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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    Quote Originally Posted by nht View Post
    Well... i post a link to a 2001 Vostok Catologue: http://minidocs8.no.sapo.pt/Vostok%2...20-%202001.pdf

    - As you can see, confirm 091 code for non-star Generalskie type case.
    - Picture 10 has case type 93x

    - Note case 52x type too:

    - and more...


    Well... i hope this help

    And Thanks for this great job !
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    I have recognized the source...Chasprom website
    I did not thought that they had still the 2001 catalogue!

    Note that the Generalskie automatic case (crown guards) is indicated as 091, it's the same as the USSR version, but with much smaller crown. I wonder if the code is the same for both the versions.
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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    Quote Originally Posted by michele View Post
    GREAT NUNO
    I have recognized the source...Chasprom website
    I did not thought that they had still the 2001 catalogue!

    Note that the Generalskie automatic case (crown guards) is indicated as 091, it's the same as the USSR version, but with much smaller crown. I wonder if the code is the same for both the versions.
    I can't remember where i downloaded this catalogue... but i think you are right

    About Generaslkie... it seems they have both types of Generalskie (with the 2 crown sizes)...
    See page 11, first line - 2nd and 3th watches...
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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    NHT,

    Thank you so much for pointing me to the catalogue, which helps a lot, I wonder if there are more out there...

    I have identified more variants too, and will go over it with a fine tooth comb again.

    On Page 5 of the catalogue, second row, fifth from left, has case type 74x, which looks suspiciously like the asymmetrical oval case! The image is quite small so I cannot see clearly though.

    I also see case type 70x which appears round, on Page 8, row three, fifth from left; row four, second to fourth from left. Again I cannot see its details clearly.

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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    Quote Originally Posted by Seele View Post

    On Page 5 of the catalogue, second row, fifth from left, has case type 74x, which looks suspiciously like the asymmetrical oval case! The image is quite small so I cannot see clearly though.

    I also see case type 70x which appears round, on Page 8, row three, fifth from left; row four, second to fourth from left. Again I cannot see its details clearly.
    Case 74x seems quite symmetrical - a sort of Ministry case with bevelled angles. The 70x seems closer to an asymmetrical design, but the crown is small and it's not recessed.
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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    Thanks Michele; I am waiting for more information on these two cases, and have also added the "gear" type in your other thread.

    Here is the much awaited work-in-progress Komandirskie list:

    Third digit of "1" means chrome plated brass, "9" means titanium nitride finish which gives gold tone, but harder-wearing than gold.

    Case type: 34x


    Characteristics: with smoothly extending crown guards but slightly smaller. When seen from the front, the bezel covers the case perimeter between the lugs at each end.
    Movements: 2409, 2414, 2414A
    Reference pages:
    Phil:
    infantry-watches1
    infantry-watches5
    infantry-watches6
    infantry-watches7
    infantry-watches8
    infantry-watches11
    vostok1990-navy
    submarine4
    submarine5
    commemorative-army2
    commemorative-army7
    commemorative-army9
    commemorative-army11
    Mark Gordon: Nos. 0078, 0118, 0119, 0120, 0122, 0179, 0204, 0205, 0206, 0207, 0430, 0739, 0746, 0748, 0750, 0753, 0756, 0758, 0771, 0772, 0797
    Michele Cuoccio:
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc01979.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc01965.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc01974.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc01991.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02005.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02017.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02021.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02674.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02030.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/DSC01751.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc03072.jpg
    NHT:
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...%20Dourada.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...%20Dourada.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...%20-Rodina.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...%20Carrier.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...o)%20-%201.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...aratrooper.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...O%20CCCP_2.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...0MO%20CCCP.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...CP%20-%204.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...O%20CCCP_3.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...O%20CCCP_4.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...20B%20CCCP.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...20B%20CCCP.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...nk%20-%202.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...kie%20Tank.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...Dourada%29.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...Dourado%29.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...%20(Preto).jpg
    Robert Prochowicz:
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie

    Note: While it is discontinued, this appears to be a most common Komandirskie case style. Most examples seen appear to have flat-ended crowns but those with equally large dome-topped crowns are not unusual. Robert Prochowicz's 3073 has an unusual, perhaps non-standard bezel fitted which is smaller.


    Case type: 09x


    Characteristics: originally a Generalskie design resembling Type 34x but slightly bigger. When viewed from the front, the case perimeter can be seen between the lugs, not obscured by a standard bezel.
    Movement: 2416, 2416B 21-jewel
    Reference pages:
    Phil:
    sport-watches8
    Mark Gordon: Nos. 0114, 0311, 0738, 0751, 0759, 0790
    Michele Cuoccio:
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02074.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02070.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02086.jpg
    NHT:
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...skie%20BKC.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...20B%20CCCP.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...ead%202416.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...0in%20USSR.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...28Preto%29.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...Icebreaker.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...kie%20Tank.jpg
    Robert Prochowicz:
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Generalskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie

    Note: Most examples are signed Komandirskie, but some are signed Generalskie, Admiralskie, or even Albatross.


    Case type: 33x


    Characteristics: cushion case with 2 o'clock crown
    Movement: 2414, 2414A
    References pages:
    Phil:
    infantry-watches10
    Mark Gordon: Nos. 0175, 0757, 0793
    Michele Cuoccio:
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc01996.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc01998.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02014.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02068.jpg
    NHT:
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...%20Yeltsin.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...o)%20-%202.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...astanho%29.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...29%20-%202.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...%20(Verde).jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...Preto%29_2.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...%20(Verde).jpg
    Robert Prochowicz:
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie

    Note: Most examples appear to have larger size dome-topped crowns but those with flat-ended crowns have also been recorded.


    Case type: ??x


    Characteristics: Cushion case as type 33x but with 3 o'clock crown.
    Movement: 2414
    Reference pages:
    Mark Gordon: Nos. 0336, 0755
    Robert Prochowicz:
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie

    Note: Compared to the type 33x case, this version appears to be more scarce.


    Case type: 92x

    Characteristics: round case
    Movement: 2416b
    Reference pages:
    Mark Gordon: No. 0792
    Michele Cuoccio:
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02131.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02138.jpg


    Case type: 21x

    Characteristics: case with stepped extensions towards the lugs, very small crown guards.
    Movement: 2414A
    Rererence pages:
    Mark Gordon Nos. 0774, 0775, 0794
    Robert Prochowicz:
    Komandirskie


    Case type: 43x

    Characteristics: round case with angular tapering lugs and wide crown guards.
    Movement: 2414A
    Reference page:
    NHT:
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...o%20Moscow.jpg


    Case type: 81x

    Characteristics: round case with flared lugs and small crown guards.
    Movement: 2414A
    Reference page:
    Mark Gordon: No. 0747

    *needs better picture


    Case type: 52x


    Characteristics: round case with comma-shaped lugs, no crown guards.
    Movement: 2416b
    Reference page:
    Phil:
    commemorative-army10


    Case type: 53x

    Characteristics: star shape case with 2 o'clock crown
    Movement: 2414A
    Reference pages:
    Phil:
    vostok-admiralskie
    Mark Gordon No. 0766, 0768
    Michele Cuoccio:
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02134.jpg
    NHT:
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...%20Dourada.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...urada%29_2.jpg
    Robert Prochowicz:
    Komandirskie
    Generalskie

    Note: first made as Generalskie, from 2004-5 sold as Komandirskie. Some examples have dials signed Admiralskie.


    Case type: 64x


    Characteristics: a newer, more angular design, the corners of the strap at the lug ends are particially obscurd by the lugs.
    Movements: 2414A, 2434
    Reference page:
    Phil:
    commemorative-army4


    Case type: ???


    Characteristics: small flared lugs, narrow crown guards.
    Movement: 2414A
    Reference page:
    Robert Prochowicz:
    Komandirskie

    Note: Usually with black bezel and released as commemorative editions, such as anniversary of the end of WWII.


    Case type: 39x

    Characteristics: resembles type 34x but with a more gentle curve on the right hand edges, thus having smaller crown guard.
    Movement: 2424
    Reference page:
    NHT:
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actual/Vostok%2024h.jpg


    Case type: 93x

    Characteristics: generally oval in shape with rounded lugs corners, and has a large semi-circular crown guard which shields almost the whole length of the crown.
    Movement: 2414A


    Case type: 59x

    Characteristics: bears a resemblance to Type 34x but with sweeping curves on he right side, the bezel touches the curve when seen from the front.
    Movement: 2409


    Case type: ???

    Characteristics: oval shape, asymmetrical
    Movement: 2414?

    *more information needed, and the illustrated example might not be original, or at least not in the form that it was intended to be as a production model.


    Case type: ???

    Characteristics: with wavy outline
    Movement: 2414?

    *more information needed


    Case type: ???

    Characteristics: with extended lugs
    Movement: 2414?

    *more information needed


    Case type: ???

    Characteristics: round case with perimeter looking like straight-cut gear
    Movement: 2414?

    *more information needed


    Case type: 74x

    *more information needed


    Case type: 70x

    *more information needed
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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    Quote Originally Posted by Seele View Post
    Case type: ???

    Characteristics: 300m tonneau
    Movement: 2209
    Reference pages:
    Phil:
    divers4
    Mark Gordon No. 0075
    NHT:
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...bia%20300m.jpg

    *I have not compared this against a 200m Tonneau, Type 119, so cannot tell if they are different. For now I have given it a conjectural code, Type 630.
    A pic by "Strela" confirm case type 630 and dial 906 for this 300m tonneau Amphibia (1986):


    But my 300m have another code (and with 1 more digit): 2209 / 1190906
    As you can see, same movement (2209), same dial code (906), but different type case code (1190) - and with 4 digits...

    The difference is that mine 300m was produced in 1981...


    About comparision with 200m tonneau, a pic by Phill can help:
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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    And if you want to add an early Komandirskie type with a 2234 hackable movement, i have one from 1982 with papers (case type 793)
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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    Thanks NHT for the information on the two tonneau case! The information have been integrated into the original list.

    For now the project only covers the "classic" case types with bezels, the earlier ones are outside the project's scope, as are the Partner series; that would be a whole new can of worms!

    Thank you again!:thanks

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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    Two unusual cases - one from Rastafar collection (IMG_4069 -) and one from Katolik's (http://forum.watch.ru/showthread.php?t=820&page=119).

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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    Storyteller,

    Thanks for the lead!

    This first picture seem to show earlier versions of the Ministry; I remember some time ago there was a thread on the different generations of the Ministry case.



    The second picture seems to show a case resembling the Type 060 but without crown guards: is it steel or chrome-on-brass... interesting thought!


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