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POBEDA- IS IT GENUINE?

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By the way the free strap is made in Poland ("Skóra Naturalna" = "natural leather")
 
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The watch isn't original: it has Pobeda dial installed into a Sportivnie watch.

#0563 at USSR times is a franken watch too: has wrong hands, sportivnie movement in a typical 15j Pobeda watch with snap-on back-case. Winding crown belonged to a watch from Petrodvorec Factory.
 
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Thanks for the tip. I checked.
The barrel wheels of 0333, 0390, and 0625 say "ГС МЧЗ" or "1 МЧЗ", which is correct since they are produced by 1 MWF.
The barrel wheel of 0563 says "Pobeda" in Cyrillic, which seems consistent with the Cyrillic Pobeda dial and the rest of the movement.
 
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Sorry, the catalogs are not a final argument. ;-)
They could indicate that a certain watch existed (sometimes they present watches that probably never existed, e.g. Slava 31 jewels, but this is another topic).
There are quite a few real, factory-made watches which are not presented in any catalog (e.g. Slava 32 jewels, but also many others).
One real, tangible watch is a better proof than any paper. "Material evidence" rules.:)
 
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Sorry but I cannot agree with you in this case. We aren't talking about ultra-rare examples like Antarktida, Cosmonaut, Slava 31j etc. Pobeda was the most popular and mass-made wrist-watch in the USSR which was produced with strict accordance to the GOST (state standard). The watch in question has many evident signs of tampering and I already explained which ones: wrong hands, wrong winding crown, wrong movement. If you still believe that it's authentic - well you're welcome to think so :) Here is another great 'material evidence' watch: #0026
 
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I agree there were some Pobeda watches in Sportivne cases. These were the black dialed ones with lume - there are far too many of these to say they're all frankenwatches. This one however is Sportivne with Pobeda dial. this dial was used in normal, snap-back Pobeda. Also the hands are from Sportivne (the one with lume). Now getting back to the watches that never existed, i'd be very cautious saying so. A few years ago Vostok 2803 was only a "prototype" or maybe even a legend and now we know there were even a few versions of this rare watch. So I think we should sit back and watch - maybe some day we'll see a 31j Slava, why not :D ?
 
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