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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    Quote Originally Posted by Seele View Post
    This first picture seem to show earlier versions of the Ministry; I remember some time ago there was a thread on the different generations of the Ministry case.
    Note that the "Ministry" case to the left isn't original, as said Katolik in this post:

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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    Quote Originally Posted by Seele View Post
    The second picture seems to show a case resembling the Type 060 but without crown guards: is it steel or chrome-on-brass... interesting thought!

    Am i wrong, or the lugs on this one are slightly asymmetrical?
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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    NHT,

    Thank you for your tip; that's the thread I was looking for. So is it fair to say that there are two Ministry case types?

    The "lugs on back" design is indeed very unusual, I have to think about that.

    Michele,

    To my eyes, it does not seem to be asymmetrical; it could just be the foreshortening effect of the picture.

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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    Quote Originally Posted by Seele View Post
    So is it fair to say that there are two Ministry case types?
    Yes... AFAIK, there are only 2 Ministry case types - old and new (710) :

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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    BTW, i have found two Vostok boxes with papers. Codes of the cases are 051 and 059, chrome and titanium-nitride. Both refers to a Vostok 2409 movement.
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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    Quote Originally Posted by michele View Post
    BTW, i have found two Vostok boxes with papers. Codes of the cases are 051 and 059, chrome and titanium-nitride. Both refers to a Vostok 2409 movement.
    Very intriguing indeed: makes me wonder what the watches actually look like!

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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    Quote Originally Posted by Seele View Post
    Very intriguing indeed: makes me wonder what the watches actually look like!
    If i'm not wrong, the cases contained standard 34x Komandirskies, of course documents were not matching.

    Maybe the codes refer to the small "Cadet" model? Movement is that one, and they were available in chrome or titanium-nitride.
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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    As my original posts listing the Amphibia and Komandirskie case types are old enough not to allow me to edit anymore, I have to post the lists again with new revisions; here's the updated Amphibia list, updated Komandirskie list to come later.


    Amphibia models are with stainless steel case, and in Vostok's six-digit code, the third digit being "0" signifies that (although an exception has been found), and the first two digits indicate the actual design of the case.

    For illustrations I will try to use Phil's pictures as far as I can.

    Additional notes in italics are more of less "points to investigate further" and I would greatly appreciate any help from fellow members.


    Case type: 350

    Characteristics: round case, swivel lugs
    Movement: 2209, 2214
    Reference pages:
    Phil:
    http://www.netgrafik.ch/images/vostok_space2.jpg
    divers1
    divers2
    Mark Gordon Nos. 0662, 0754, 1135, 1298
    Michele Cuoccio:
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02168.jpg
    NHT:
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...k_Amphibia.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...ibia_White.jpg

    Note: Although the Maiers' page shows one with flat-ended Amphibia crown, it has date (presumably 2214 movement) and regular Amphibia hands. Those shown by Phil have dome-tipped crowns and earlier forms of hands, including one with paddle hands. Mark Gordon's 0662 also shows dome-tipped crown, but with unusual combination of hands and a Komandirskie-signed dial with date, powered by a 2214 movement. An example was used by Yuri Viktorovitch Romanenko in the Soyuz 38 space mission, September 1980. Additional variants are documented with wire loops instead of the pressed metal lugs, and with rivets replaced by pieces of wire.



    Case type: 470

    Characteristics: octagonal case, often with dial signed Albatross
    Movement: 2409, 2409A
    Reference pages:
    Phil:
    infantry-watches9
    vostok-albatros
    vostok-radio-room
    sport-watches14
    Mark Gordon Nos. 0115, 0740, 0787, 1195, 1245
    Michele Cuoccio:
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02107.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02108.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02113.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02124.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02119.jpg
    NHT:
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...20B%20CCCP.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...l%20Branco.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...timagnetic.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...a_Albatros.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...20B%20CCCP.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...20B%20CCCP.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...hed%20Case.jpg
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    amfibia
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Albatros
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    Amfibia
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    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie

    Note: Mark Gordon's 1195 is fitted with a Komandirskie MOD dial with date and powered by a 2234 movement. Robert Prochowicz's 3037 appears to have a 2414 movement and Komandirskie hands, which may or may not be original. Most, if not all of them are equipped with a soft metal antimagnetic shield covering the back of the movement. Examples have been documented with polished or brushed finish on the case.

    *It is possible that both Mark Gordon's 1195 and Robert Prochowicz's 3037 are spurious pieces, need to look into them.



    Case type: ???


    Characteristics: The lugs are formed in one piece with the case back.
    Movement: 2409
    Reference page:
    http://forums.watchuseek.com/f10/int...ml#post2993975

    Note: this is a most unusual design found by member katolik.



    Case type: First as 1190, then 630

    Characteristics: 300m tonneau
    Movement: 2209
    Reference pages:
    Phil:
    divers4
    Mark Gordon No. 0075
    NHT:
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...bia%20300m.jpg

    Note: The three verified examples, produced in 1981 and 1986, show different type numbers, as 1190 and 630 respectively. Lug width is 22mm.



    Case type: 119

    Characteristics: 200m tonneau
    Movement: 2209
    Reference pages:
    Phil:
    sport-watches18
    Mark Gordon: Nos. 0172, 0394, 0669
    Michele Cuoccio:
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02156.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02163.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02151.jpg
    NHT:
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...%20Tonneau.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...%20Tonneau.jpg
    Robert Prochowicz:
    Amfibia_A
    Amfibia

    Note: The 119 appellation does not follow the established convention. The difference between the 300m and 200m versions can be seen here:




    Case type: 960

    Characteristics: "Neptune" case, single lug in middle
    Movement: 2409, 2414b 21-jewel and 31-jewel
    Reference pages:
    Ed Brandwein:
    Ed's Corner: Another interesting old Vostok Amphibia Cosmonaut
    Ed's Corner: Vostok Neptune Review
    Phil:
    divers3
    Mark Gordon Nos. 0208, 0547
    NHT:
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...nue%20Case.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...une%20Blue.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...ne%20Brown.jpg

    Note:
    Originally a variant of the Amphibia case with a slightly oval shape, it is not yet known if the type number 930 was assigned at the time. First made with brushed finish and a variety of dials. Most are with 21-jewel automatic movements with date, Mark Gordon's 0280 is powered by a 2409, however. Later on, this case, with confirmed appellation of Type 930, was used in the Neptune series with a distinctive dial design, polished finish, and equipped with 31-jewel version of the automatic movement.



    Case type: 020

    Characteristics: round case, thinner case body
    Movement: 2409
    Reference pages:
    Phil:
    submarine3
    Mark Gordon: No. 0116
    Michele Cuoccio:
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02090.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02096.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02104.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02130.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02136.jpg
    NHT:
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...%20(Creme).jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...Creme%29_2.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...ic%20Green.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...%20(Verde).jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...e%20Branco.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...0in%20USSR.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...20B%20CCCP.jpg
    Robert Prochowicz:
    Amfibia
    Amfibia
    Amfibia
    Amfibia
    DSC06039-1
    Amfibia
    Amfibia
    Amfibia
    Amfibia

    Note: the thinner case body can take only the 2409 hand-wind movement, with a slightly domed case back. Middle section of the case is 2mm thick.



    Case type: 420

    Characteristics: round case, thicker case body
    Movement: 2416b, 21-jewel and 31-jewel
    Reference pages:
    Mark Gordon: Nos. 0316, 0759, 0789, 0791
    Michele Cuoccio:
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02509.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02082.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02127.jpg
    NHT:
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...B%20POCCNN.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...ude%202416.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...B%20POCCNN.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...20Limitada.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...0IN%20USSR.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...t%20Helmet.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...k%20Rocket.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...bia%20Tank.jpg
    Robert Prochowicz:
    Amfibia
    Amfibia
    Amfibia
    Amfibia
    Amfibia
    Amfibia
    Amfibia

    Note: the Type 420 case can be considered as a development of the Type 020 case, the only difference is that it is slightly thicker, at 3mm, to accommodate the 2414 automatic movement, as seen in this picture by NHT. Its case back has a more pronounced dome.


    *More information would be needed for both Type 020 and Type 420 cases, and the two possible versions of the latter.



    Case type: ???

    Characteristics: large round case
    Movement: 2414 21-jewel
    Reference Pages:
    http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s...16/zulu011.jpg
    Ed Brandwein:
    DSCN2918.JPG (image)
    Mark Gordon: No.0773

    Note: When seen from the front, the case perimeter extends well beyond the bezel.



    Case type: ???

    Characteristics: "Old Ministry"
    Movement: 2416b 21-jewel
    Reference page:
    Phil:
    divers6
    NHT:
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...1%20jewels.jpg



    Case type: 710

    Characteristics: current model Ministry case
    Movement: 2416b
    Reference pages:
    NHT:
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...B%20POCCNN.jpg



    Case type: 060

    Characteristics: long case with hidden lugs
    Movement: 2416b



    Case type: ???

    Characteristics: vaguely regular octagonal shape, no crown guard
    Movement: 2409A, 2414
    Reference page:
    Mark Gordon: No. 0506
    NHT:
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...20B%20CCCP.jpg
    http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/15/p1000743a.jpg
    Robert Prochowicz:
    Amfibia
    Amfibia
    Amfibia

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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    This looks like another example of katolik's unusual case, again with date. (Часовой форум Watch.Ru - Альбом TrushIN: Мои Востоки - Изображение). And one more from Rastafar80 collection (http://photofile.ru/users/ussr-watch...#mainImageLink). The case looks black, why? Take a look also at the crown guards of this one (http://photofile.ru/users/ussr-watch...#mainImageLink), I wonder if it is Komandirskie or Amphibia (since it has the scuba diver on its dial).
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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    Quote Originally Posted by storyteller View Post
    This looks like another example of katolik's unusual case, again with date. (Часовой форум Watch.Ru - Альбом TrushIN: Мои Востоки - Изображение). And one more from Rastafar80 collection ( :: USSR watches collection). The case looks black, why? Take a look also at the crown guards of this one ( :: USSR watches collection), I wonder if it is Komandirskie or Amphibia (since it has the scuba diver on its dial).
    It appears to be the traditional and rare Komandirskie with plastic case... (but with a Amphibia dial...)

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