Super SUB Additional Photos

[Flyingdoctor]

I'll keep adding photos to this page as I do them.

Here is a shot which shows the clasp push button mechanism, ratchet system, bracelet and screwed lug connection. It doesn't show that rows 2 and 4 of the separate bracelet beads are polished.

Pete

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/flyingdoctor/claspratbrac.jpg

[Call_me_Tom]

Unfortunatly, I can not see the pic :(

[diverdown]

Pete,

Can you sticky this thread below Jason's summary thread, so that the two threads can be easily checked?

Thanks
Stephen

[Flyingdoctor]

As I was saying, the markers can appear light or dark depending on lighting, angle, background etc etc

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/flyingdoctor/markers.jpg

The the following shots just show the effect of the thick domed crystal

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/flyingdoctor/dial1.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/flyingdoctor/dial2.jpg

Struggling with the white balance guys as I'm trying to rattle these off as quick as possible. I will keep playing :-)

Pete

[diverdown]

Excellent shots Pete.......Now I am really getting excited about this watch........

~S

[Flyingdoctor]

Another dial / side view

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/flyingdoctor/dial3.jpg

[Ray K]

Can anyone do a photoshop of the dial in BLACK. This will be stunning as a Sharkhunter with those new indices.

[Flyingdoctor]

Thought you might like to see this one.

Pete

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/flyingdoctor/5000-750.jpg

[jmoors]

Yep that was the one I wanted to see .... Thanks Pete

[Ray K]

Thought you might like to see this one.

Pete

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/flyingdoctor/5000-750.jpg

That's the one I wanted to see too. Tells me even stronger that I prefer the 750T look with the orange dial. But, with a black dial, that Super Sub will be a killer. Think I'll wait for the Sharkie. That will be something else!

On a positive note, I like the new bracelet a lot. And, the new upgraded features are super. Just can't fall for the stainless markers with the orange dial. Guess I'm just a classic kind of guy.

[markrichardsonno9]

Thought you might like to see this one.

Pete

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/flyingdoctor/5000-750.jpg

I,m sorry but this pic just confirms what I already think , that the 750T is still the VERY best Doxa yet IMHO

[Flyingdoctor]

Lume shot. All watches exposed for the same time. Straight out of the camera. Unretouched, just resized. Left to right: Omega Seamaster, SUB 5000T, SUB 750T, Rolex Sea-Dweller. Not particularly scientific but I'd say the 5000T is the brightest Doxa yet.

Pete

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/flyingdoctor/omeg5000750sd.jpg

[diverdown]

Nice pic Pete....Not only brighter, but you can see the dial has significantly more lume on the 5000T compared to the 750T...

OK Pete...show us the HRV.....if you enlarge the side by side pick, you can make out the outline of the valve....

:)

~Stephen

PS... I am assuming either 9 or 10 will announce the movement....

[Flyingdoctor]

Wrist shot. Bloody difficult to get without blurring the dial. good as it gets for the minute.

Pete

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/flyingdoctor/wrist1.jpg

[diverdown]

I see that from reading all of posts tonight some people seem to be put off by the silver markers and hands, but looking at that last wrist shot by Pete, hose hands and markers really good....to me they really seems to fit the watch.....not as much contrast as the black, but they do work.....Well done Rick and the Doxa Team.....

Just my 0.02
~S

[Duffy0401]

Thanks Pete.:-!:-!:thanks

Chris

[TMW]

Thanks Pete.

Looks like Doxa number 4 for me in under a month.

My name is Todd. I am a watchdoxaholic.

[Flyingdoctor]

OK coming at ya thick and fast. here is a hard, swarm, gaggle, whatever :-) of different watches:

Pete

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/flyingdoctor/5000trolex.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/flyingdoctor/5000tomega.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/flyingdoctor/5000tgraph2.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/flyingdoctor/5000tgraph.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/flyingdoctor/5000tgmt.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/flyingdoctor/5000t600t.jpg

[jclevoy]

Hey, where is that screw-in HRV??:-d:-d:-d:-d

[jclevoy]

Wrist shot. Bloody difficult to get without blurring the dial. good as it gets for the minute.

Pete

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/flyingdoctor/wrist1.jpg

HOLY MACARONI Batman!!! that Bracelet looks TREMENDOUS on the wrist.:-p:-p:-p:-p:-p:-p:-p:-p:-p:-p:-p

[twostirish222]

Pete, that wrist shot by far is my favorite shot. Wow it looks amazing on the wrist. And, that bracelet is flat out GORGEOUS!!:-!:-!

DOXA, I want mine now!!:-|

[Flyingdoctor]

The best is yet to come.....ha, ha, ha. Just took the rest of the photos, just writing a blurb now b-)

Pete

[Wisconsin Proud]

That's the one I wanted to see too. Tells me even stronger that I prefer the 750T look with the orange dial. But, with a black dial, that Super Sub will be a killer. Think I'll wait for the Sharkie. That will be something else!

On a positive note, I like the new bracelet a lot. And, the new upgraded features are super. Just can't fall for the stainless markers with the orange dial. Guess I'm just a classic kind of guy.

I think you nailed it, Ray. If I knew nothing about Doxa and saw only these photos, the 750T would be my choice. The color contrast of the 750T grabs the eye better. The bracelet is killer, though, on the new one but I still like the unique look of the rice beads.

This does not minimize the efforts of those involved in putting together the new SUB5000. As others have stated, maybe the orange dial just doesn't fit as well as a blue or black dial would, again contrast being important to me visually.

Is it a better SUB? Well, the attributes say yes. But the 750T is already more SUB than I will ever need not being a diver.

Again, congrats to all who put this project together especially those that contributed photos.

[TKite]

5000T? To say, 16,500 ft???

I do have one thing I don't like too much because it seems "Anti-Doxa", and that is the centered logo under the 12 position, and above the 6 position. The logos at the crossed quarters is traditional Doxa.

[diverdown]

5000T? To say, 16,500 ft???

I do have one thing I don't like too much because it seems "Anti-Doxa", and that is the centered logo under the 12 position, and above the 6 position. The logos at the crossed quarters is traditional Doxa.


TKite,

It is 1500M or 5000ft

~S

[TKite]

Ok that went against the way Doxa did all the rest in the depth on the dial... Also noticed here it is a Conqustador, and on the other thread Sea Conquerer or something like that....

[diverdown]

Ok that went against the way Doxa did all the rest in the depth on the dial... Also noticed here it is a Conqustador, and on the other thread Sea Conquerer or something like that....

Pete was given a prototype (hence the name conquistador)...... however, since that name was already patented, Doxa is using Seaconquerer on the actual production watch....

[ticketgeorge]

Pete, Nothing like a great looking watch to rekindle the fire within.

Glad to be enjoying your threads again.:thanks

This will be my lucky #7 Doxa.

Now the wait beginso|o|o|o|o|o|o|

Rick, still would like to see the Numa watch someday

[hakim]

Wow, what a difference a night makes!

I switch off the computer last evening and the Doxa forum was quiet. I switch it on this morning and "bam!", its like a ton of bricks falling down. I didn't expect to see the Sub5000 revealed so quick and most of the features shown. I love it! :-!

I'm completly soldon this watch. Its definetly my 2008 grail!!! :-p:-p:-p

[T Bone]

Hey, where is that screw-in HRV??:-d:-d:-d:-d
On the Omega, where it belongs! :-d

Doxa, great job on this. Love the new bracelet and chunky case. The indicies in metal, well I love applied indices. And the hands on my Navitimer being silver, I know how they'll sometimes appear black.

Doc, great pics as always, and that wrist shot really sells the watch. I do agree with TKite on the logo placement, I'm sort of hoping that will be one of the changes between prototype and production.

Speaking of, can anyone detail what those changes are?

[sunster]

Fantastic pics Pete...you've given us the pictures we al want to see!
I think the dial looks awesome
Would everyone agree that the case size is the same as the 750T but maybe a little taller but not as tall as the T-Graph?

[Frogman]

Doc - I wasn't sure about the watch until I saw the wrist shot. I appreciate you urging me to wait back when we met a while ago. Thank you!

And the shot next to the Rolex - it looks like the Doxa is about to eat its lunch. And come back for seconds. And take its girl. And dog.

(No disrespect intended to the Rolex lovers on the forum.)

Cheers,

Avi

[emgee]

5000T? To say, 16,500 ft???

I do have one thing I don't like too much because it seems "Anti-Doxa", and that is the centered logo under the 12 position, and above the 6 position. The logos at the crossed quarters is traditional Doxa.

I have to agree, although a fine looking watch (well done to DOXA:-!) somethings are just brand identification; the cross hairs on the dial and the traditional positioning of the wording seems favourite (imho). And, is it me? or does the 750T dial look bigger? (perhaps its just that the 500T is a busier dial; quarter minute markers, longer minute markers and the big metal hour indices). Anyhow, I'll probably get one,;-) as it looks like all the hard effort deserves to be worn!

[jclevoy]

Anyhow, I'll probably get one,;-) as it looks like all the hard effort deserves to be worn!


I love how you justify it:-d:-d:-d:-d

[the2ster]

Congratulations Doxa and Pete.Beautiful piece.I need to save up now.:-!

[Flyingdoctor]

I've taken these from the separate Super SUB 8 thread:

Pete

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/flyingdoctor/hrv1-1.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/flyingdoctor/hrv4.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/flyingdoctor/twohrv-1.jpg

[Joerg Dorr]

That's an amazing watch, wow, will it come with black dial (sharkhunter) although?
best regards
Joerg

[perrinhj]

That is the big question a lot of people want to know, I'd order a black faced one.

[robbyrob505]

mee tooo

[Wisconsin Proud]

I believe Rick has posted that about 20 5000T Sharkhunters MAY be ready in December if demand dictates. Otherwise, look for the black dial in 2008.

[Hawk757]

I'd order a Caribbean, and would consider a Sharkhunter. Don't think I can justify buying another orange Doxa yet.

That being said, the new "Seaconquerer" is really a beautiful watch. Thank you Doxa for listening to your customers! And what an unbelievable bargain!

I would love to see a pre-order form for Sharkhunter and Caribbean before the returning customer discount cut-off date.

[DEMO111]

Yes, I would also be interested in the Seaconquerer Sharkhunter model, that's the one I'm looking forward to. :-!

[lateapex]

Yes, I would also be interested in the Seaconquerer Sharkhunter model, that's the one I'm looking forward to. :-!

+1, if it were offered in a Sharkhunter version, my deposit would have been there already!:-!

[Ray K]

I'm also ready to pop for a SH if I can get it before Christmas! :-!

[Caribbean Soul]

Thank you for the photos! Great job, and the comparison shots are very much appreciated! :-!

--Keith

[Tom Connelly]

I think you nailed it, Ray. If I knew nothing about Doxa and saw only these photos, the 750T would be my choice. The color contrast of the 750T grabs the eye better. The bracelet is killer, though, on the new one but I still like the unique look of the rice beads.

This does not minimize the efforts of those involved in putting together the new SUB5000. As others have stated, maybe the orange dial just doesn't fit as well as a blue or black dial would, again contrast being important to me visually.

Is it a better SUB? Well, the attributes say yes. But the 750T is already more SUB than I will ever need not being a diver.

Again, congrats to all who put this project together especially those that contributed photos.

I'm torn as well. I much prefer the classic dial. I do not care for the text in the middle of the dial like every other watch out there. I prefer that Doxa would have kept that stuff, along with the rice beads, typically Doxa.

Why couldn't they just do a thicker rice bead? Why did the people here vote for text in the middle of the dial and those stainless markers just annoy me.

Sorry. There is a lot to like about this watch but visually I think that more annoys me than makes me happy.

There, I said it. :-x

I hate to be negative. I love the case thickness and the bruteness of it. I like that Doxa used the 2892 movt. I like the HEV.

That exact watch with classic dial and thick rice bead, but classic dial being the important factor. Lose the shiny markers and put the text back where it belongs in the top left and bottom right quadrants, and I would be looking to sell stuff to buy one.

The problem, for me, is that with the shiny markers and centered dial text and regular looking bracelet, it looks like many other dive watches, losing much of what makes a Doxa unique. So, since I own this HEV monster already I just can't justify going for this new one since it lacks much of what draws me to the brand.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v391/worlok/steelfish/IMG_0858.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v391/worlok/steelfish/IMG_1018.jpg

Good thing I still have this one. I'm actually wearing it as I type this, so I am still very much a Doxa fan. Good luck with this new model, guys.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v391/worlok/divingstar/ac741ebe.jpg

[TKite]

I'm torn as well. I much prefer the classic dial. I do not care for the text in the middle of the dial like every other watch out there. I prefer that Doxa would have kept that stuff, along with the rice beads, typically Doxa.

Why couldn't they just do a thicker rice bead? Why did the people here vote for text in the middle of the dial and those stainless markers just annoy me.

Sorry. There is a lot to like about this watch but visually I think that more annoys me than makes me happy.

There, I said it. :-x

I hate to be negative. I love the case thickness and the bruteness of it. I like that Doxa used the 2892 movt. I like the HEV.

That exact watch with classic dial and thick rice bead, but classic dial being the important factor. Lose the shiny markers and put the text back where it belongs in the top left and bottom right quadrants, and I would be looking to sell stuff to buy one.

The problem, for me, is that with the shiny markers and centered dial text and regular looking bracelet, it looks like many other dive watches, losing much of what makes a Doxa unique. So, since I own this HEV monster already I just can't justify going for this new one since it lacks much of what draws me to the brand.


Wasted breath, Tom. I was chastised several times for saying mostly the same stuff you are. If you want my ideal of a Conquistador, look at the COSC 1000T and just add a HRV and be done with it. Perfect size, colors, traditional Doxa lettering at the crossed quarters position- everything. With the newer HRV looking like it is SMALLER than the original version, I can't see Doxa claiming it wouldn't fit the 1000T case.

Maybe Doxa could do another HRV watch just like what I am describing and call it the Seaconquerer Traditional or something. Not like it would cost them anything more, just drill the hole for the HRV and put it in the 1000T case.

[T Bone]

Maybe Doxa could do another HRV watch just like what I am describing and call it the Seaconquerer Traditional or something. Not like it would cost them anything more, just drill the hole for the HRV and put it in the 1000T case.

When they dropped the 600T in favor of the new larger 750T, many complained and were dissatisfied with the new larger size. Thought they ought to offer a smaller, more "vintage like" version. It took a while, but eventually they introduced the 1000T. This pleased many, but unfortunately, it occurred around the time of the demise (end of life) of the 750T model. Many decried the "new" smaller size as too small. They loved the 750T!

Well, now Doxa has announced the new, larger, 5000T. But many here don't like the ____________, or the __________, or the way the _________ does ________. But if given enough time, other models may be brought forth to cover some of the desires of the masses (a metric version has already been strongly hinted at, something MANY Doxa fans have requested).

In the end, there is no one perfect watch for everyone, let alone one perfect Doxa. They endeavor to provide what the masses want, and will buy (remember, they are above all else a business, which needs to generate a profit to stay afloat!).

I also prefer the "old" style off center printing, the various colored hands, the more vintage look. I like the larger size of the 750T (SO glad I have 4 counting my GMT!). But I've not yet seen the 1000T in person (about to rememdy that). Yet I also plan to purchase a 5000T in January (I love some of the new features, the clasp, the bigger beefier case, having the HRV even though I will never get any practical use out of it).

Thing is, it is still possible they may incorporate the HRV into more models in the future. But I also suspect they'd need to see a demand for such.

If enough people do ask, I'm sure it will eventually be built. But I suspect it'll take a perceived demand of a lot more than the 20 it takes to convince them of a specific dial color as a next run.

2¢

[Tom Connelly]

---snip----

Many decried the "new" smaller size as too small. They loved the 750T!

Well, now Doxa has announced the new, larger, 5000T. But many here don't like the ____________, or the __________, or the way the _________ does ________. But if given enough time, other models may be brought forth to cover some of the desires of the masses (a metric version has already been strongly hinted at, something MANY Doxa fans have requested).

In the end, there is no one perfect watch for everyone, let alone one perfect Doxa. They endeavor to provide what the masses want, and will buy (remember, they are above all else a business, which needs to generate a profit to stay afloat!).

I also prefer the "old" style off center printing, the various colored hands, the more vintage look. I like the larger size of the 750T (SO glad I have 4 counting my GMT!). But I've not yet seen the 1000T in person (about to rememdy that). Yet I also plan to purchase a 5000T in January (I love some of the new features, the clasp, the bigger beefier case, having the HRV even though I will never get any practical use out of it).

---snip----

2¢

Okay, but whatever the answer is, it wasn't jettisoning many of the things that make a Doxa so uniquely Doxa. 4¢ b-) As I said, I wish 'em luck anyway. If they sell them then I guess it's all good from the business perpective. I just can't understand why anyone would ask them for the centered dial printing, shiny markers, and a non rice bead bracelet. We already get that with Breitling et al. :-d

That T-Graph, however, is looking mighty fine. It's looking like the most desirable Doxa to me - I mean the old T-Graph but the new one is a looker as well.

I mention that because I mean it, and also so that my comments are not purely negative. The T-Graph and the 1000T are very nice. Too bad the 600T T-graph is sold out. I couldn't do it nor could I at the moment, but I had hoped eventually, which is why I HATE "limited editions" of that type of watch. I prefer a 3 register chrono. It's just preference. Congrats to those who nailed one.

[jclevoy]

.......................Too bad the 600T T-graph is sold out. I couldn't do it nor could I at the moment, but I had hoped eventually, which is why I HATE "limited editions" of that type of watch. I prefer a 3 register chrono. It's just preference. Congrats to those who nailed one.




Tom,
If you just save your hard earned pennies and wait for the perfect time, the 3-Register T-Graphs do pop-up in mint condition from time to time. I bought a T-Graph Pro (3 Register) from a gentleman in the south, and I swear, you would bet your life it was brand-new (other than the fact of being sized). Main difference now is the price. I paid $1700 for it back in the spring.

If you really want one, they do come available...........

[T Bone]

Okay, but whatever the answer is, it wasn't jettisoning many of the things that make a Doxa so uniquely Doxa. 4¢ b-) As I said, I wish 'em luck anyway. If they sell them then I guess it's all good from the business perpective. I just can't understand why anyone would ask them for the centered dial printing, shiny markers, and a non rice bead bracelet. We already get that with Breitling et al. :-d
---snip---

Well, I don't recall anyone asking for any of those items. I guess Doxa took it upon themselves to add what they considered advanced or upgraded features to their line of watches. BTW, the metal applied indecies were reported as a solution to adding more lume, something many did ask for (never understood it, mine are all readable throughout at least most of the night, and when I dove, I always carried at least one light-which could also recharge Luminova- even in daylight). But many did want more lume.The indecies certainly could have been painted if they chose to though.

I think these issues were addressed when Rick stated words to the effect that they wanted to create a more modern SUB, departing somewhat from the "traditional", vintage styled SUB, while still keeping it distinctively Doxa.

Oh, and they didn't jettison the other features you mention at all! They are still present on the brand new, just released 1000T, as well as the soon to be released 2 sub dial T-Graph.

JMHO, which to me is worth at least 4½¢ :-d. YMMV.

[Flyingdoctor]

Guys,

interesting reading as usual. Here's my take on it. No matter what Doxa did it wouldn't have pleased everyone. They had been criticised for just releasing the same watch over and over again but with a different number on the dial. I feel the criticism was unjustified as each generation was an improvement over the last. 300T reissue - unlike any other 300T. 600T virtually similar to vintage 300T but domed crystal and psudo ricebead bracelet. 750T - bigger, 120 clock bezel and flat crysal. 1000T - vintage dimensions (almost) and slightly domed crystal. So what were they to do? Go down the easy path? Use the 1000T case, beef it up to take 3000 or 4000 feet, (maybe not able to hit 5000 feet) and slap in a HRV. Make a bracelet which was individual bead and then sit back and wait for people to say "but it's just the same watch as a 1000T except it has a HRV in it... Jeez, how hard is it to drill a hole in a case"? Or do Doxa dare to try to evolve the SUB to a new level? Bigger, better, stronger, faster....we have the technology to rebuild it. Heck I sound like a Bionic Man trailer :-)

Sure Rick and the gang knew they were taking a risk with some of the changes. Shiney metal markers and no ricebead bracelet...... whooooo... what happend to the Doxa we knew and loved? Well I'll tell you what happened. It got better. It got way better. If you yearn for the real vintage iconic Doxa look, then buy a 1000T. Its a great watch, but if you want something that will make your jaw drop when you get it and is still unmistakeably Doxa then get a 5000T. The things I don't care for individually like the slightly domed crystal really work when you add all the bits together. 2 + 2 =5 with this watch. When I saw the prototype I too balked at the metal markers and shiney hands and the polished and brushed bracelet, but when I actually got the watch, I was converted immediately.

I'm sitting in a wee hotel in Saskatoon in Canada at the minute. I left home at 4:30 this morning and when I got up I decided I was going to wear something other than the vintage 300T. I opened the watch box and staring at me were the Sea-Dweller, Seamaster, 750T, GMT and the 5000T. The 5000T just looked so much more "alive". The shiney bits shone, the brushed bits looked smooth and finished, the dial looked far more vibrant than any of the other watches in the box and the crystal looked like a diamond. I just wanted to wear it.... BUT... I didn't. I chose the 750T. Lots of reasons, travelling, hotel, one off watch, damage, loss etc etc etc. But the point is I really wanted to wear the 5000T becauase it just looked like a million bucks. Everything else was dull in comparison. The fit, the finish, the class of the watch just spoke volumes.

Will everyone like it? Nope? Impossibility for that to happen. Will it be the watch that moves Doxa into the mainstream and Hollywood set? Well, it might just do that. It also might just get the recognition it deserves as being one of the finest dive watches on the market today.

Unfortunately you will have to take my word on it for another 3 or 4 weeks but Super SUB day is coming and then everyone will get to see what I've been seeing for the last few weeks.

Pete

[Tom Connelly]

---snip----

Unfortunately you will have to take my word on it for another 3 or 4 weeks but Super SUB day is coming and then everyone will get to see what I've been seeing for the last few weeks.

Pete

Well, Pete, I of course respect your opinions and insights.

I was under the impression that the centered dial text and the bracelet changes were asked for by forum members. I just couldn't understand why people would ask for that.

I had hoped that the HEV model wouldn't deviate so much from the norm. Just bigger and badder but retaining these iconic Doxa aspects.

Anyhoo, if I come into some money maybe I will try one to see what all the hubbub is about. :think: From pics I still think the 600T chrono is the biggest and baddest Doxa around.

[eeyan]

Hi guys!!! Very new here but I'm a recent Doxa Lover and I must say the 5000T ROCKS MY WORLD!!! :-!

I've been reading this thread with opinions of the 5000T deviating from the tradition. But for me, the tradition of Doxa isn't the off center DOXA logo or the rice beads bracelet or keeping the look of the past Doxa's.

For me the tradition of Doxa is IMPROVEMENT, ENHANCEMENT, QUALITY FORTIFICATION. Making a dive watch a better dive watch. That is the reason why back in the old days of Black, Mother of Pearl, or White dials, they came up with the Orange dial so that they can IMPROVE with low light legibility.

Has anybody noticed the new clasp design. Unlike other brands, you can be deep in water with thick gloves and loosen the divers extension without opening the clasp. That's one heck of a design.

The 5000T did away with the spring bars so we would not have to worry about losing it deep in the ocean if there is spring bar failure.

Bracelet links are solid and individual but is still as robust as any bracelet in the market. It has a look of a more balanced bracelet too.

The 2892-A2 is considered (I read in Wikipedia) as a direct competitor to Rolex's in house movement and its in the 5000T.

I just love its design and I can't thank Rick and Doxa enough for listening to our wish list of design features.

My sights are targeted to the 5000T Sharkhunter YEAH!!!:-!:-!:-!

Cheers everyone!!!:-!:-!:-!

[drhoop]

Well, I don't recall anyone asking for any of those items. I guess Doxa took it upon themselves to add what they considered advanced or upgraded features to their line of watches. BTW, the metal applied indecies were reported as a solution to adding more lume, something many did ask for (never understood it, mine are all readable throughout at least most of the night, and when I dove, I always carried at least one light-which could also recharge Luminova- even in daylight). But many did want more lume.The indecies certainly could have been painted if they chose to though.

I think these issues were addressed when Rick stated words to the effect that they wanted to create a more modern SUB, departing somewhat from the "traditional", vintage styled SUB, while still keeping it distinctively Doxa.

Oh, and they didn't jettison the other features you mention at all! They are still present on the brand new, just released 1000T, as well as the soon to be released 2 sub dial T-Graph.

JMHO, which to me is worth at least 4½¢ :-d. YMMV.

I agree with T Bone. The model that people are arguing here is already here with the COSC 1000T, all I'm seeing that is desired is the HRV. If Doxa has to keep every one of the features of the vintage model in the new models, then they are just recreating the same watch over and over with slightly different features (casesize, crystal, colors, etc.) The 5000T is a new model to appeal to much the same crowd, as well as a new crowd. The fact is, whether or not the forum requested centering the logo, the forum did request nearly every other feature incorporated into the 5000T.

And I cannot agree with the post that said the 5000T looks like every other dive watch - if that is true, then I challenge anyone to post a picture of another current model dive watch that looks just like the 5000T with the same features. Anyone???

[Tom Connelly]

And I cannot agree with the post that said the 5000T looks like every other dive watch - if that is true, then I challenge anyone to post a picture of another current model dive watch that looks just like the 5000T with the same features. Anyone???

You're being too literal. I never meant EXACTLY like, just sharing too much in common with every other high end watch - shiny applied markers and centered dial text is on most of them. They deviated from the "Doxa way", IMNSHO. Also, the bracelet is not rice bead but just another very similar linked bracelet. A rice bead in that thickness with that clasp AND traditional Doxa dial is what I wanted in a super sub, along with the nice thick case and the HEV is a nice over engineering thing that most of us would never need but hey it's nice to have what the other premium divers already have.

I can understand why they did it, but I don't have to like it. I'm also not saying that I couldn't warm to it, in time. I just really preferred the old style but I like the huge size since I already have a 600T Divingstar and the 1000T, as nice as it is, is in the similar size to the 600T so I don't really crave that.

[drhoop]

I understand your point but I didn't think you meant "exactly" either. I don't know of other dive watches that have the bezel, case shape, etc. as the Doxa. They have added the polished markers and a chunkier bracelet (which forum members have been asking for) and those features can be found on other watches - that's true. But so can orange minute hands. I still think the 5000 stands unique even though it shares some features as other watches. But your earlier post made it sound like Doxa has made the 5000T like any ole runofthemill dive watch - and that is what I don't agree with.

[Tom Connelly]

They took a totally unique look, and watered it down with some things that you can find in many other brands' watches. That is what I meant. You can disagree, but as I just worded it you can't really argue with it.

Look, I don't want to start a jihad over this. Like I said, it might grow on me. I just know though that if you took that watch, added a super thick rice bead bracelet with the original dial and hands - I would be in love.

[simonsev]

I have almost pulled the trigger on DOXA a number of times, every time I reconsider as my perfect DOXA is just not there yet, I can see it however, 5000T, black face, white date font on black background and metric on the bezel, credit card is ready and waiting..................

[Ray K]

I too, love the basic form and function of the 5000T. It's a class watch. But, I haven't ordered one because of the several things they changed. I love the classic Doxa dial, offset logo and black/white markers. That would do it for me. I'd also much prefer the new, bolder (like on the GMT) rice bead bracelet. With the classic dial, I'd probably order the watch right away. With the addition of the rice bead bracelet, I'd be hard pressed to keep my Master Card in my wallet. What do you say, Doxa? Might we call it the limited edition AquaMaster? Or, Conquistador II? OR, whatever? I'd buy this watch.

[drhoop]

I too, love the basic form and function of the 5000T. It's a class watch. But, I haven't ordered one because of the several things they changed. I love the classic Doxa dial, offset logo and black/white markers. That would do it for me. I'd also much prefer the new, bolder (like on the GMT) rice bead bracelet. With the classic dial, I'd probably order the watch right away. With the addition of the rice bead bracelet, I'd be hard pressed to keep my Master Card in my wallet. What do you say, Doxa? Might we call it the limited edition AquaMaster? Or, Conquistador II? OR, whatever? I'd buy this watch.

Sounds like you are describing the 750T Pro with the GMT bracelet. :think: - you can order the bracelet from Doxa, and get the 750T.

[Ray K]

Sounds like you are describing the 750T Pro with the GMT bracelet. :think: - you can order the bracelet from Doxa, and get the 750T.

Well, close but several very imporant improvements I find very attractive in the new 5000T. 1) The helium escape valve brought back after all these years. And 2) The improved 2892 movement.

Just don't like the new dial. And prefer the classic bracelet.

[jclevoy]

...................And prefer the classic bracelet.



The jury is still out for me. I am a BIG fan of the GMT bracelet (I think I have purchased 6 extras from Doxa:oops:) but I really like the ratcheting feature of the 5000T. I have to wait until I see a 5000T in the flesh. Doc Pete's praises go a LONG way with convincing me about the 5000T;-)

[watchu2]

I just ordered mine. This looks to be an outstanding upgrade in every way. I hope to be as impressed in person as I am on the website. I am sure I will be. Can't wait for delivery!:-!

[patriot021]

Hey, Doctor Pete- Do you see yourself adding a SUB5000T chapter to future aditions of your book? How about one of those after thought book add-ons that glue to the inside back cover? I'M ready to drop the $ on a watch book, but since I have a SUB5KMilShark, I don't want to miss out on a future book upgrade, if you choose to do something like that...