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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    Corrected two links in my previous posting. Another interesting case from technik's collection in watch.ru, (Часовой форум Watch.Ru - Альбом Technik: Часы,которые ношу) - Изображение).

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    Now: updated version of the Komandirskie list. As before, information requests are in italics. I have left out the "cadet" and the "wren" (flared lugs and 2 o'clock crown for female navy officers) for now.

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    The classic Komandirskie sports watches with rotating bezels: case made from brass, the first two digits refer to its case design, third digit of "1" means chrome plated brass, "9" means titanium nitride finish which gives a gold tone, but harder-wearing than gold. Vostok's appellation system also says "3" means gold plating, "6" means black finish, but apparently they are not used on this series of watches.


    Case type: 34x


    Characteristics: with smoothly extending crown guards. When seen from the front, the bezel covers the case perimeter between the lugs at each end.
    Movements: 2409, 2414, 2414A
    Reference pages:
    Phil:
    infantry-watches1
    infantry-watches5
    infantry-watches6
    infantry-watches7
    infantry-watches8
    infantry-watches11
    vostok1990-navy
    submarine4
    submarine5
    commemorative-army2
    commemorative-army7
    commemorative-army9
    commemorative-army11
    Mark Gordon: Nos. 0078, 0118, 0119, 0120, 0122, 0179, 0204, 0205, 0206, 0207, 0430, 0739, 0746, 0748, 0750, 0753, 0756, 0758, 0771, 0772, 0797
    Michele Cuoccio:
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc01979.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc01965.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc01974.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc01991.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02005.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02017.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02021.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02674.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02030.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/DSC01751.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc03072.jpg
    NHT:
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...%20Dourada.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...%20Dourada.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...%20-Rodina.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...%20Carrier.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...o)%20-%201.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...aratrooper.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...O%20CCCP_2.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...0MO%20CCCP.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...CP%20-%204.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...O%20CCCP_3.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...O%20CCCP_4.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...20B%20CCCP.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...20B%20CCCP.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...nk%20-%202.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...kie%20Tank.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...Dourada%29.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...Dourado%29.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...%20(Preto).jpg
    Robert Prochowicz:
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie

    Note: While it is discontinued, this appears to be a most common Komandirskie case style. Most examples seen appear to have flat-ended crowns but those with equally large dome-topped crowns are not unusual. Robert Prochowicz's 3073 has an unusual, perhaps non-standard bezel fitted which is smaller. The case design, however, has been revived in the New Komandirskie models, but in steel and black finish, with larger case back for automatic movement.



    Case type: 09x


    Characteristics: originally the design was known as Generalskie, and resembling Type 34x but slightly bigger. When viewed from the front, the case perimeter can be seen between the lugs, not obscured by a standard bezel.
    Movement: 2416, 2416B 21-jewel
    Reference pages:
    Phil:
    sport-watches8
    Mark Gordon: Nos. 0114, 0311, 0738, 0751, 0759, 0790
    Michele Cuoccio:
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02074.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02070.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02086.jpg
    NHT:
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...skie%20BKC.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...20B%20CCCP.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...ead%202416.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...0in%20USSR.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...28Preto%29.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...Icebreaker.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...kie%20Tank.jpg
    Robert Prochowicz:
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Generalskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie

    Note: Most examples are signed Komandirskie, but some are signed Generalskie, Admiralskie, or even Albatross.



    Case type: 33x


    Characteristics: cushion case with 2 o'clock crown
    Movement: 2414, 2414A
    References pages:
    Phil:
    infantry-watches10
    Mark Gordon: Nos. 0175, 0757, 0793
    Michele Cuoccio:
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc01996.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc01998.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02014.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02068.jpg
    NHT:
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...%20Yeltsin.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...o)%20-%202.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...astanho%29.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...29%20-%202.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...%20(Verde).jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...Preto%29_2.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...%20(Verde).jpg
    Robert Prochowicz:
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie

    Note: Most examples appear to have larger size dome-topped crowns but those with flat-ended crowns have also been recorded.



    Case type: ???


    Characteristics: Cushion case as type 33x but with 3 o'clock crown.
    Movement: 2414
    Reference pages:
    Mark Gordon: Nos. 0336, 0755
    Robert Prochowicz:
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie
    Komandirskie

    Note: Compared to the type 33x case, this version appears to be more scarce.



    Case type: 92x



    Characteristics: round case
    Movement: 2416b
    Reference pages:
    Mark Gordon: No. 0792
    Michele Cuoccio:
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02131.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02138.jpg

    Note: The 92x case uses a larger case back about 35.5mm diameter, and takes a 32mm movement ring.

    *There is an earlier type with identical external appearance, but uses a flat case back about 31mm in diameter, hand-wind movement, takes a 29mm movement ring and with a single case back locating slot, as per others with hand-wind movements. This needs looking into.



    Case type: 21x


    Characteristics: case with stepped extensions towards the lugs, very small crown guards.
    Movement: 2414A
    Rererence pages:
    Mark Gordon Nos. 0774, 0775, 0794
    Robert Prochowicz:
    Komandirskie



    Case type: 43x


    Characteristics: round case with angular tapering lugs and wide crown guards.
    Movement: 2414A
    Reference page:
    NHT:
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...o%20Moscow.jpg



    Case type: 81x


    Characteristics: round case with flared lugs and small crown guards.
    Movement: 2414A
    Reference page:
    Mark Gordon: No. 0747



    Case type: 52x


    Characteristics: round case with comma-shaped lugs, no crown guards.
    Movement: 2416b
    Reference page:
    Phil:
    commemorative-army10



    Case type: 53x


    Characteristics: star shape case with 2 o'clock crown
    Movement: 2414A
    Reference pages:
    Phil:
    vostok-admiralskie
    Mark Gordon No. 0766, 0768
    Michele Cuoccio:
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02134.jpg
    NHT:
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...%20Dourada.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...urada%29_2.jpg
    Robert Prochowicz:
    Komandirskie
    Generalskie

    Note: first made as Generalskie, from 2004-5 sold as Komandirskie. Some examples have dials signed Admiralskie.



    Case type: 64x


    Characteristics: a newer, more angular design, the corners of the strap at the lug ends are particially obscurd by the lugs.
    Movements: 2414A, 2434
    Reference page:
    Phil:
    commemorative-army4

    Note: This is a short-lived design made for only a few years, and is unique as it is the only one housing the hacking 2434 movement.



    Case type: ???


    Characteristics: small flared lugs, narrow crown guards.
    Movement: 2414A
    Reference page:
    Robert Prochowicz:
    Komandirskie

    Note: Usually with black bezel and released as commemorative editions, such as anniversary of the end of WWII.



    Case type: 39x


    Characteristics: resembles type 34x but with a more gentle curve on the right hand edges, thus having smaller crown guard. Apparently this design was only used with the 2424 24-hour movement.
    Movement: 2424
    Reference page:
    NHT:
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actual/Vostok%2024h.jpg



    Case type: 93x


    Characteristics: generally oval in shape with rounded lugs corners, and has a large semi-circular crown guard which shields almost the whole length of the crown.
    Movement: 2414A

    Note: This appears to be a relatively scarce model, the few examples recorded appear to have somewhat unusual bezels too.



    Case type: 59x


    Characteristics: bears a resemblance to Type 34x but with sweeping curves on he right side, the bezel touches the curve when seen from the front.
    Movement: 2409



    Case type: ???


    Characteristics: oval shape, asymmetrical as the crown side is wider.
    Movement: 2414



    Case Type: 67x


    Characteristics: case is asymmetriccal like the previous model, but with larger, angular lugs of a style which resembles some 1MWF Kirovskie models.



    Case type: 44x


    Characteristics: with wavy outline.
    Movement: 2414



    Case type: ???

    Characteristics: extended lugs
    Movement: 2414?



    Case type: ???

    Characteristics: round case with perimeter looking like straight-cut gear
    Movement: 2414?



    Case type: ???


    Characteristics: black plastic case
    Reference page:
    Mark Gordon: No. 0551
    Michele Cuoccio:
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02142.jpg



    Case type: 74x


    Characteristics: large oval case with four scallops cut around its edge.
    Movement: 2414A



    Case type: 70x

    *more information needed
    Last edited by Seele; September 1st, 2010 at 20:58.

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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    Just a suggestion, Sam

    Wouldn't it be better to put the latest information right at first post (and editing it whenever there are updates) ?
    I think for those who see the topic, finds all the information gathered in the beginning...

    What do you think ?
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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    Quote Originally Posted by nht View Post
    Just a suggestion, Sam

    Wouldn't it be better to put the latest information right at first post (and editing it whenever there are updates) ?
    I think for those who see the topic, finds all the information gathered in the beginning...

    What do you think ?
    NHT,

    I did try to do that, but after a few weeks, an earlier post would be locked, making it impossible to edit it.

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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    Quote Originally Posted by Seele View Post
    NHT,

    I did try to do that, but after a few weeks, an earlier post would be locked, making it impossible to edit it.
    You're right... I didn't know that... :oops:
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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    More info for Komandirskie type cases:

    Case type: 44x


    Same as shown in this pic, but with a more large crown



    Case type: 67x



    More models of Case type: 92x, but with a more large crown


    More models and confirmation of Case type 93x



    Source:
    Vostok Catalogue - Page 1
    Vostok Catalogue - Page 2
    Vostok Catalogue - Page 3
    Vostok Catalogue - Page 4
    Vostok Catalogue - Page 5
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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    NHT,

    Thank you for your input, I have added the data to the latest list.

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    different types of 300 m. case

    A longish 24-page thread on watch.ru dedicated to 300 m. amphibian (http://forum.watch.ru/showthread.php?t=7502&page=5).
    Besides the famous and well documented 300 m. tonneau case, there are at least three 300 m. amphibias there with earliest round case / swivel lugs (case 350 in your classification) posting n. 48 on page 5, posting n. 64 on page 7, n. 59 on page 6, posting n. 76 on page 8, n. 117 on page 12, posting n. 154 on page 16.
    There are also two 300 m. amphibias with octagonal case (type 470) postings n. 176, 178 on page 18 and n. 225 on page 23.

    It seems that the 300 m. line existed in parallel to the 200 m. line for quite a few years.

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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    Thank you storyteller for the tip; much appreciated. As I do not know the Russian language I certainly do not hang out at that forum.

    Looking at the pictures, I don't seem to be able to notice any significant difference between the standard 200m Type 350 and the 300m version, although I can see the Type 470 has been beefed up significantly, both in case thickness and crystal thickness for the 300m version.

    Again, my latest Amphibia listing has been locked against editing by me; I will think of something: perhaps generating a multiple-page pdf file, one page for each type, and then make it available for download from my business site? I'd welcome suggestions.

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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    A trawl around eBay located an unusual Komandirskie, and checking it against the Vostok 2001 catalogue confirmed it to be Type 74x; the list above has been updated to include it.
    Last edited by Seele; September 1st, 2010 at 21:01.

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