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    Quote Originally Posted by Huliganchik View Post
    Why is it strange? Would professional services it for less than $100? What I am trying to question weather it's worth paying the price of a watch to have it serviced.
    Yes, Vostok service costs me about 20$. The 3133 is the only one that would cost more - about 50$.
    But it's not about the price. It's about the added value, as someone has already mentioned. I don't care how much my watch costs, as I buy only those I LIKE, and they all become only more valuable to me with time. What would be really strange is to buy a watch that you don't like. And as i love my watches, I will service them no matter the cost.
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    Is the Russian watch industry similar to China's in that they started out with studying Swiss movements then proceeded to make modified versions?
    It's similar indeed, though both Russian and China watch industries have their own inventions.
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    Russia can be considered the birthplace of mass manufacturing of mechanical watch movements.
    Look at any Raketa 26xxN /NA to see how standardised they are and how modifications / complications / enhancements can be simply added as additional modules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cuthbert View Post
    Besides few exceptions (chronos, Poljot diver...) I got those for less than 50 euros. You can get a nice new Amphibia by Zenitar or Meranom for the same price, if you are good you can regulate yourself to an acceptable accurcay (let's say less than 15 sec/day).

    I wouldn't worry about spare parts and servicing at least for Vostok, you can find everything at Meranom (even entire movements) and anyway servicing intervals are 10 years..officially, in reality none of the watches you see in the collection has always been serviced besides one Albatros.

    If you need service there are Russian and Ukrainian specialists like Favinov or IgorIV who can do that for $60.



    The 2416 has a power reserve of abut 34 h, quite consistent. Not too much but found out that wearing it for one hour is usually enough, but of course it can be handwound and actually it's quite pleasant, just the GS movement is more pleasant to wind it up.
    Yea I'm not worried about regulating. I was able to get invicta with cheap Seiko mvmt. with my timegrapher down to about 2 sec a day when worn and beat error to under 0.5 msec. Beat rate is not consistent across multiple positions to qualify for cosc requirements, but I never expected it on $100 watch. As for servicing, I'd rather buy another 50 euros watch than paying more than that to service it. If it lasts 10 years that would make a good beater watch I guess. Thanks a lot for your input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinrich Faust View Post
    Yes, Vostok service costs me about 20$. The 3133 is the only one that would cost more - about 50$.
    But it's not about the price. It's about the added value, as someone has already mentioned. I don't care how much my watch costs, as I buy only those I LIKE, and they all become only more valuable to me with time. What would be really strange is to buy a watch that you don't like. And as i love my watches, I will service them no matter the cost.
    It's similar indeed, though both Russian and China watch industries have their own inventions.
    I see your point and surely respect it. I've played way more servicing my high end watches, but that involves take movement apart, replacing worn out parts, re-oiling etc. Ratio of service cost to its value is less though, but to your point I will keep servicing them no matter the cost. Hopefully I will pass it on to my kids one day. Love to Russian watches on this thread impresses me. I always wanted to pay tribute to the old country. A lot of memories there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kayeng View Post
    Is the Russian watch industry similar to China's in that they started out with studying Swiss movements then proceeded to make modified versions?

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    The Soviet industry started before WWII, they bought entire production lines from Americans (Elgin if I remember correctly).

    Most of our watches have indigenous Soviet movements, namely the Vostoks are copies of nothing, while for the chronographs the Soviets first took fer German movements (Tutima) "POWs" after the war, then they bought the 150 movement from Venus (and slightly modified), then they bought the 7734 from Valjoux and they completely redesign it with a lot of improvements (3133).

    With the money given by the Soviet financed the development of the automatic 7750, in the case you are interested.

    Quote Originally Posted by Huliganchik View Post
    I see your point and surely respect it. I've played way more servicing my high end watches, but that involves take movement apart, replacing worn out parts, re-oiling etc. Ratio of service cost to its value is less though, but to your point I will keep servicing them no matter the cost. Hopefully I will pass it on to my kids one day. Love to Russian watches on this thread impresses me. I always wanted to pay tribute to the old country. A lot of memories there.

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    In this case I would recommend to invest in a nice Soviet watch with some value like a gold (real gold) Poljot Deluxe.

    Either with the automatic Orbita movement or the Vympel manual it was on pair with the best Swiss competition of the time (Longines, Zenith, Omega) and it is worth servicing.
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    Are the designs of the Vostok "classic" series the exact same ones they produced in the 60's and 70's? And therefore can be called brand new vintage? Or are they completely different? Slightly different?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kayeng View Post
    Is the Russian watch industry similar to China's in that they started out with studying Swiss movements then proceeded to make modified versions?
    Complete watch manufacturing in the USSR began with the purchase of equipment and hire of expertise from the US companies Dueber-Hampton and Ansonia. Later there was technical cooperation with French company Lip, the acquisition of German designs via war reparations, and finally some purchase of Swiss designs. After that, most designs were in-house.

    The Chinese watch industry started with a few limited experiments in reverse-engineering and adaptation (that mostly went nowhere), followed by several purchases of Swiss equipment and designs (and one Soviet design) to successfully launch mass production, followed by the introduction of in-house Chinese designs. Modified versions of Swiss designs came decades later in response to resurgent demand for mechanical watches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kayeng View Post
    Are the designs of the Vostok "classic" series the exact same ones they produced in the 60's and 70's? And therefore can be called brand new vintage? Or are they completely different? Slightly different?

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    Some of the cases of the "classic" series haven't been changed since the 80s, namely the 960 (Neptune) and the 420.

    The "Ministry" case has been slightly changed (smaller), the Albatros current case is somewhat similar to the Soviet Albatros but bigger (and thicker, the original Albatros was handwinding only).

    The movement is the same from the late 70s, they just added 10 jewels to the autowinding systems instead of two bearings, so yes, it's the Amphibia is a sort of vintage diver of the 60s/70s still in production, the technology and features (including bad lume, bidirectional friction bezel, folded steel bracelet) are the same of a Swiss diver of that era, for instance the Submariner:

    This is as good (or as bad) as this one:



    Please appreciate the folded steel bracelet...of course the Sub was better made as they didn't make as many as Amphibias per year.

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    Huliganchik you're a girl

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    Quote Originally Posted by engblom View Post
    Living in a neighbor country to Russia and seen all kind of USSR products, I highly doubt the USSR watches were of higher quality than currently produced ones. The bad ones made during the USSR era probably just got thrown away long time ago, which is why some might perceive the vintage ones to be of better quality.
    That is true with any product. Cars, motorcycles, watches, appliances... Well made ones has survived. But we have to also consider the fact that products with higher price have been most likely repaired without regarding the cost.

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