formula has worked out well so far.

The sapphire bezel top will increase the cost substantially, so we'll see if it's worth the extra cash. I think we will have to order 200 cases, which is not a big positive in favor of going ahead with production.

Mitch

[richierich]

Why would 200 cases not be a positive fro going ahead? Not only am I in for a LM-6 PVD GMT LE, I'm absolutely in for one of these bad boys and I am crossing my fingers they get produced.

[Danny S]

Understandable to be concerned about moving 200 units within a reasonable timeframe.

Think the hunger for an affordable PloProf "type" watch is being underestimated though. The same 20 guys aren't bidding up each SM600 that hits the 'bay. Don't you think a significant percentage of those bidders for each Ploprof would gladly spend ~$1k for a quality built "near" PloProf.

I've gotta believe enthusiasm for this project is going to be surprisingly easy to whip up.

50 LM-1s were spoken for based upon no more than Mitch & LaHugh's foresight. The LM-7 has an increasingly established name & maker behind it, a successful track record of preceding models, not to mention the head start of shared design features with a revered icon in the divewatch world.

50 LM-1s? Now that was a gamble.

200 LM-7s? That oughta be a lock!

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/dannyelectro/hand6.gif

[MitchSF]

Good points. We also have to get movements, something that isn't easy to do these days.

I don't remember the final stats for the LM-1, but I think we took preorders for around 80-100 watches, and about half of those who placed orders, followed through. All 150 watches sold out within four months.

Mitch

[ksv123]

well that sounds like a score to me. 4 months and sold out.

I think the LM7 would sell out as well.

[bobbysamd]

Think the hunger for an affordable PloProf "type" watch is being underestimated though....I've gotta believe enthusiasm for this project is going to be surprisingly easy to whip up.Sure, it's underestimated. As I am posting this message, this thread has been viewed 2,820 times. Of course, many people, including me, have viewed it multiple times. Nonetheless, so many viewings would indicate the LM-7 has generated major interest.

With such interest, and assuming affordability, IMHO, Mitch should easily sell out two hundred units long before he makes the watches. Sort of like Eddie's Dreadnought.

[Broker]

I agree with Bobby. 3 pages and tons of I'll take one already without even talking price. Only 3 other threads on this forum have garnered this much attention with replies. And at this point, it's just a concept. I think this is a no brainer. But I'm just a watch buyer, not a maker. What if I say "pretty please" Mitch?

Todd

[MitchSF]

I think the chances are excellent that we will do this, but let's see what the costs look like before committing to the project. I would like to keep the retail price well under $1k.

Mitch

[Guido Muldoon]

I can't speak for others Mitch but I've declared a personal moratorium on further watch purchases until I have either a confirmed order/reservation for an LM-7 or you declare the project dead. I'm not taking ANY chance of being cash poor if and when you pull the trigger.

[bobbysamd]

I can't speak for others, Mitch, but I've declared a personal moratorium on further watch purchases until I have either a confirmed order/reservation for an LM-7 or you declare the project dead. I'm not taking ANY chance of being cash poor if and when you pull the trigger.Me, too.

[Danny S]

I can't speak for others Mitch but I've declared a personal moratorium on further watch purchases until I have either a confirmed order/reservation for an LM-7 or you declare the project dead. I'm not taking ANY chance of being cash poor if and when you pull the trigger.

Well good! ..glad I'm not the only one!

Nothing else on the horizon with this kind of appeal. The wife's even commented how few new boxes were being delivered these days. I'm just not going to risk being short on "watch money" when the green light comes out for this one.

o|

[MitchSF]

I'll have costs from the manufacturer tomorrow. We should be able to make a decision on this within the next few days.

Mitch

[ksv123]

excitement builds.

[ventura]

You know you want to Mitchell.

[mr2blue]

Mitch,

I am in as well. Still have the trusty LM-1 LE and I would love this new one as well. It would be interesting to see it next to an original Ploprof one day in the future.

[richierich]

I just bought my first O7, an LM-1 LE from someone on TZ. I jumped at it and was lucky; 300 views in less than 24 hours. I don't know if this is a theme that has been sounded on before, but I believe that 07 has hit on something very big and that these watches should be future collectibles.

IMHO if Mitch helped them be collectibles that would only be in the brands best interest. How could he help them be collectibles? Well making 200 Ploprof pieces, and then not making them again would be a good start. The limited editions and overall low numbers of 07's being produced are a huge positive as well. I'm a buyer and seller and I do it for subsistence while in law school, and I see GIGANTIC upside in 07's future value. Am I alone in this line of thought? Is it gauche to view something one is passionate about in financial terms? For me the two are inextricably linked. Suffice it to say, I want the Ploprof produced because I want to wear it and I want it to go up in value. (And if they come out, I'm buying 2: one to wear and one to put away!)

[Broker]

I think the chances are excellent that we will do this, but let's see what the costs look like before committing to the project. I would like to keep the retail price well under $1k.

Mitch

I was hoping that this would be a sub 1k watch. I guess time will tell with costs though. Not knowing the brand, what is the typical production time from decision to go with a model to actual shipping of watches on average?

Todd

[Joerg Dorr]

Mitch,
will you take preorders? If yes, you can count me in.
regards
Joerg

[Guido Muldoon]

Me too Mitch. I'll pre-order, send a deposit (non-refundable if required) or pay the entire price up front yesterday, tomorrow, next month..... just say the word.

[richierich]

I'll give a deposit yesterday, and for two pieces!

[MitchSF]

We can have a sample at the end of September, and full production in December. Of course that could mean January or February.

Mitch

[Guido Muldoon]

Mitch, I truly believe that, at this price point, the LM-7 will be hotter than the LM-1. I can't imagine that they would not be sold out in record time. Certainly within 6 weeks of first offering.

[diverx]

O.K. Mitch. This may not be the most scientific method of determining interest, but a poll asking how many folks would consider putting half down on the preliminary numbers may be a good barometer. If the poll results look favorable, you can open a window of opportunity for pre-orders which can help with funding and again show how much true interest there is ( as in putting your money where your mouth is). Just a thought, because I'm in on this one, just as I was and am in on the LM-6. I'm willing to ante up right now. Whaddya' think?

[Guido Muldoon]

O.K. Mitch. This may not be the most scientific method of determining interest, but a poll asking how many folks would consider putting half down on the preliminary numbers may be a good barometer. If the poll results look favorable, you can open a window of opportunity for pre-orders which can help with funding and again show how much true interest there is ( as in putting your money where your mouth is). Just a thought, because I'm in on this one, just as I was and am in on the LM-6. I'm willing to ante up right now. Whaddya' think?

AMEN Brad !! I think a fair number of us have echoed those exact sentiments. I bought my LM-1 from an original owner & my LM-2, LM-3 from Mitch and I will sell my nephews into bonded servitude if necessary to get an LM-7.

[Guido Muldoon]

You all know I'm kidding about the bonded servitude thing, right?

[mr2blue]

I will send a 50% deposit today:-!

[Danny S]

You all know I'm kidding about the bonded servitude thing, right?

We know you're kidding.. We've all got nephews too! (..none of mine are worth selling into servitude!)

:rodekaart

Given this size minimum case order, I'm sure most of us would be happy to put up a hefty deposit to offset manufacturing expenses a little.

Sapphire & Acrylic inserts each have their own advantages/disadvantages. Straight acrylic is a little more "vintage", sap is obviously more durable. Sounds like an executive decision to me Mitch, whichever you're more comfortable with. Don't believe $80 or $100 would be a deal-breaker either way.

Don't know what your feelings are about ebay sales Mitch, but a couple of other "independent" makers move significant volume there as well. Just a thought.

Thrilled to see this project get this far! More than happy to send a %50 deposit on two ASAP.

Sure looks good so far! :-!

[MitchSF]

I really hate to take deposits, but from experience I know that if we don't take deposits, at least half the preorders won't be claimed.

Money is not the issue. I don't mind funding this project, but I'd hate to make 300 cases and build 100-200 watches, only to find that just a few very enthusiastic customers were interested in this design, which is certainly far from mainstream and may be a difficult sell to the general public.

I think as a first step we will set up a poll. It will be public, so we can see who preorders, but doesn't follow through with a deposit. That should give us a better idea of how many are interested.

Mitch

[mr2blue]

Mitch,

I volunteer to send the first deposit via PayPal today. Just set a number and I personally know 10 guys that will follow suit immediately to get the ball rolling. In fact I will buy 2.

[Broker]

At that price I am most certainly in. I don't know about everybody else but I can pony up half or all to be on the pre-order list. I have a watch on the chopping block in anticipation of this one. As I'm typing this 8 people are viewing the thread.

Todd

[GloriaRedStang]

I'm not one of the PloProf devotees, but at that projected price point, I would have to consider the LM-7 an "offer you can't refuse".

A 90% faithful rendition (my characterization, I haven't been following this thread closely) of what is universally considered to be the premier tool dive watch of all time, produced by a company with an excellent track record in both quality and service. With that reasoning, I think I could talk my wife into backing this purchase.

Come on, as a non-PloProf fan, I'm still in and ready to put my money down now.

[MitchSF]

The He valve crown has to be made out of aluminum, if we are planning on anodizing it red. If this isn't important, we should make it stainless.

I'm not sure how well the anodized coating will hold up in salt water.

What do you think?

Mitch

[wielingab]

where have I been, must be on vacation,to mis such a post. I would like tosay, count me in, but I allready ordered the Stingray, so must keep my wallet closed sometime.

Maybe if the (pre)ordering starts around november/december, hmmmm, what the heck, count me in for one, I will raise the funds when needed anyway..

Regards,

Bart

Must say the smaller He valve (must be red), looks much better. Maybe some kind of locking of the bezel, like some of the old Citizen professional watches, or the IWC GST Aquatimer, push and turn, let go and lock. Is this an option?

Inner bezel markings is a must. Acrylic bezel is fine enough, scratches are easily removed (maybe it is an option to supply an extra bezel (insert) standard with the watch, for future use?)

[aikiman44]

Okay, late to this thread (I'm still trying to decide which/how many LM-6's I want).

Which post(s) show a close rendition or description of the LM-7?

(Do I use too many parentheses?)

[Danny S]

The He valve crown has to be made out of aluminum, if we are planning on anodizing it red. If this isn't important, we should make it stainless.

I'm not sure how well the anodized coating will hold up in salt water.

What do you think?

Mitch

Think Red's going to be pretty important for the "look". Anodized Al is not a terribly sturdy finish though. Not up to date on industrial resins or plastics (updated bakelite) but that might be worth looking into.

:think:

[Broker]

I went back and counted a solid 21 "I'm buying one". 6 people made a positive comment about buying but wouldn't consider it solid.

Todd

[diverx]

The He valve crown has to be made out of aluminum, if we are planning on anodizing it red. If this isn't important, we should make it stainless.

I'm not sure how well the anodized coating will hold up in salt water.

What do you think?

Mitch


I'll pull one of the quick releases off of one of my rides and start submerging it in salt water. We'll see how it holds up. I agree that red is not critical, but would certainly lend itself to the overall finished product. I have to do some thinking on alternatives.

[ksv123]

I am in on 1 at least.

I have already started to thin out my collection to have funds.

Mitch, can we choose serial numbers? :-d

[ksv123]

I'll pull one of the quick releases off of one of my rides and start submerging it in salt water. We'll see how it holds up. I agree that red is not critical, but would certainly lend itself to the overall finished product. I have to do some thinking on alternatives.


Brad, were in Allentown is saltwater?

I could stop at the beach on my drive home and do a test as well.

[HK Shooter]

If you really want to get the interest up for this, you should post some of the design plans on other forums. You have the whole world at your disposal, selling 200-300 watches can't be that hard when you are building such an awesome watch with such a great history associated to it. I saw Roger Ruegger post a little note on his blog, and I bet that something like this can't hurt... ;-) http://rruegger.blogspot.com/

I realize that some people might frown upon the "homage" concept and would concider it a copy, but we know better since we have been "developing" this watch with you. :-!

[diverx]

Brad, were in Allentown is saltwater?

I could stop at the beach on my drive home and do a test as well.
Oh, a wise guy eh? That's pretty good. I'll just do it in my kitchen, but I know I'll have to wait in the line-up, 'cuz the kids are wave stealing groms! Joking aside, is there much difference between sea water and kitchen salt water. I honestly don't know. I'll do some looking.

[ksv123]

HAHA, Brad I really don't know if there is a difference.

I was just joking around.

I will try to get some water from the dead sea, now that would be a salty test.

Oh, a wise guy eh? That's pretty good. I'll just do it in my kitchen, but I know I'll have to wait in the line-up, 'cuz the kids are wave stealing groms! Joking aside, is there much difference between sea water and kitchen salt water. I honestly don't know. I'll do some looking.

[MitchSF]

I thinik it's really hard to gauge interest. At the moment, four people have committed, based on the poll.

I'll ask the mechanical engineer about anodizing and salt water.

Mitch

[ksv123]

Mitch is it really 59mm wide including crown and he valve.
Or am I reading the drawing wrong?

What are the specs of the original PloProf?

[MitchSF]

The size of the watch is almost exactly the same as the original. Angles and other details will be different. I don't have my PloProf handy to measure the width.

Mitch

[Danny S]

Yep, the PP is a good sized diver. OTOH, it's not that large these days.

Couple of photos snatched from the web of Cousteau's team... and a surreptitous shot of our own Colin (Nalu) in his PloProf as well.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z240/SM120C/Cousteau.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z240/SM120C/Cousteau1.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z240/SM120C/ColinNalu.jpg

[ksv123]

awesome.

is that really nalu?

[Danny S]

awesome.

is that really nalu?

He said it was!

(..can't prove it by me.. I didn't take the picture, I just liberated it! )

:-d

[mr2blue]

THIS KIND OF SHOWS A SIZE COMPARISON

SM120 CHRONO- 44MM
SM200- 42 MM
PLOPROF- PRETTY BIG

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o263/mr2dark/OMEGA3BEST.jpg

[ISAIL]

The He valve crown has to be made out of aluminum, if we are planning on anodizing it red. If this isn't important, we should make it stainless.

I'm not sure how well the anodized coating will hold up in salt water.

What do you think?

Mitch

Hmmmm. I think RED and holding up in saltwater are both very important. I want one more than I want an original (because I can wear it with less fear), but these two things are a must for me.

While I'm at it, I vote for sapphire bezel.

Last but not least, I love the poll, but think its premature. A single design aspect can
turn a WIS off a watch for good. Once the design the details are finalized is the time for the poll. For me, if the classic O7 dial is used I'm in. If it gets the extra 5 minute marks I'm less enthusiastic, because I don't like them, and it becomes more a copy, less an O7 homage.

[Broker]

Mitch,

While we're creating this wish list, how about adding a choice of cool straps to buy with the watch. I still think this is strange. I've never been involved in a drawing to having a watch sit on my wrist. If this works it will be a first for me.

Todd

[bobbysamd]

THIS KIND OF SHOWS A SIZE COMPARISON

SM120 CHRONO- 44MM
SM200- 42 MM
PLOPROF- PRETTY BIG

Great pic!

[MitchSF]

Todd, if we go ahead with this, it will work. Several straps will be offered, and the metal bracelet that we are making for the LM-2.

So far only 14 have committed to the project. That doesn't look very good.

Mitch

[Automatic]

I agree put a non refundable deposit for the watch on a preorder list. That is if your costs are locked in and wont end up costing you out of pocket should a problem occur.

[GraniteQuarry]

Mitch it's time......

PRE-ORDER LINK
PRE-ORDER LINK
PRE-ORDER LINK

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-d

Cheers,
David.

[Broker]

Todd, if we go ahead with this, it will work. Several straps will be offered, and the metal bracelet that we are making for the LM-2.

So far only 14 have committed to the project. That doesn't look very good.

Mitch

Great. By my calculations you have 15 definites and one guy will take 2. 16 altogether. 284 more to go. But seriously, shouldn't this even get a mention on the dive forum? I'm thinking you can add a minimum of 25 orders by just mentioning it there. I don't know the etiquette with our sponsored fora though.

Todd

[MitchSF]

If you guys want to mention this on other forums, that's fine with me. I'd be careful on certain forums, though. You probably know which one(s) I'm referring to.

Mitch

[XTrooper]

Hint: Mitch doesn't mean the Dive Watches Forum. ;-)

If someone wants to post a link to the OCEAN7 PloProf thread in the DWF, that's fine with me.

[mr2blue]

Lets not get our panties in a bunch. I am a vintage Omega collector and I think it is a great idea for a watch.:-!

[MitchSF]

Yes, I mean other, non-WUS forums.

Mitch

[HK Shooter]

Mitch, you realize you have almost 4,000views for this thread..... you only need 60 confirmed sales to go ahead. I'll take these stats any day. :-!

[geremy]

The red is never going to work. Even if it would hold up in salt water, it will turn pink due to UV exposure in no time.

I would seriously consider making the He valve of stainless steel and then casting some red plastic/resin caps that fit over the top. Worse comes to worse the plastic caps are replaceable. It would also look closer to the original ploprof. Maybe even red rubber nipples.

[setherd]

The red is never going to work. Even if it would hold up in salt water, it will turn pink due to UV exposure in no time.

I would seriously consider making the He valve of stainless steel and then casting some red plastic/resin caps that fit over the top. Worse comes to worse the plastic caps are replaceable. It would also look closer to the original ploprof. Maybe even red rubber nipples.


I was also thinking that the aluminum may be more prone to getting banged up just because of where it is located. Perhaps a ploprof owner could comment if the red button gets banged around a lot.

[dowsing]

Wow, came back to work to read today and it's all happening :-)

Please put me down for one Mitch ...number 33, if we can choose serials. Thanks

[Flashharry]

Mitch

This looks great and I highly likely buy one.

Are the numbers on the bezel going to be lumed with C3 as well ?

Neal

[NMehring]

I want one..count me in

[MitchSF]

As an incentive to those who preorder, the retail price will be $995, with preorders selling for $875. Also, preorders will get a break on the band. We will use the same band that will be available for the LM-2, but in stainless, of course.

Mitch

[MitchSF]

I just received word from the engineer, that the anodized button will not do well in salt water. Maybe we will include two crowns - one red anodized aluminum, and another in stainless.

Also, we will probably make some in black pvd with orange dials.

Mitch

[TMW]

Now I am in for 2 definetly....a regular and a PVD...

Mitch - awesome.

Todd

[Broker]

I just received word from the engineer, that the anodized button will not do well in salt water. Maybe we will include two crowns - one red anodized aluminum, and another in stainless.

Also, we will probably make some in black pvd with orange dials.

Mitch

I would make extra buttons. Just in case some get dinged up.

Todd

[MitchSF]

We will definitely make spare parts.

I'm visiting this case factory in three weeks. We will discuss every point in detail. I'm making a list now.

Mitch

[HK Shooter]

Have you thought about using a weapons paint like the Duracoat or so to put over the stainless steel crown? They are fairly duarable!

http://www.duracoat-firearm-finishes.com/

[MitchSF]

Have you thought about using a weapons paint like the Duracoat or so to put over the stainless steel crown? They are fairly duarable!

http://www.duracoat-firearm-finishes.com/

This is an interesting idea, but it would really complicate things. The factory would have to take the thickness of the coating into consideration. They do this now with pvd. Also, the production run would have to ship to the duracoat factory, then back to the case factory. A lot of time would be lost, and maybe unanticipated problems would arise.

Regarding the He valve, we can make a red plastic covered stainless button. There is a mold charge for the part (it seems like there is a mold charge for everything), and it would be no more durable than the red button on the PloProf.

At this point the button choices are:

red anodized aluminum
red plastic over stainless
stainless

Maybe making a red anodized aluminum button and a stainless button is the way to go. It depends how hard it will be to swap them. I have a feeling that the watch will have to be disassembled, to get a screw driver behind the He valve.

Mitch

[HK Shooter]

I vote red plastic over stainless
:-!

[Guido Muldoon]

Red plastic over stainless.

[Broker]

This is an interesting idea, but it would really complicate things. The factory would have to take the thickness of the coating into consideration. They do this now with pvd. Also, the production run would have to ship to the duracoat factory, then back to the case factory. A lot of time would be lost, and maybe unanticipated problems would arise.

Regarding the He valve, we can make a red plastic covered stainless button. There is a mold charge for the part (it seems like there is a mold charge for everything), and it would be no more durable than the red button on the PloProf.

At this point the button choices are:

red anodized aluminum
red plastic over stainless
stainless

Maybe making a red anodized aluminum button and a stainless button is the way to go. It depends how hard it will be to swap them. I have a feeling that the watch will have to be disassembled, to get a screw driver behind the He valve.

Mitch

Red plastic over stainless.

[ksv123]

I agree red over steel, this way if the red button gets lost you still have the SS valve.

[JohnnyP]

Mitch,

More of a lurker, but add me to the list. Not sure if anyone's asked, bur anychance of a mesh bracelet.

Cheers, JP

[JAD3703]

Mitch,

Red plastic over stainless is my vote, also. Would there be a couple of spare caps that come along with the package / available to add at time of purchase? Guaranteed I'll loose the first one!

And great idea about the spare bezel! I'd also buy the bracelet up front.

Awesome news about the sapphire crystal and the break on both the purchase price and the bracelet for the pre-orders.

Any confirmation on the movement (ETA or Sellita)?

BTW, I finally got around to voting (I'm #44! I'm #44!).

Ciao,

James

[travlnlt]

Red plastic over stainless.

[IanM]

Hi Mitch and members
I joined the site today specifically to ensure that my name appears as a depositer/buyer in support of the LM-7 proiject, too.
I'm in!
IanM

[ksv123]

Hi Mitch and members
I joined the site today specifically to ensure that my name appears as a depositer/buyer in support of the LM-7 proiject, too.
I'm in!
IanM


Thanks Ian and welcome.

[Nalu]

Mitch, the LM-7 looks fantastic! I like the idea of a red HEV and understand, as we discussed, the reasons for not going for a bezel lock. A uni-directional bezel is the standard and will suit this watch very well. I think a flat xtal will look best on this watch, but that may be something to be judged best in a prototype.

I would add the 5 minute markers. The addition would be a good way to differentiate it from the other O7 dials.

I'm less sure than others about a PVD version. With a black dial, I think it would look sharp - I'm not so sure about PVD with a blue dial.

Regardless, I'll be in for two watches. Of course, you'll have to hold them for me until 2009 :-(;-)

PS - yes, the pic Danny posted is of me!

[dowsing]

I'm thinking that red plastic/modern bakelite over stainless also would be more in keeping with the original.

I'm intrigued to know more about the PVD version with an orange dial, sounds like it could be great.

Also I think that a mesh strap would be a much better option to go on it, have you any plans on looking into mesh straps at all?

[XTrooper]

Hi Mitch and members
I joined the site today specifically to ensure that my name appears as a depositer/buyer in support of the LM-7 proiject, too.
I'm in!
IanM

Welcome Aboard, Ian! :-!

[SeikoSickness]

I'm intrigued to know more about the PVD version with an orange dial, sounds like it could be great.

Yes, I too am curious what a black PVD with orange dial would look like. I've got images of a B&R Intrument-like watch....

[MitchSF]

If we make a pvd version, and it is easy to do, it will use a sandblasted, pvd coated case, and an orange dial similar to the LM-6. We can also make a B&R type dial in black, with orange lume. The problem with orange lume though, is that light orange is 54% as bright as C3, and dark orange is only 27% as bright as C3 (which is the 100% reference used by RC Tritec).

Mitch

[MitchSF]

Mitch, the LM-7 looks fantastic! I like the idea of a red HEV and understand, as we discussed, the reasons for not going for a bezel lock. A uni-directional bezel is the standard and will suit this watch very well. I think a flat xtal will look best on this watch, but that may be something to be judged best in a prototype.

I would add the 5 minute markers. The addition would be a good way to differentiate it from the other O7 dials.

I'm less sure than others about a PVD version. With a black dial, I think it would look sharp - I'm not so sure about PVD with a blue dial.

Regardless, I'll be in for two watches. Of course, you'll have to hold them for me until 2009 :-(;-)
PS - yes, the pic Danny posted is of me!

Colin, considering what you do, holding the watches until you return, is not an issue. They will be waiting for you.

We still have to decide on using a dark blue dial, or a black dial. I think on a pvd version, either black or orange would be nice.

The next drawing will show the 5 minute markers.

Mitch

[SeikoSickness]

We can also make a B&R type dial in black, with orange lume. The problem with orange lume though, is that light orange is 54% as bright as C3, and dark orange is only 27% as bright as C3 (which is the 100% reference used by RC Tritec).

I haven't seen how bright the B&R lume is on the coloured hands/numbers. Would they be using the same lume material as you? Alternatively, using white (C1 I believe) would be OK. The watch would still look quite nice and have the simplicity that I'm looking for.

[Danny S]

I'm thinking that red plastic/modern bakelite over stainless also would be more in keeping with the original.

Agree about the red "cap" over SS. If the stainless He "crown" was splined it would be easy to grip when "bare", and easy to replace the red "cap" as well.


We still have to decide on using a dark blue dial, or a black dial. I think on a pvd version, either black or orange would be nice.

The next drawing will show the 5 minute markers.

Mitch

OUCH! I thought the Blue dial was a done deal! :-s

Tough to decide between an Orange, or a B&R style Black dial w/ the PVD case. Both would look Fantastique!

|>

[HK Shooter]

It's going to happen! Thanks Mitch :-! I just saw you placed the order for the cases.

By the way, I like the 5min marks as this seems to be an open item. Have you had any more ideas about dial color? I think a deep dark blue would be great.

[Nalu]

I'm thinking that red plastic/modern bakelite over stainless also would be more in keeping with the original.

I'm intrigued to know more about the PVD version with an orange dial, sounds like it could be great.

Also I think that a mesh strap would be a much better option to go on it, have you any plans on looking into mesh straps at all?

"The original" was a push button lock for the bezel. Quite a different matter to make an HEV like this. For one, I wouldn't trust plastic for such a job. Mitch is on track with the red anodised HEV IMO.

A black dial with PVD would look good - orange or C1 would be the goods on such a dial. A very diff't look from the original and quite striking (if the PVD LM-1 is any indication).

[MitchSF]

I would like to know what B&R uses, too. The special editions that I've seen use blue, red, and grey lume. It would be great if someone who has one, can compare the lume to C3. We use C3 on the LM-1LE and LM-2.

Dark red is at the bottom of the scale, at 22% compared to C3. Light red is 48%. The chart I have doesn't show grey colors, possibly because they are new.

Mitch

[Broker]

I agree with the dark blue dial. That way you can change straps between blue and black with relative ease. Red crown also sounds interesting. Would be excited to see a drawing if you are going back to the board anyway.

Todd

[MitchSF]

"The original" was a push button lock for the bezel. Quite a different matter to make an HEV like this. For one, I wouldn't trust plastic for such a job. Mitch is on track with the red anodised HEV IMO.

A black dial with PVD would look good - orange or C1 would be the goods on such a dial. A very diff't look from the original and quite striking (if the PVD LM-1 is any indication).

Colin, we can use a plastic cap over a stainless crown, for the HEV. The issue with anodized aluminum is that it would not hold up in salt water and UV.

I think we settled on a dark blue dial, but the color is open for discussion.

Mitch

[TMW]

Looking forward to the next mockups...

could you do a pvd mockup also - that will be an impressive piece - either with the orange dial, or the black dial with orange, although I am leaning towards the later...

[MitchSF]

This watch is made by a different factory, and a different group made the cad drawing. It is not as easy to get revisions. Once the design is finalized, we'll see about a pvd drawing.

Mitch

[ksv123]

Colin, we can use a plastic cap over a stainless crown, for the HEV. The issue with anodized aluminum is that it would not hold up in salt water and UV.

I think we settled on a dark blue dial, but the color is open for discussion.

Mitch

I think the dial needs to be really dark blue, almost to black.

I would like to see the 5 minute markers as well.


I am not to keen on the pvd'd model.

So the case order has been placed. Is this true?

[MitchSF]

The case order was placed yesterday, and our engineer visited the case factory today, to finalize the plan.

Mitch

[ksv123]

The case order was placed yesterday, and our engineer visited the case factory today, to finalize the plan.

Mitch

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!

[TMW]

Mitch - sorry...I meant to say "DRAWINGS" not mockups...Anxious to see the next set.

[Malyel]

Here is a mock up showing the dial with 5 minute markers. :think:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h284/Malyel/LM-7.jpg

and the previously posted design without the markers.

http://www.ocean7watchco.com/webfiles/LM-81.jpg

[diverx]

Here it is with a reduction on the right side: the second one was just added(slightly more reduced, same size crown).

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e370/Diverxtr/LM-712.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e370/Diverxtr/LM-71.jpg

[ksv123]

BAM, thats it.


Here it is with a reduction on the right side:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e370/Diverxtr/LM-712.jpg

[MitchSF]

It really does look a lot better with the right side put in proportion, although the HEV crown will have to be made smaller because the case thickness at that point is around 7mm.

What do you think about the 5 minute marks. Our next revision will also show an outline around the date window.

Mitch

[diverx]

I would like the five minute marks and a dark blue dial. Concerning the reduction on the right side. The red crown size was reduced to 80% of the original size, so if the original was 9mm, this mockup shows the crown as 7.2mm.

[Jonmurgie]

My first thoughts on this having decided it's a "must have" piece is for a very dark blue dial (that will often look black) and the 5 minute markers as it's just one more little style to take from the PloProf... also it's a must with the thinned down R/H side, just sets the proportion off far better

http://www.canong3.co.uk/LM-7_blue.jpg

Not sure what outline your planning on the date window seeing as the dial is dark and with date is on a white background?

[bobbysamd]

I vote for keeping the watch faithful to the original PloProf for one of the versions.

What are the plans for the caseback and strap or bracelet?

[Jonmurgie]

Ah, looking at the original again I see about the date outline... here's my mockup (bored this afternoon!)

http://www.canong3.co.uk/LM-7_outline.jpg

[Broker]

Ah, looking at the original again I see about the date outline... here's my mockup (bored this afternoon!)



Nice but I still think I like the bigger RH side. I think at this point the case is ordered and will be crafted to specs though.

Todd

[ksv123]

I think the outline works great. I prefer the black dial though.


Ah, looking at the original again I see about the date outline... here's my mockup (bored this afternoon!)

http://www.canong3.co.uk/LM-7_outline.jpg

[mr2blue]

It really does look a lot better with the right side put in proportion, although the HEV crown will have to be made smaller because the case thickness at that point is around 7mm.

What do you think about the 5 minute marks. Our next revision will also show an outline around the date window.

Mitch

I personally think the 5 minute markers make it look busy, but I will but it either way.

[Danny S]

Ah, looking at the original again I see about the date outline... here's my mockup (bored this afternoon!)

http://www.canong3.co.uk/LM-7_outline.jpg

Mein Gott in Himmel!! ..Is this gorgeous or What!!

If we can compromise on a Blue/Black dial.. (extremely dark Blue) I'd be happy w/ that as well, but I sure hope we can retain some kind of Blue in the dial.

Either way though, this watch is leagues cooler than I'd dared hope. Lets get the ball rolling quickly (..before the "Cease & Desist" letter comes!) :-x

[Guido Muldoon]

It really does look a lot better with the right side put in proportion, although the HEV crown will have to be made smaller because the case thickness at that point is around 7mm.

What do you think about the 5 minute marks. Our next revision will also show an outline around the date window.

Mitch

I think the case proportions are great but the 5 minute marks really clutter up the dial IMHO. An outline around the date window might be cool. I kind of like square date windows with rounded corners and outlines. I also prefer a dark blue dial.

[TMW]

I am for the Dark Blue Dial...WITHOUT the 5 min markers. I thought I would prefer with - but may be looking too busy. But they both work.

[bobbysamd]

I still think that keeping the watch as faithful as possible to the original PloProf is really the best way to go. After all, isn't the PloProf what we are lusting for and why we are so excited that Mitch proposes to recreate it? Food for thought.

I am shameless borrowing these photos from elsewhere on the 'net to illustrate my point.

http://www.ukwatches.com/Jan02/ploprof.jpg

http://www.gvlwatch.com/images/Immagine_4590.jpg

[MitchSF]

I agree that it looks busy with the 5 minute marks, but so does the original PloProf.

I can't imagine that we will have a problem with Omega. The case outline and crown position are really the only things we have in common with the PloProf. The case shape itself is very different. As we discussed, the top is not flat. How many exact copies of the Rolex Sub are on the market?

Mitch

[HK Shooter]

I'll buy this one on the spot. Blue dial, right side, 5 min markers, date outline and all :-!
http://www.canong3.co.uk/LM-7_outline.jpg

[TMW]

Mitch -

I cant believe the response you are getting.

Speaks alot to the O7 brand and what you have created.

Todd

[TMW]

BTW - I am still a fan of the "rectangular" hour hand as in the ploprof image above.

And you are right - the original ploprof is somewhat busy with the 5 minute markers. Is there a way to control the thickness?

[JAD3703]

I'm a big fan of a dark-blue dial with 5 minute markers - looks awesome and pays homage to the originator of the species.

Beautiful piece, Mitch. Really looking forward to this one, mon ami!

James

[ksv123]

BTW - I am still a fan of the "rectangular" hour hand as in the ploprof image above.

And you are right - the original ploprof is somewhat busy with the 5 minute markers. Is there a way to control the thickness?




I like the pointed hour hand.

[Malyel]

My vote would be for the LM-7 to be fitted with a dark blue dial with the 5 minute markers. |> I also prefer the red anodised HEV.

I think it looks absolutely amazing!

[SeikoSickness]

I think that the 5 min. markers need to be quite thin compared to the lume on the 5 min positions. The LM-7 drawing looks like they're too thick and the actual PloProf photo they look much thinner.

I'd prefer one with a black dial and no 5 min markers and anodized HeV. I know that it won't hold up in salt water but it would really look nice.

[bobbysamd]

I am still a fan of the "rectangular" hour hand as in the ploprof image above....Seconded. But I wouldn't have any heartburn if Mitch opts for the pointy hour hand.

[smurfe]

I don't post much in these development threads but I am glad to see this looks like a go. I am in the NO 5 min marker camp. I think the black dial looks much better. Of course if the bezel in the pic matched the blue dial I would probably think it looks fine. That black dial mock up without the 5 min markers is a killer looking watch plus it has enough Ocean7 individuality to represent itself in the market. Remember, the goal of this watch was not to copy the original but rather pay respect to it. You still want your own identity. I don't want to buy a PloProf copy, I want a high quality Ocean7 watch. Great process so far and looks like that is happening.

[Broker]

I don't post much in these development threads but I am glad to see this looks like a go. I am in the NO 5 min marker camp. I think the black dial looks much better. Of course if the bezel in the pic matched the blue dial I would probably think it looks fine. That black dial mock up without the 5 min markers is a killer looking watch plus it has enough Ocean7 individuality to represent itself in the market. Remember, the goal of this watch was not to copy the original but rather pay respect to it. You still want your own identity. I don't want to buy a PloProf copy, I want a high quality Ocean7 watch. Great process so far and looks like that is happening.

What are the chances that there will be 2 of these on wrists in the Baton Rouge area? Pretty good I think.

Todd

[fig enterprises]

I think it has to be a very dark blue dial....no orange..no pvd...

I think they call it midnight blue

Nothing else should even be considered

not really liking anthing plastic covering up the valve..

I vote red alum..or if u want to be different yet the same ..get one the same color as the dial...is midnight blue valve to outlandlish..

I think the blue/blue would be somewhat cool..I dunno.....but I'm just rambling ideas

if it fades get a permanent markerb-)

I'm at a toss up on the 5 min markers..talk me into it....I am leaning against them..and I say axe it

Maybe something else on the dial as well?..similar to the original

I vote yes to top quality mesh as well.....reg ss bracelet won't do it justice and I don't think ot will go over as well

I realize we want to keep things the similiar,..but if we can improve on the original w/ very little cost as well....go for it.

[smurfe]

What are the chances that there will be 2 of these on wrists in the Baton Rouge area? Pretty good I think.

Todd

Todd, it's looking good for the home team! :-!

[smurfe]

I thinik it's really hard to gauge interest. At the moment, four people have committed, based on the poll.

Mitch

Looks like there has been a boatload of interest in this. I logged in earlier and there were like 68 people viewing this forum. Considerably more than normal. :-! I have a feeling this thread has quite a bit to do with this. ;-)

[JohnT]

This is a really bold project Mitch and you are to be congratulated for taking it on. My initial impression was one of shock but having seen the ideas develop along with the changes and dare I say, improvements, to the original Plo-prof my initial shock has changed to admiration and approval.

I haven't got much to add that hasn't been said already except that the dial should shout Ocean7 and for this reason I think the five minute markers should not be applied.

[messenius]

Became member because of LM-7. Very interesting project and really beatiful watch. I'm very near to hit the poll button and commit myself to this watch.

I love the ploprof. Must be the most believable diver ever. Case is big and unconventional, but seems to be well proportioned and together with deepblue dial and black bezel the watch is very well balanced. Really worth of hommage...

There is just one thing that caught my eye on LM-7. Left side of the watch (crown guard?) seems to be little too small compared to original(vertically). To my eyes this makes the case to be out of balance. Too much weight on right side...

I have really mixed feelings about this. I would like LM-7 to be as good looking as the ploprof, but at the same time I don't want it to be an exact copy. As said before LM-7should stand on its own and make tribute to its predecessor. Luckily how this is achieved is open for discussion, thanks to Mitch ;-)


cheers

Tero

[Flashharry]

I'll buy this one on the spot. Blue dial, right side, 5 min markers, date outline and all :-!
http://www.canong3.co.uk/LM-7_outline.jpg

That is the designe for me as long as it has C3 lume.
Love it has to be a dark blue dial and a red plastic HV. Love the extra 5 minute markers, I would like it as near to the original as poss

[MitchSF]

What do you think about using Pantone 282 blue for the dial? This is the color we will use on the OCEAN7 American dial. It is matched to the blue on the American flag, and is also the blue color for the new "PloProf" style PU straps.

Mitch

[MitchSF]

This has been discussed, but I think it deserves another mention - looking at the 2d cad drawing, the case has the general shape of the PloProf. In every other way it is very different. The PloProf case top is perfectly flat. The LM-7 is curved. Check the plan at the top of the thread and you will see what I mean.

If you are expecting a copy of the PloProf case, you will probably not be happy with the LM-7. We are not making a copy of the PloProf. I would call this a modern interpretation of the PloProf case.

Mitch

[Flashharry]

Mitch,

Pantone 282 looks a great colour for this watch.

Neal

[messenius]

So are these cad drawings final? And I understand and agree that a copy of ploprof isn't a right way to go.

Just like the general appearance of ploprof in which its width (from 3 o'clock to 9) is seemingly greater than its height (lug to lug).

cheers
Tero

[Danny S]

What do you think about using Pantone 282 blue for the dial? This is the color we will use on the OCEAN7 American dial. It is matched to the blue on the American flag, and is also the blue color for the new "PloProf" style PU straps.

Mitch

Sounds absolutely spot-on!

Perfect Mitch |>

[Mike Best]

I wonder if the HEV could be made out of ceramic? I doubt that would fade and would be corsion resistant. Just a thought, I"m not a ceramics expert.

[smurfe]

The Pantone 282 is a great color blue. Will the bezel match it in color? I am warming up to the blue over the black. Hopefully the dial will stay Ocean7 "clean' though? ;-)

[HK Shooter]

Regarding the HEV. I don't understand how you could even concider an alluminum crown for a DIVE watch. :-s

[DEMO111]

Mitch, very nice development of this watch.

My 02¢:

- No 5 minute markers. It's a cleaner looking dial, more in the philosophy
of The Ocean 7 company branded look.

- I like the black dial, it relates nicey with the black bezel. Yes, the dark
blue is like the original but then this watch is not a copy of the original. I
feel the addition of the blue brings too many colors into the mix with the
red HE cap and th orange minute hand. The black dial just looks classic.

- I like the outline around the date window, it "anchor's" it's position on the
dial.

- Absolutely love the contouring of the case, a home run!

Great work Mitch |>

[Broker]

What do you think about using Pantone 282 blue for the dial? This is the color we will use on the OCEAN7 American dial. It is matched to the blue on the American flag, and is also the blue color for the new "PloProf" style PU straps.

Mitch

I think that would look great. By the way, when will we be able to order the new PloProf style PU straps? I want to get one to stare at until the LM-7 ships. Who am I kidding, if the interhorn width is the same, I'm getting a yellow and orange strap also.

Todd

[fig enterprises]

I think it has to be a very dark blue dial....no orange..no pvd...

saph bez...:-!:-!

I think they call it midnight blue

Nothing else should even be considered

not really liking anthing plastic covering up the valve..

I vote red alum..or if u want to be different yet the same ..get one the same color as the dial...is midnight blue valve to outlandlish..

I think the blue/blue would be somewhat cool..I dunno.....but I'm just rambling ideas

if it fades get a permanent markerb-)

I'm at a toss up on the 5 min markers..talk me into it....I am leaning against them..and I say axe it

Maybe something else on the dial as well?..similar to the original,,

Maybe an engraved caseback?

I vote yes to top quality mesh as well.....reg ss bracelet won't do it justice and I don't think ot will go over as well..IMO most won't buy..unless it's the only option for it to look right

I realize we want to keep things the similiar,..but if we can improve on the original w/ very little cost as well....go for it.

[diverx]

What do you think about using Pantone 282 blue for the dial? This is the color we will use on the OCEAN7 American dial. It is matched to the blue on the American flag, and is also the blue color for the new "PloProf" style PU straps.

Mitch

I feel the same as brokerrookie. A deep blue dial would be great. The watch world has enough black dials in it, and with a design as special as this, black would do it no justice. I also prefer the five minute markers. If these are decided against, I will have them added by one of the several talented modders out there.