Why the sudden increase in posts pulled at TZ?

[Hewybaby]

I am hearing from other TZers that a unusually large number of posts are being pulled or deleted from many (most?) of the forums. I am posting here because I expect this post to be pulled at TZ.

Now, I respect the right of TZ to delete posts that they think are inappropriate or offensive. This is a good thing, generally speaking.

I have noted posts which are going in an inappropriate direction which are locked, preventing further posting. This is a good thing, also.

What is different is the number of posts pulled and locked in the last, say week. Something must have changed for the behavior of moderators to have changes in the abrupt and, perhaps dramatic, way it seems to have changed.

In fact, I had a post pulled today.

I had a TZ forum open, but had not read any posts on it, either the Public or Omega Forum. I was away from my pc or reading another watch forum -- I don't recall which.

I returned to the TZ forum, which had a stale screen; that is it had not been refreshed and thus didn't reflect the current status. When I clicked into a post, it gave me an error message.

I posted immediately, describing what had happened and asked if the post had been pulled. I didn't ask why it was pulled or complain about it being pulled. I had never had this happen to me before and was merely curious. No criticism, no comment about the content of a post I hadn't read, no anger -- I just didn't know if that post had been pulled.

I moved on and closed my browser and went on about other business. This was hardly an important thing to me -- I don't recall if it was this morning or this afternoon, or what forum it was on (probably Public).

Yep, you guessed it.

Another TZ emailed me that my post was pulled.

Something has changed in the way that Moderators are supervising TZ. Can someone tell me why?

[DMB]

I don't know, but I had enough and bugged out. I agree with what you said regarding inappropriate posts or flame wars. Yea, sooner or later a thread that gets too out of hand needs to be locked or pulled. However, it got to be where every time a few particular mods didn't agree with the poster, it got pulled. I don't know if they expect 100% watch talk 100% of the time, but IMO that get's boring. Most of the stuff I post is watch related, or a brief silly comment in a watch related thread. Anyhow, you can see by the number of TZers that recently sought asylum here that it is not just one or two of us that see it as a problem. - David

[Callaway]

Seems like there is a new set of rules and regs regarding what will be passed through and what gets caught and deleted or are being over moderated to say the least. You might check out some of the earlier comments from the other TZ refugees seems like posts can be fairly innocuous but still fail the TZ litmus test or maybe it depends on the mod who is working the forum I suppose.

[Fatpants]

Damon has been informed to clamp down hard on those, who, in the opinion of the powers that be over on TZ, do not post in accordance with their guidelines, etc. I

[WristwatchCrazy]

I know I'm new here, so maybe I'm stepping out of line and I will apologize first if that is the case.

This is a really nice forum and it's the first 1 where I feel comfortable posting. People complain that TZ has gotten stale and stuff because it's only watch stuff, but it seems 75% of the posts here are about TZ. I don't really prefer the TZ format, so I don't post here. But I also don't get why everyone needs to sit here complaining about another site instead of making this an enjoyable discussion forum,

I will apologize if this opinion is out of line.

Regards,

Jim

[Fatpants]

Anyway....

I also believe that the reason why the smp300 thread got pulled the other day was that it placed into question the integrity of TZ's new owner, Antiquorum (conflict of interest, perhaps? A public forum not allowing open discussion?), over the Omegamania auction that involved the above mentioned watch(es).

[MICKIRaTT]

I don't know, but I had enough and bugged out. I agree with what you said regarding inappropriate posts or flame wars. Yea, sooner or later a thread that gets too out of hand needs to be locked or pulled. However, it got to be where every time a few particular mods didn't agree with the poster, it got pulled. I don't know if they expect 100% watch talk 100% of the time, but IMO that get's boring. Most of the stuff I post is watch related, or a brief silly comment in a watch related thread. Anyhow, you can see by the number of TZers that recently sought asylum here that it is not just one or two of us that see it as a problem. - David


Hey David,

Thanks for the personal invite! I was wondering where you and the Moose Bro's landed and glad to see you found a new home. I'd be happy to come hang out and play. I haven't posted here much at all but it seems like a great group of guys and I recognize alot of folks.

I agree with much that has been said about TZ. I've been a member there for over two years and I have never seen it get so bad. It's a shame cause it used to be a whole lot o'fun. Anyway, I look forward to contributing more now that I know where everyone went. Let's have fun again!

Cheers,
Steve

[DMB]

Jim, I'm sure that the topic of TZ is not the norm on WUS. It's just that in the past few days there was, and still is a mass exodus of TZ Omega regulars that came here. We are just getting acquainted, venting our frustration, etc. I for one regret not finding this forum sooner. Not as a comparison to TZ, but as a stand alone quality forum with more sub forums than I could hope to visit any time soon. Bear with us, and I'm sure with each day the mention of TZ will fade even more. - David

[DMB]

Steve - glad you dropped in. - David

[MICKIRaTT]

Damon has been informed to clamp down hard on those, who, in the opinion of the powers that be over on TZ, do not post in accordance with their guidelines, etc. I

That makes sense. Damon is a great moderator and he is very fair about things. He used to let us pretty much post pretty much anything that wasn't found to be generally offensive. Now it seems as if he's got his hands tied.

[Trojan]

I know I'm new here, so maybe I'm stepping out of line and I will apologize first if that is the case.

This is a really nice forum and it's the first 1 where I feel comfortable posting. People complain that TZ has gotten stale and stuff because it's only watch stuff, but it seems 75% of the posts here are about TZ. I don't really prefer the TZ format, so I don't post here. But I also don't get why everyone needs to sit here complaining about another site instead of making this an enjoyable discussion forum,

I will apologize if this opinion is out of line.

Regards,

Jim

Hi Jim. From my perspective, it appears that this level of censorship was a pretty new development at TZ. Normally enough, TZ participants might visit about the propriety of that development among themselves on that forum, however, it seems that even the slightest mention of it was stricken over there, including posts being partially deleted, leaving the reader with the impression that what they were reading was the unchanged posting of the author of the post - when in fact it had been altered by the moderator, though the moderator didn't disclose the modification. And more. So here's the thought - perhaps what you're seeing now is the topical discussion here about that - a discussion that wasn't permitted over there. Not really bashing, just some comments about this recent development in a forum that many enjoyed for the fresh exchange of thoughts, as well as some good-natured and well meaning fun and friendship. I imagine that discussion will die down pretty quick as it gets a chance to be aired. There are a lot more seasoned TZers that might have some different thoughts on that, but there's my $0.02. While I might make a comment or two about that, you won't catch me whining or complaining. And I like what I've seen of this forum so far. Best, John

[HookedOnWatches]

It seems that the moderators are so heavy handed that posts are being removed that would be informative. I asked a question based on my Dog's internal clock getting me up the same time everyday, and this was removed. I asked which watches the men of WWII wore, like Stalin, ......, Mussolini, FDR, Churchill and this was removed. Right or wrong, good or bad, free speech on a forum is without equal.

[DMB]

Hey HOW, welcome. Try not to start any trouble while you're here. :-) - David

[Joe K.]

First - let me apologize if the TZ related posts are making the forum less enjoyable to some. The reason for the many posts is, as many others have indicated, due to an exodus of sorts from TZOF. We are still trying to figure out why the change in TZ policy and if we could do this on TZ – we would.

Please note, that many of these posts are labeled as such and if one does not want to read them - all he has to do is to not click the link.....

Now to my theory: if I remember correctly, the head honcho at Antiquorum was recently relieved of his duties ?? So there might be a new boss in town who has decided to clamp down…. What is the rational behind this – I am not sure yet…..

TZ is a private enterprise and can do what ever they want, including the suppression of free speech. I, as a poster, am free to leave when this happens. As for the non-paid moderators, who remain behind and carry out the new regulations I can only think of two options. One – they do not believe that free speech contributes to productive discussion on the forums. The second option -- “corporate sellout”.



I am hearing from other TZers that a unusually large number of posts are being pulled or deleted from many (most?) of the forums. I am posting here because I expect this post to be pulled at TZ.

Now, I respect the right of TZ to delete posts that they think are inappropriate or offensive. This is a good thing, generally speaking.

I have noted posts which are going in an inappropriate direction which are locked, preventing further posting. This is a good thing, also.

What is different is the number of posts pulled and locked in the last, say week. Something must have changed for the behavior of moderators to have changes in the abrupt and, perhaps dramatic, way it seems to have changed.

In fact, I had a post pulled today.

I had a TZ forum open, but had not read any posts on it, either the Public or Omega Forum. I was away from my pc or reading another watch forum -- I don't recall which.

I returned to the TZ forum, which had a stale screen; that is it had not been refreshed and thus didn't reflect the current status. When I clicked into a post, it gave me an error message.

I posted immediately, describing what had happened and asked if the post had been pulled. I didn't ask why it was pulled or complain about it being pulled. I had never had this happen to me before and was merely curious. No criticism, no comment about the content of a post I hadn't read, no anger -- I just didn't know if that post had been pulled.

I moved on and closed my browser and went on about other business. This was hardly an important thing to me -- I don't recall if it was this morning or this afternoon, or what forum it was on (probably Public).

Yep, you guessed it.

Another TZ emailed me that my post was pulled.

Something has changed in the way that Moderators are supervising TZ. Can someone tell me why?

[mrsnak]

There were never any posts about TZ until just recently, when everyone started fleeing that board, so I can't imagine we'll have too much after the hoopla dies down.

[Just Steve]

but I look at these forums as a place to socialize. You talk about watches, you learn a little something about watches and like any other place you go to socialize the conversations change which keeps it form getting boring but the main focus always comes back to a watch subject which is why I guess forums like this are here. If the people on this forum didn't deviate once in awhile I wouldn't waste my time doing this, hell I'd go back to driving my wife nuts if I have to. I say we give each other a vertual hug and move on. Maybe we can get Damon to come over, he is a nice guy and as most have said his hands were tied. Maybe if nothing else he can make a guess apearance. And by the way I'm not hugging the moose brothers.

[jimmoose]

to hell with the *******. I'm with jim! We need to move along in our discussions. Lets talk about my chicken, Henny Penny says "Hey"
jim
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f352/jimmoose/my%20house/08022007115.jpg

[DMB]

He's right guys ... How do you argue with a man that has a chicken with a watch on her neck? - David

[Just Steve]

now lets have fun with the new guy. By the way Jim my thread and your chicken has made me hungry for some hot wings with a honey mustard dip.

[Kieron]

I don't think the TZ Omega forum is any worse now than it's always been, certainly since I've been on it. There's always been the heavy handed approach to what "they" deem "inappropriate content", especially after the Ebay ruling. I've had unoffensive posts pulled a few times for no logical reason, including my 1000th post, simply because some over-sensitive knob decided they didn't like the use of one small word I used which is acceptable here in the UK yet not in the States seemingly... :-s

[Just Steve]

doing some pole dancing.http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff231/greek51/manpoledancer.jpg

[WristwatchCrazy]

:-d

[mrsnak]

He's right guys ... How do you argue with a man that has a chicken with a watch on her neck? - David

I hope he wasn't choking his chicken.

[john wilson]

I know I'm new here, so maybe I'm stepping out of line and I will apologize first if that is the case.

This is a really nice forum and it's the first 1 where I feel comfortable posting. People complain that TZ has gotten stale and stuff because it's only watch stuff, but it seems 75% of the posts here are about TZ. I don't really prefer the TZ format, so I don't post here. But I also don't get why everyone needs to sit here complaining about another site instead of making this an enjoyable discussion forum,

I will apologize if this opinion is out of line.

Regards,

Jim

It will all fade away with time young master Jim. John Wilson. P. S. " Never sweat anything petty...But never pet anything sweaty"!

[eptaz]

doing some pole dancing.http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff231/greek51/manpoledancer.jpg

Sometimes, there's a big difference between what I should delete and what I want to delete. This fits both categories, but somehow, I can't do it.

Here's to horrible, horrible nightmares.

eric

[quatre_temps]

I don't think the TZ Omega forum is any worse now than it's always been, certainly since I've been on it. There's always been the heavy handed approach to what "they" deem "inappropriate content", especially after the Ebay ruling. I've had unoffensive posts pulled a few times for no logical reason, including my 1000th post, simply because some over-sensitive knob decided they didn't like the use of one small word I used which is acceptable here in the UK yet not in the States seemingly... :-s

According to that 'over-sensitive knob' "I'm" a racist bigot. Even though I'm married to a woman of different race.:think:

[quatre_temps]

This is one of the reasons why I'll leave it then come back. I find it gets 'PURGED' every once in awhile then everything goes back to normal. I also really like WatchUseek but seem to have trouble with the more complicated format.:-s

[Chicagoland Chuck Maddox]

I am hearing from other TZers that a unusually large number of posts are being pulled or deleted from many (most?) of the forums. I am posting here because I expect this post to be pulled at TZ.

[shruggs shoulders]...

Now, I respect the right of TZ to delete posts that they think are inappropriate or offensive. This is a good thing, generally speaking.

I have noted posts which are going in an inappropriate direction which are locked, preventing further posting. This is a good thing, also.

What is different is the number of posts pulled and locked in the last, say week. Something must have changed for the behavior of moderators to have changes in the abrupt and, perhaps dramatic, way it seems to have changed.

In fact, I had a post pulled today.

I had a TZ forum open, but had not read any posts on it, either the Public or Omega Forum. I was away from my pc or reading another watch forum -- I don't recall which.

I returned to the TZ forum, which had a stale screen; that is it had not been refreshed and thus didn't reflect the current status. When I clicked into a post, it gave me an error message.

I posted immediately, describing what had happened and asked if the post had been pulled. I didn't ask why it was pulled or complain about it being pulled. I had never had this happen to me before and was merely curious. No criticism, no comment about the content of a post I hadn't read, no anger -- I just didn't know if that post had been pulled.

I moved on and closed my browser and went on about other business. This was hardly an important thing to me -- I don't recall if it was this morning or this afternoon, or what forum it was on (probably Public).

Yep, you guessed it.

Another TZ emailed me that my post was pulled.

Something has changed in the way that Moderators are supervising TZ. Can someone tell me why?

Hi Sam...

I'm afraid I can't answer your question. The main reason why I can't is because I haven't been spending much time over there the past few months. I'm sure the next question is "Why?"... The truth is that I've been very busy I've had a lot of things on my plate this summer, that's a significant reason. Secondly, the list of available topics suited for discussion over there has seemed [my perspective] to have shrunk considerably the past year to 18 months.

Scan day's are nice and while I know I do like looking at well crafted photographs of beautiful watches as much as the next collector, I'm sure that people are sick of me posting the same old pictures of various chunks of my collection over and over again. I've never had much luck taking wrist shots that weren' out of focused or blurred and they take far more time than static shots [and hence far more time than I have to spare]. I personally think that "Bracelet or Strap" has just about been done to death, I think I've stated "it's usually far cheaper to buy the watch on a bracelet and add a strap than to buy it on a strap and add the bracelet later" every possible different way it can expressed in the English language. This or That seems to be popular, but in the end, my opinion of which of the two presented choices really is only the best fit for me, not necessarily anyone else. About the only other safe topics left are State of the Collection and New Arrivals... And I don't know... In these days of hyper-inflated vintage prices and super scarse supplies of what once wre fairly easy to score vintage pieces it almost seems ungentlemanly and unsportsman like to go off and flaunt one's own personal collection publically when most people participating have been priced and scarced out of the market.

The last time I spent any time over there was about three weeks ago... And to be brutally frank I was bewildered and saddened by what I saw... The place was awash in Rolex Vs. Omega flamewars, and ,,Pimp Watch of the Day,, threads, which were being permitted to multiply willy-nilly, while other seemingly innocuous posts being yanked [with neither notice or explanation] and moderators [I really am not clear whom, but in the past it's been Damon or Michael Sandler] locked another thread because they [the mods] didn't want the topic being discussed. Worst of all, the moderators typically blow off answering queries made asking for clarification about the policies.

I suppose the last part didn't surprise me any though as I've experienced that sort of thing before at TZ. I'm not going to bother to include links but if you go over to the Omega Archives and look for theads in the 6-10 February 2006 timeframe you'll see a lot of similar discussions and actions taken by the powers that be. What I call the "Guideline 7" event.

I don't know what to tell you Sam. I haven't been over there except briefly and it would be unfair to those who have been active there, and frankly to Damon and the other mod's over at TZ for me to start guessing.

I hope that the folks who have previously participated only over at TimeZone bring their best with them, and leave the Brand Bashing and Pimp-watch threads behind. I love proceeding off on a fun tangent from time to time, and Halloween Watch Horrors or Friday the 13th watch scan day's are a lot of fun.

I guess that I hope the newcommers respect the atmosphere that exists here and doesn't spoil it for those who've been here for a while.

I further hope that TZ's discussion environment will someday [hopefully soon] revert to the Golden age of discussion that I remember existing five or more years ago. Since they have the servers, forum software and hallelulah! the Search feature fixed, it'd be a damn shame if there are few remaining people left to enjoy it.

The reason I particpate in discussion forums is to learn, share what I know and to have fun. When someone steps in the way of that I speak up. If it ceases being those things there isn't much reason to participate is there?

I'm sure that I've probably offended somewhere either old-timer here at WUS, a new participant here or perhaps over at TZ. If so, so be it. That's the way I feel about it.

Almost exactly five years ago, I posted the following message over at TZOF:

Topic: A very wise person I know once said...

Many people here know that I once worked in a publicly funded residential High School for gifted Math and Science students for a number of years. One of my favorite people at the Academy was a Resident Counselor named Brian Quinby. The position/job of RC was to live among and be an "go-to" adult for between 24-28 frightenly brilliant and talented teenagers. One of the reasons why I and most students who had Brian for an RC liked him was that he made it clear that the students could do up to a point or limit and that was fine, but... if they went over that point or limit there was a problem and there would be steps taken and concequences. Because the students knew what was expected of them, and that they would be held to those expectations, I never had a problem with any of his charges.

One day I heard him put it very simply, concisely and elegantly:

"Above all I expect three things:

Take care of yourselves,
Take care of each other,
Take care of this place.

You do those three things and we will have smooth sailing."

-- Brian Quinby - IMSA Residential Councilor

It occurs to me that if all of us did those three things, we would have much smoother sailing here...

-- Chuck


Again now, as it did then, it occurs to me when individuals or a group acts towards the detriment of those three points, things quickly go south.

I hope everyone will keep that in mind before they click on the submit post/reply button. I know I will try to.

Sincerely,

-- Chuck

[Tim got his boots back]

Hey Guys, welcome to Watchuseek. Regardless of what reason you have for coming, we’re glad you made it and please feel free to peruse the forums here and join in on the fun. I guess most of you have already figured out that this is a pretty cool place and that there’s a lot of good guys here and a lot of good talk and fun threads. Most of all, you probably have figured out that there are a lot of people here who are very happy with the fact that Mr. Ernie Romers has made this place available for us to explore our common WIS interests and that the rules he set up for his house are pretty reasonable considering the fact that we have over 15,000 members from all walks of life and from all corners of the globe.

The guys here overwhelmingly have great respect for Ernie’s house and Ernie’s rules and post within the guidelines. Tread lightly is the mods motto here and we try to stick to that unless our hand is forced by clear cut or constant infractions Flat out inappropriate stuff ends up being deleted asap for the reasons that should be apparent, but we really don’t see too much of that here as there seems to be a lot of respect for this place and the atmosphere that has evolved, thread by thread, post by post.

Every once in a while though, there’s something that pops up that is not as clear cut and making the quick, proper call can be elusive. If, in these instances and after thorough discussion amongst the mods, it’s deemed that an action is required, we would like to give the author the chance to edit or delete with an explanation of why via pm and if they haven’t had the chance to do so or haven’t done so for whatever reason, we send them a gentle pm explaining why we had to take some action on their offering(s). In the end, being human, we hope we make the right judgment call and that you all can understand that the decision made was not done haphazardly or with malice or prejudice but with balanced judgment and every intent of getting it right. That’s just a respectful way of handling things and the best way we know how and an indication of how different we are from other places on the www.

We’re all aware of the other forums out there and we respect their right to exist and we wish to co-exist peacefully with them. We feel that the interesting and informative threads coupled with the healthy vibe that exists here is paramount to our noticed explosion of new members. Some of the other forums out there baffle us with the way they go about things but we just sort of shrug our shoulders and take the high road and keep on, keeping on. I think that overwhelmingly though, members here do not want this place to be seen as a safe haven to attack, ridicule or belittle other forums. They are pretty much happy that this place exists and that it’s pretty relaxed and lightly and responsibly moderated.

Over the years, we have noticed that the majority of the membership are not interested in threads pertaining to other forums and their ways. There has been a frowning down on those things here. Hey, we understand that some of you newcomers here feel a bit elated to be “liberated” but please take into consideration that other members here might not have an inkling of what you have experienced elsewhere and are a bit overwhelmed by the recent and significant influx of new members. Discussions of life on other forums and their rules and unique moderation techniques may not amuse or interest them and the recent sharp spike in these threads and posts risks hampering their enjoyment of the forums.

But, we’re glad ya made it. We know you guys are going to love it here and that you will be respectful of the other members and respectful of the rules and guidelines and the overall spirit of the place.

All the best guys,
Tim

[Seamaster73]

From my perspective, it appears that this level of censorship was a pretty new development at TZ.

I've been posting on and off on TZ since it started, and there's nothing new about it. It's always been the same. That's why Ernie's first forum, the precursor of the current WUS was such a breath of fresh air, and one of the reasons it has continued to flourish. Apart from one or two trigger-happy characters, most of whom are kept in check by the rest, I have seen very little TZ-style mad-dog moderating here. The Doxa forum has its occasional moments of madness, but apart from that, the air here is generally much more pleasant to breathe.

[john wilson]

Apart from one or two trigger-happy characters,

You and I? John Wilson.

[Seamaster73]

I was referring to moderators, who shall remain nameless. ;-)

[davidfdowning]

Two words. Michael Sandler. The reason the Sinn forum here has long been better than the TZ one has been his heavy handed modding. He just doesn't get that on a forum it is the posters who are the content. As a reader rather than poster, mostly, I admit I sighed a little when I saw Michael posting on the Omega forum as I knew what that would mean. You compare this to Tim Patrick, who has added a tremendous amount to the Sinn forum as well as being a great mod, and it starts to become a little chalk and cheese. Time to update the bookmarks :)

gl

Dave

[Trojan]

Hi Chuck. I keep a list of thoughts that help inspire me as to how to live each day, and to try to be a good example for those around me. I've just added Brian Quinby's advice to the list. Thanks for posting that. Best, John

[eptaz]

Wow, thanks for stopping by Omegaland, Tim. You thinking about a PO? ;-)

eric

[Kieron]

Nice to see you over here Andrew my friend...:-! I sometimes see our "sensitive friend" over on TZ occasionally but sadly I received a two day "holiday" (ban) from one of the TZ miesters shortly after the 1000th post incident for simply asking the aforementioned individual to grow/lighten up, ho-hum... I hope you and your family are keeping well...:-)

[quatre_temps]

Nice to see you over here Andrew my friend...:-! I sometimes see our "sensitive friend" over on TZ occasionally but sadly I received a two day "holiday" (ban) from one of the TZ miesters shortly after the 1000th post incident for simply asking the aforementioned individual to grow/lighten up, ho-hum... I hope you and your family are keeping well...:-)

Yeah, that post was a real eye opener for me. Not to insult our American friends/members on WUS but the TZ forums are really run under an American style 'Political correctness' that is a real head scratcher for the rest of us in other parts of the World. Also, that 'Guy' was (And is) the only enemy I have ever had on-line and shudder everytime I see him post. :roll:

[Chicagoland Chuck Maddox]

Hi Chuck. I keep a list of thoughts that help inspire me as to how to live each day, and to try to be a good example for those around me. I've just added Brian Quinby's advice to the list. Thanks for posting that. Best, John

Hi John, I also have a Quotes file, which sadly has been neglected for some time, which might have some interesting tidbits in it. Might not... Here it is:

Chuck's Quote's file... (http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/quotes.html)

I also enjoyed this article so much I archived it to my website... (http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/dad_why.html)

I hope you find them interesting, enjoyable, useful or all three!

Cheers!

-- Chuck

[DMB]

Yeah, that post was a real eye opener for me. Not to insult our American friends/members on WUS but the TZ forums are really run under an American style 'Political correctness' that is a real head scratcher for the rest of us in other parts of the World. Also, that 'Guy' was (And is) the only enemy I have ever had on-line and shudder everytime I see him post. :roll:


You're just a bunch of savages up there in the Great White North. :-) - David

[quatre_temps]

You're just a bunch of savages up there in the Great White North. :-) - David

I eat seal blubber for breakfast..........with no milk!!! ;-)

[quatre_temps]

You're just a bunch of savages up there in the Great White North. :-) - David

Dang, David! How am I suppose to get a higher thread count then you if you keep posting!?!? :-d

[mwille]

Hi John, I also have a Quotes file, which sadly has been neglected for some time, which might have some interesting tidbits in it. Might not... Here it is:

Chuck's Quote's file... (http://home.xnet.com/%7Ecmaddox/quotes.html)

I also enjoyed this article so much I archived it to my website... (http://home.xnet.com/%7Ecmaddox/dad_why.html)

I hope you find them interesting, enjoyable, useful or all three!

Cheers!

-- Chuck


Great reading that Chuck, thanks! :-!

I noticed you had Mark Twain and Janis Joplin in your list, as it happens those two are responsible for my personal two favorite quotes :

"You can't depend on your judgment if your imagination is out of focus" [Mark Twain]

"Freedom is just another word for nothing left to loose" [Janis Joplin, from Me and Bobby McGee also]

Mark

[Sgian Dubh]

I don't like forums that are insistent on every post being on topic. Sometimes it's fun to let things fly. I understand the need for moderation, but, like everything in life: do it in moderation.

Was someone talking about pole dancing and chickens?

[no_self_control]

You and I? John Wilson.

don't take it personally! i've had one pulled and one closed. :-d

[no_self_control]

Sometimes, there's a big difference between what I should delete and what I want to delete. This fits both categories, but somehow, I can't do it.

Here's to horrible, horrible nightmares.

eric

if there's anything that keep us sane it's being able to have a good laugh about things. the post to which this refers just completely creased me up!!!

:-d:-d:-d