I took a calculated gamble on a saturn and a signal from seller rarityclub. I first put the watches up here Three vintage arrivals
but thought they deserved a thread of their own.
As Paul mentioned, the snake hand should not be on this dial with the inner scale for the alarm.
Mark Gordon has a "big roman XII" up with stick hands and a short stick alarm hand
Then Dmitry has this one up on his collection, obviously poljot branded. but with a long snake alarm hand (but stick hands otherwise)
Wasn't too sure about the breitling lumed hands, seemingly most are stick but there are these ....
In all probably not original, but a mix of somewhat original parts. Could be better, but it has the old Signal aura, and at least there is no Tiger tank or Me-109 on the dial
Not that there is necessarily something wrong with Tiger tanks and Me-109s, mind, they were not always used in a positive manner, but a macine is a machine ....
Then there is the Saturn. There seem a lot of these around on he 'bay, many obvious redials. A bit like the shturmanskies.
I got it becausee the dial felt not too new, not too fake, and could actually be real.
The above is a seller pic. It would be hard to fake this level of wear, even if minor. You can perhaps throw a blanket over a new chair and beat it up with a baseball bat to make it look old, but that would not work here. If a fake I would consider it an old fake.
Now the dial is obvoiusly missing the bubble that they seem to have on the reference sites like Mark's (I had actually missed that until Paul drew my attention to it)
A movement picture from the seller.
Two very similar watches showed up in this thread.
Saturn - authentication comments please
And looking at these, it seems these crystals don't have a bubble crystal either.
And the hands seem similar to mine.
My own vibe is that I got a winner with the saturn, but am willing to remain skeptical.
The case, crown, dial, hands, crown, all seem to have the same degree (or relative lack thereof) of patina. The more I look at it the more I like it. To a degree that holds true for the big XII signal as well although I wish it had the stick hands and the small alarm hand. Still, with that reference from Dmitry's site this may actually be original as well.
Did not break the bank for either watch about $70 f0r the signal, and $75 for the saturn. Feeling pretty good about them. Even if not original, they are interesting. And will be worn without shame or embarrasment (I still have to put the Volna 2809 redial on my wrist also featured in my original thread).
I appreciate your input.