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    When is my SERKISOF pocket watch, manufactured?

    Hi all, pocket watches is a new thing for me and I have a question:
    When is my SERKISOF pocket watch, manufactured?

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    Re: When is my SERKISOF pocket watch, manufactured?

    I'm not an expert on that movement, but it looks like a Molnija movement to me.

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    Re: When is my SERKISOF pocket watch, manufactured?

    I would guess '80s to early '90s. It's a soviet-era but the movement lacks the markings of the really early ones.

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    Re: When is my SERKISOF pocket watch, manufactured?

    Yes, as Paul replied, this is a Soviet Molniya watch in all but the branding.

    Serkisof was an Istanbul-based jeweler and importer of Soviet watches for the Turkish market -not just this beautiful railroad (Demiryolu) Molniya but many other Soviet makes - the Turko-soviet equivalent of Sekonda, Cornavin,etc. As for the period, I don't know much about Molniyas, but I would think 1970-80s (??? - I'm sure others could be more specific).

    On a side note, a laudable tradition of railroad watches seems to have existed in Turkey: excellent wrist (often late 1950s to 1970s Corteberts and Atomiks) and pocket watches (usually Molniya-Serkisof) bearing the winged wheel of the Turkish State Railroads, possibly gifted to Turkish Railroad workers on retirement, or on completion of so many years of service... I ignore the details, but perhaps Turkish members of this forum could enlighten us...

    Anyway, a really beautiful watch!

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    Re: When is my SERKISOF pocket watch, manufactured?

    There was one on Munich's flea market last Friday.

    Pristine, well actually probably quite new (1985), not stamped but with this greyish fake patina with a train and Demiryolu on it.

    For f-r-e-a-k-i-n-g 100 Euro!!! A Turkish seller.

    No way to have it for 12 Euro (what I usually pay for good USSR Molnia, more or less).

    I then bought an automatic CCCP Lady's Zaria instead. For 12 Euro :)

    I had actually forgotten my wallet at home, so that the coins in my pocket were my daily budget. 12 Euro! 16 USD! 490 2012-Russian rubles! 17 1985-Soviet Rubles! ... A fortune compared to original selling price of a Molniya!
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    Re: When is my SERKISOF pocket watch, manufactured?

    "I had actually forgotten my wallet at home, so that the coins in my pocket were my daily budget. 12 Euro! 16 USD! 490 2012-Russian rubles! 17 1985-Soviet Rubles! ... A fortune compared to original selling price of a Molniya!"

    Emoscambio, out of curiosity, how much would be a Molniya's selling price (in Soviet rubles), say back in the mid-1980s?

    Many thanks,

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    Re: When is my SERKISOF pocket watch, manufactured?

    //the Turko-soviet equivalent of Sekonda, Cornavin,etc.//

    Does anyone know if any Petrodvoretz-made ("Raketa") watches were rebranded for the Turkish market?

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    Re: When is my SERKISOF pocket watch, manufactured?

    Quote Originally Posted by Николай71 View Post
    Yes, as Paul replied, this is a Soviet Molniya watch in all but the branding.

    Serkisof was an Istanbul-based jeweler and importer of Soviet watches for the Turkish market -not just this beautiful railroad (Demiryolu) Molniya but many other Soviet makes - the Turko-soviet equivalent of Sekonda, Cornavin,etc. As for the period, I don't know much about Molniyas, but I would think 1970-80s (??? - I'm sure others could be more specific).

    On a side note, a laudable tradition of railroad watches seems to have existed in Turkey: excellent wrist (often late 1950s to 1970s Corteberts and Atomiks) and pocket watches (usually Molniya-Serkisof) bearing the winged wheel of the Turkish State Railroads, possibly gifted to Turkish Railroad workers on retirement, or on completion of so many years of service...
    All I can add to the above is that this particular example looks like the real deal Turkish Railways watch. Following on from the Cortebert and other watches supplied by Serkisof for the railways, this Molnija watch was produced to railway specifications.

    Later examples of this design in the robust railway case were made by Molnija for general use and lack the 'Demiryolu' inscription and 'Quality Guarantee' dust cover. They were also made with the Molnija brand for Soviet domestic and export sale, and exported under various foreign brands such as Sekonda (UK) and Marathon (Canada).
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    Re: When is my SERKISOF pocket watch, manufactured?

    Quote Originally Posted by Николай71 View Post
    possibly gifted to Turkish Railroad workers on retirement, or on completion of so many years of service...
    it is correct.
    Turkish State Railways gave this watches to workers when they retired. But now, there is not tradition like this because of inadequate appropriations.
    In 80's, this Demiryolu watches were very common item among Turkish family. They were thinking Soviet Products are very solid than European or Japanese product. And I guess they were right. Because many of this watches still working correctly.

    Quote Originally Posted by phd View Post

    Does anyone know if any Petrodvoretz-made ("Raketa") watches were rebranded for the Turkish market?

    Paul.
    I think, Raketa was sold as Raketa. Because I see some Raketa Perpetual and another Raketa dress watch on Turkish auction site on internet. But not much. Some Turkish seller want to much money for ordinary Raketa dress watch on this sites.
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