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    Vostok classification database draft

    The Maiers did a great job in their page on distinguishing between some Vostok sports watch models, but I have a feeling that a more comprehensive list can be drawn up. Let's make a start:

    Amphibia: "0" third digit means stainless steel case

    Case type: 350
    Characteristics: swivel lugs

    Case type: 420
    Characteristics: "oversize" round case

    Case type: 710
    Characteristics: current model Ministry case

    Case type: 060
    Characteristics: long case with hidden lugs

    Still need to find: case type numbers of octagonal case, small round case (which might be 920, requires verification), tonneau case etc, and add period of production for each and movement(s) used.

    Komandirskie: "1" third digit means chrome plated brass, "9" means titanium nitrite plated brass.

    Case type: 34x
    Characteristics: "Generalskie" type case with smoothly extending crown guards.

    Case type: 92x
    Characteristics: round case

    Case type: 21x
    Characteristics: case with "stepped extensions towards the lugs, very small crown guards.

    Case type: 43x
    Characteristics: round case with angular tapering lugs and wide crown guards.

    Case type: 81x
    Characteristics: round case with flared lugs and small crown guards.

    Case type: 53x
    Characteristics: star shape case with 2 o'clock crown, first made as Generalskie, from 2004-5 sold as Komandirskie.

    Still need to find: information on other case designs such as two types of cushion case. There might be a further variation of the non-star "Generalskie" case.

    It would be nice if my learned members can add to this as a reference source.

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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    Gret job

    some more:

    Amphibia

    Case type: 470
    Characteristics: Octogonal case

    Case type: 630 / 1190
    Characteristics: 300m tonneau case

    Case type: 960
    Characteristics: recent "Neptune" case

    Case type: 420
    Characteristics: current round case

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    Komandirskie

    Case type: 33x
    Characteristics: case with 2 o'clock crown
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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    Thanks NHT; keep'em coming!

    There are two similar cases as seen at Mark Gordon's site, Nos. 0769 and 0771; I have to find a good distinction between them. Also, the round Komandirskie case have at least two versions taking different size movement spacer rings; this needs investigation too. Such is the fascination - or quagmire that is Vostokology!
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    Great list, however, can we add photos to it ?
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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    Quote Originally Posted by roo7 View Post
    Great list, however, can we add photos to it ?
    Roo7,

    I would like that; right now I am preparing the list, with movements used and on-line references, I can start a pdf file detailing each case type if fellow members can supply me with pictures. Naturally it is meant to be constantly udpated and available for download, or for me to send to individuals by request too.

    To that end I'd like to have clear pictures, front and back and perhaps sides too. I will, of course, take pictures of mine when I have the time, but I have but a simple digital compact; using my usual 4"X5" monorail and Goerz Red-Dot Artar would be a bit of an overkill!

    Thank you!

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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    Just to make a start, here are the draft entries for a few Amphibias. I would be very grateful if my learned fellow members can offer comments, additional information and corrections, and also periods of production too.


    Case type: 350
    Characteristics: round case, swivel lugs
    Movement: 2209, 2214
    Reference pages:
    Phil:
    http://www.netgrafik.ch/images/vostok_space2.jpg
    http://www.netgrafik.ch/divers1.htm
    http://www.netgrafik.ch/divers2.htm
    Mark Gordon Nos. 0662, 0754, 1135, 1298
    Michele Cuoccio:
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02168.jpg
    NHT:
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...k_Amphibia.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...ibia_White.jpg

    Note: Although the Maiers' page shows one with flat-ended Amphibia crown, it has date (presumably 2214 movement) and regular Amphibia hands. Those shown by Phil have dome-tipped crowns and earlier forms of hands, including one with paddle hands. Mark Gordon's 0662 also shows dome-tipped crown, but with unusual combination of hands and a Komandirskie-signed dial with date, powered by a 2214 movement. An example was used by Yuri Viktorovitch Romanenko in the Soyuz 38 space mission, September 1980.



    Case type: 470
    Characteristics: octagonal case, often with dial signed Albatross
    Movement: 2409, 2409A
    Reference pages:
    Phil:
    http://www.netgrafik.ch/infantry-watches9.htm
    http://www.netgrafik.ch/vostok-albatros.htm
    http://www.netgrafik.ch/vostok-radio-room.htm
    http://www.netgrafik.ch/sport-watches14.htm
    Mark Gordon Nos. 0115, 0740, 0787, 1195, 1245
    Michele Cuoccio:
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02107.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02108.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02113.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02124.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02119.jpg
    NHT:
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...20B%20CCCP.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...l%20Branco.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...timagnetic.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...a_Albatros.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...20B%20CCCP.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...20B%20CCCP.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...hed%20Case.jpg
    Robert Prochowicz:
    http://www.ussrwatches.info/main.php?g2_itemId=2466
    http://www.ussrwatches.info/main.php?g2_itemId=2931
    http://www.ussrwatches.info/main.php?g2_itemId=3037
    http://www.ussrwatches.info/main.php?g2_itemId=3045
    http://www.ussrwatches.info/main.php?g2_itemId=3077
    http://www.ussrwatches.info/main.php?g2_itemId=3083
    http://www.ussrwatches.info/main.php?g2_itemId=3085
    http://www.ussrwatches.info/main.php?g2_itemId=3087
    http://www.ussrwatches.info/main.php?g2_itemId=3135
    http://www.ussrwatches.info/main.php?g2_itemId=3147
    http://www.ussrwatches.info/main.php?g2_itemId=3171
    http://www.ussrwatches.info/main.php?g2_itemId=3173
    http://www.ussrwatches.info/main.php?g2_itemId=3177
    http://www.ussrwatches.info/main.php?g2_itemId=3191
    http://www.ussrwatches.info/main.php?g2_itemId=3235

    Note: Mark Gordon's 1195 is fitted with a Komandirskie MOD dial with date and powered by a 2234 movement. Robert Prochowicz's 3037 appears to have a 2414 movement and Komandirskie hands, which may or may not be original. Most, if not all of them are equipped with a soft metal antimagnetic shield covering the back of the movement. Examples have been documented with polished or brushed finish on the case.



    Case type: 960
    Characteristics: "Neptune" case, single lug in middle
    Movement: 2409, 2414b 21-jewel and 31-jewel
    Reference page:
    Ed Brandwein:
    http://edscorner1.blogspot.com/2009/...-amphibia.html
    http://edscorner1.blogspot.com/2007/...ne-review.html
    Phil:
    http://www.netgrafik.ch/divers3.htm
    Mark Gordon Nos. 0208, 0547
    NHT:
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...nue%20Case.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...une%20Blue.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...ne%20Brown.jpg

    Note:
    Originally a variant of the Amphibia case with a slightly oval shape, it was first made with brushed finish and a variety of dials. Most are with 21-jewel automatic movements with date, Mark Gordon's 0280 is powered by a 2409, however. Later on, the case was used in the Neptune series with a distinctive dial design, polished finish, and equipped with 31-jewel version of the automatic movement.

    (updated 18th July 2010)
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    Re: Vostok classification database draft

    Excellent work. We can make this thread as a "work-in-progress" project.
    I'm also glad that i finally know the exact code for octagonal cases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by michele View Post
    Excellent work. We can make this thread as a "work-in-progress" project.
    I'm also glad that i finally know the exact code for octagonal cases.
    Thank you Michele, it would be a good idea to make it a work-in-progress but knowing Vostok, it will probably be perpetually in progress!

    I hope you, along with Phil, Mark and NHT would not mind me putting in links, at least for now, before we can get suitable "mug shots" of the watches done.

    At first I did not just want to find out the type number for the case styles; I wanted to find a way to identify and classify the various watches, and the easiest way, to my mind, is to use case styles. There are much more to be discovered, while I await further inputs and verifications from other members, here are two further entries for Komandirskie to whet your appetite:


    Komandirskie: "1" third digit means chrome plated brass, "9" means titanium nitrite plated brass.

    Case type: 34x
    Characteristics: resembles the "Generalskie" type case with smoothly extending crown guards but slightly smaller. When seen from the front, the bezel covers the case perimeter between the lugs at each end.
    Movements: 2409, 2414, 2414A
    Reference pages:
    Phil:
    http://www.netgrafik.ch/infantry-watches1.htm
    http://www.netgrafik.ch/infantry-watches5.htm
    http://www.netgrafik.ch/infantry-watches6.htm
    http://www.netgrafik.ch/infantry-watches7.htm
    http://www.netgrafik.ch/infantry-watches8.htm
    http://www.netgrafik.ch/infantry-watches11.htm
    http://www.netgrafik.ch/vostok1990-navy.htm
    http://www.netgrafik.ch/submarine4.htm
    http://www.netgrafik.ch/submarine5.htm
    http://www.netgrafik.ch/commemorative-army2.htm
    http://www.netgrafik.ch/commemorative-army7.htm
    http://www.netgrafik.ch/commemorative-army9.htm
    http://www.netgrafik.ch/commemorative-army11.htm
    Mark Gordon: Nos. 0078, 0118, 0119, 0120, 0122, 0179, 0204, 0205, 0206, 0207, 0430, 0739, 0746, 0748, 0750, 0753, 0756, 0758, 0771, 0772, 0797
    Michele Cuoccio:
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc01979.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc01965.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc01974.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc01991.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02005.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02017.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02021.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02674.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02030.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/DSC01751.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc03072.jpg
    NHT:
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...%20Dourada.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...%20Dourada.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...%20-Rodina.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...%20Carrier.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...o)%20-%201.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...aratrooper.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...O%20CCCP_2.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...0MO%20CCCP.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...CP%20-%204.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...O%20CCCP_3.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...O%20CCCP_4.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...20B%20CCCP.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...20B%20CCCP.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...nk%20-%202.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...kie%20Tank.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...Dourada%29.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...Dourado%29.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...%20(Preto).jpg

    Note: While it is discontinued, this appears to be a most common Komandirskie case style. Most examples seen appear to have flat-ended crowns but those with equally large dome-topped crowns are not unusual.



    Case type: ??x (case type number still unknown)
    Characteristics: originally a Generalskie design resembling Type 34x but slightly bigger. When viewed from the front, the case perimeter can be seen between the lugs.
    Movement: 2416, 2416B 21-jewel
    Reference pages:
    Phil:
    http://www.netgrafik.ch/sport-watches8.htm
    Mark Gordon: Nos. 0114, 0311, 0738, 0751, 0759, 0790
    Michele Cuoccio:
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02074.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02070.jpg
    http://russianwatches.altervista.org/Dsc02086.jpg
    NHT:
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...skie%20BKC.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...20B%20CCCP.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...ead%202416.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...0in%20USSR.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...28Preto%29.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...Icebreaker.jpg
    http://nht.no.sapo.pt/Relogios/actua...kie%20Tank.jpg

    Note: Most examples are signed Komandirskie, but some are signed Generalskie, Admiralskie, or even Albatross.
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    Maybe somebody would like to do that on www.ussrwatches.info ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rproch View Post
    Maybe somebody would like to do that on www.ussrwatches.info ?
    Hi Robert,

    Thanks for offering me your online resource of your impressive collection :thanks

    Right now I am still not quite sure how the final result is going to be: it could very well be a post on here - or in the "Articles" section, where the links would make sense for reference purpose. Alternatively, I can make it into a printable pdf file, downloadable from here or somewhere else, which can be updated when the time arises. In the latter case, I would just have to make a selection of pictures to illustration each category. After all links might not work eternally, and besides, I might have to sort the links to eliminate duplications too, and that's going to be more work which may or may not be of advantage.

    I would like to hear your - and other members' opinions on this.

    P.S. I have updated the entries in the previous posts, but I still need some help regarding other less-usual case types. There are different versions of the round cases without crown guards, including Komandirskie and Amphibia: the Amphibia current round case is TYpe 420 but I think there might have been a smaller size one, conjecturally Type 020, and I need confirmation of that. Seems like I need a lot of help with the round cases!
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