Vostok classification database draft

**storyteller** · August 23rd, 2010

Corrected two links in my previous posting. Another interesting case from technik's collection in watch.ru, (Ð§Ð°ÑÐ¾Ð²Ð¾Ð¹ Ñ„Ð¾Ñ€ÑƒÐ¼ Watch.Ru - ÐÐ»ÑŒÐ±Ð¾Ð¼ Technik: Ð§Ð°ÑÑ‹,ÐºÐ¾Ñ‚Ð¾Ñ€Ñ‹Ðµ Ð½Ð¾ÑˆÑƒ) - Ð˜Ð·Ð¾Ð±Ñ€Ð°Ð¶ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ðµ).

**Seele** · August 26th, 2010

Now: updated version of the Komandirskie list. As before, information requests are in italics. I have left out the "cadet" and the "wren" (flared lugs and 2 o'clock crown for female navy officers) for now.

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The classic Komandirskie sports watches with rotating bezels: case made from brass, the first two digits refer to its case design, third digit of "1" means chrome plated brass, "9" means titanium nitride finish which gives a gold tone, but harder-wearing than gold. Vostok's appellation system also says "3" means gold plating, "6" means black finish, but apparently they are not used on this series of watches.

Case type: 34x

Characteristics: originally the design was known as Generalskie, and resembling Type 34x but slightly bigger. When viewed from the front, the case perimeter can be seen between the lugs, not obscured by a standard bezel.
Movement: 2416, 2416B 21-jewel
Reference pages:
Phil:
sport-watches8
Mark Gordon: Nos. 0114, 0311, 0738, 0751, 0759, 0790
Michele Cuoccio:
http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02074.jpg
http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02070.jpg
http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02086.jpg
NHT:
http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...skie%20BKC.jpg
http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...20B%20CCCP.jpg
http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...ead%202416.jpg
http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...0in%20USSR.jpg
http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...28Preto%29.jpg
http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...Icebreaker.jpg
http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...kie%20Tank.jpg
Robert Prochowicz:
Komandirskie
Komandirskie
Komandirskie
Komandirskie
Generalskie
Komandirskie
Komandirskie
Komandirskie
Komandirskie
Komandirskie
Komandirskie
Komandirskie

Note: Most examples are signed Komandirskie, but some are signed Generalskie, Admiralskie, or even Albatross.

Case type: 33x

Characteristics: Cushion case as type 33x but with 3 o'clock crown.
Movement: 2414
Reference pages:
Mark Gordon: Nos. 0336, 0755
Robert Prochowicz:
Komandirskie
Komandirskie
Komandirskie
Komandirskie
Komandirskie
Komandirskie
Komandirskie
Komandirskie

Note: Compared to the type 33x case, this version appears to be more scarce.

Case type: 92x

Characteristics: round case
Movement: 2416b
Reference pages:
Mark Gordon: No. 0792
Michele Cuoccio:
http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02131.jpg
http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02138.jpg

Note: The 92x case uses a larger case back about 35.5mm diameter, and takes a 32mm movement ring.

*There is an earlier type with identical external appearance, but uses a flat case back about 31mm in diameter, hand-wind movement, takes a 29mm movement ring and with a single case back locating slot, as per others with hand-wind movements. This needs looking into.

Case type: 21x

Characteristics: case with stepped extensions towards the lugs, very small crown guards.
Movement: 2414A
Rererence pages:
Mark Gordon Nos. 0774, 0775, 0794
Robert Prochowicz:
Komandirskie

Case type: 43x

Characteristics: round case with angular tapering lugs and wide crown guards.
Movement: 2414A
Reference page:
NHT:
http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...o%20Moscow.jpg

Case type: 81x

Characteristics: round case with flared lugs and small crown guards.
Movement: 2414A
Reference page:
Mark Gordon: No. 0747

Case type: 52x

Characteristics: round case with comma-shaped lugs, no crown guards.
Movement: 2416b
Reference page:
Phil:
commemorative-army10

Case type: 53x

Characteristics: star shape case with 2 o'clock crown
Movement: 2414A
Reference pages:
Phil:
vostok-admiralskie
Mark Gordon No. 0766, 0768
Michele Cuoccio:
http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02134.jpg
NHT:
http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...%20Dourada.jpg
http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...urada%29_2.jpg
Robert Prochowicz:
Komandirskie
Generalskie

Note: first made as Generalskie, from 2004-5 sold as Komandirskie. Some examples have dials signed Admiralskie.

Case type: 64x

Characteristics: a newer, more angular design, the corners of the strap at the lug ends are particially obscurd by the lugs.
Movements: 2414A, 2434
Reference page:
Phil:
commemorative-army4

Note: This is a short-lived design made for only a few years, and is unique as it is the only one housing the hacking 2434 movement.

Case type: ???

Characteristics: small flared lugs, narrow crown guards.
Movement: 2414A
Reference page:
Robert Prochowicz:
Komandirskie

Note: Usually with black bezel and released as commemorative editions, such as anniversary of the end of WWII.

Case type: 39x

Characteristics: resembles type 34x but with a more gentle curve on the right hand edges, thus having smaller crown guard. Apparently this design was only used with the 2424 24-hour movement.
Movement: 2424
Reference page:
NHT:
http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actual/Vostok%2024h.jpg

Case type: 93x

Characteristics: generally oval in shape with rounded lugs corners, and has a large semi-circular crown guard which shields almost the whole length of the crown.
Movement: 2414A

Note: This appears to be a relatively scarce model, the few examples recorded appear to have somewhat unusual bezels too.

Case type: 59x

Characteristics: bears a resemblance to Type 34x but with sweeping curves on he right side, the bezel touches the curve when seen from the front.
Movement: 2409

Case type: ???

Characteristics: oval shape, asymmetrical as the crown side is wider.
Movement: 2414

Case Type: 67x

Characteristics: case is asymmetriccal like the previous model, but with larger, angular lugs of a style which resembles some 1MWF Kirovskie models.

Case type: 44x

Characteristics: with wavy outline.
Movement: 2414

Case type: ???

Characteristics: extended lugs
Movement: 2414?

Case type: ???

Characteristics: round case with perimeter looking like straight-cut gear
Movement: 2414?

Case type: ???

Characteristics: black plastic case
Reference page:
Mark Gordon: No. 0551
Michele Cuoccio:
http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02142.jpg

Case type: 74x

Characteristics: large oval case with four scallops cut around its edge.
Movement: 2414A

Case type: 70x

*more information needed

**nht** · August 27th, 2010

Just a suggestion, Sam

Wouldn't it be better to put the latest information right at first post (and editing it whenever there are updates) ?
I think for those who see the topic, finds all the information gathered in the beginning...

What do you think ?

**Seele** · August 27th, 2010

Originally Posted by nht

Just a suggestion, Sam

Wouldn't it be better to put the latest information right at first post (and editing it whenever there are updates) ?
I think for those who see the topic, finds all the information gathered in the beginning...

What do you think ?

NHT,

I did try to do that, but after a few weeks, an earlier post would be locked, making it impossible to edit it.

**nht** · August 27th, 2010

Originally Posted by Seele

NHT,

I did try to do that, but after a few weeks, an earlier post would be locked, making it impossible to edit it.

You're right... I didn't know that... :oops:

**nht** · August 28th, 2010

More info for Komandirskie type cases:

Case type: 44x

Same as shown in this pic, but with a more large crown

Case type: 67x

More models of Case type: 92x, but with a more large crown

More models and confirmation of Case type 93x

Source:
Vostok Catalogue - Page 1
Vostok Catalogue - Page 2
Vostok Catalogue - Page 3
Vostok Catalogue - Page 4
Vostok Catalogue - Page 5

**Seele** · August 28th, 2010

NHT,

Thank you for your input, I have added the data to the latest list.

**storyteller** · August 29th, 2010

A longish 24-page thread on watch.ru dedicated to 300 m. amphibian (http://forum.watch.ru/showthread.php?t=7502&page=5).
Besides the famous and well documented 300 m. tonneau case, there are at least three 300 m. amphibias there with earliest round case / swivel lugs (case 350 in your classification) – posting n. 48 on page 5, posting n. 64 on page 7, n. 59 on page 6, posting n. 76 on page 8, n. 117 on page 12, posting n. 154 on page 16.
There are also two 300 m. amphibias with octagonal case (type 470) – postings n. 176, 178 on page 18 and n. 225 on page 23.

It seems that the 300 m. line existed in parallel to the 200 m. line for quite a few years.

**Seele** · August 29th, 2010

Thank you storyteller for the tip; much appreciated. As I do not know the Russian language I certainly do not hang out at that forum.

Looking at the pictures, I don't seem to be able to notice any significant difference between the standard 200m Type 350 and the 300m version, although I can see the Type 470 has been beefed up significantly, both in case thickness and crystal thickness for the 300m version.

Again, my latest Amphibia listing has been locked against editing by me; I will think of something: perhaps generating a multiple-page pdf file, one page for each type, and then make it available for download from my business site? I'd welcome suggestions.

**Seele** · September 1st, 2010

A trawl around eBay located an unusual Komandirskie, and checking it against the Vostok 2001 catalogue confirmed it to be Type 74x; the list above has been updated to include it.

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