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    Any info on my Wakmann Incabloc Automatic?

    The is a 1970's Wakmann Incabloc Automatic. It still works just fine, it was my brothers watch. I don't know too much about this watch, can anybody shed some light on this watch?
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    Re: Any info on my Wakmann Incabloc Automatic?

    Hello and mighty fine watch their.

    Quite awhile ago there was a Swiss Watch import act in the USA. It prevented Swiss watch companies from selling watches completed outside the US.

    The proposed effect was to ensure the continued American Watch industry like Waltham, Elgin, Hamiliton. These companies were put at a dis-advantage during WWII and had their production completely transferred to war products. The Swiss meanwhile produced watches for the war effort as well as for civilians. The argument was that the Swiss companies gained an advantage during the war and may or may not have been true.

    That leads us to the post war USA and watches. It would seem there was a way to sell Swiss watches in the US. This entailed sending movements over and having them cased and timed in the states by American companies, hence Omega's with Waddington Gold Filled USA cases.

    Enter WAKMANN; this company was listed on the US stock exchange as Wakmann Watch Company of New York and was purchased by the Brietling Company. This allowed Brietling to ship it's movements to the US and have them cased and timed by a US company thus meeting the rules of the act which included a proviso that the American company be listed at the NYSE. In fact, when you open up a Wakmann you may actually find a movement marked Wakmann and stamped with the initials WOG. This indicates the movement came from the Breitling Watch Company and was cased in the states. Wakmann continued to market it's own watches in the US and specialized in Aviation style watches as well as cockpit clocks. These watches were stamped Wakmann Watch Co and used Swiss ebauches which were again cased and timed in the states.

    Now for your watch, looks to be a Valjoux 7734 (7733 with date) seventeen jewel standard Swiss ebauche. A rather common, non-column wheel chronograph, which has a nice movement. Appears to be late 60's to early 70's due to the case and dial style.

    Google valjoux 7734 and you may find a picture of the movement. If you actually get the back off the watch and check the movement for a signature you should see Wakmann Watch co on the bridge. If you spot WOG on the movement then you have your classic 'poor man's breitling' as it will be a genuine Breitling factories movement stamped Wakmann in a Wakmann case.

    I pieced this together from a few sources as the Wakmann company in the states no longer exists. I became interested in the association between Wakmann and Breitling when I noticed the cockpit chronographs on the Boeing 737 I used to fly were stamped on the dial "WAKMANN-BREITLING"

    I have two Wakmann triple date triple chronographs with Valjoux column wheel movments which you can view here at my website:

    http://www3.telus.net/public/geoffqf/index.htm

    or here at page 1 of the photo gallery:

    http://www3.telus.net/public/geoffqf...es/Page349.htm



    Hope this helps, Geoff
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    Re: Any info on my Wakman Incabloc Automatic?

    Geoff,
    Great info, I will remove the back case and see what is in there.
    Thanks

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    Re: Any info on my Wakman Incabloc Automatic?

    Geoff,
    You were right on, I took the back off and found this. The only difference is mine has stamped "Wakmann Watch Co" on the bridge. This watch has not been used for 25 years. I wound it up and it works like a champ. The inside looks clean. Thanks again for the info.

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    Re: Any info on my Wakman Incabloc Automatic?

    It looks very well preserved. Breitling did use the 7734 and Wakmann certainly followed suit. It appears yours is a true Wakmann.


    Enjoy, one of valjouxs more robust manual wind movements.

    Geoff
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    Re: Any info on my Wakmann Incabloc Automatic?

    Quote Originally Posted by 767Geoff View Post
    I have two Wakmann triple date triple chronographs with Valjoux column wheel movments which you can view here at my website:

    http://www3.telus.net/public/geoffqf/index.htm

    or here at page 1 of the photo gallery:

    http://www3.telus.net/public/geoffqf...es/Page349.htm

    Hope this helps, Geoff
    Very nice collection, Geoff. Congrats on the collection and your cool site!
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    Here´s my only Wakmann

    According to the dial a "Superautomatic"

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    Re: Any info on my Wakman Incabloc Automatic?

    Hi Slipkid

    Geoffs absolutely on the money with his potted Wakmann/Breitling history. A couple of this to clarify - the Swiss import tax was effectively a trade embargo to try and boost a flagging US economy after the rigours of the 2nd World War. Breitling and Wakmann already had a close working relationship as Breitling used Wakmann movements in their stopwatches. So when the import tax was introduced, assembling the watches in America, under the Wakmann name was the logical solution to circumnavigate the tax.

    Your example dates from the early 70's, judging by the design of those subdails, it's definately a Valjoux 7734 movement as it has a date. The Valjoux 7733 doesn't have a date feature. Here's some movement info:

    Valjoux 7734
    Features
    manual-wind chronograph, 60s, 30/45min, cam switched
    sub second
    date: set by changing 22-24h

    Data
    14''', Dm= 31.3mm, H= 7.0mm
    17 jewels
    f = 18000 A/h
    power reserve 45h

    And here's my example from 1968:


    Your case back probably looks something like this:


    And finally here's my Breitling with the Valjoux 7733 movement from 1971:



    Look after your example and I hope this helps.

    Cheers

    Gary
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    Re: Here´s my only Wakmann

    Quote Originally Posted by stuffler,mike View Post
    According to the dial a "Superautomatic"

    That's a pristine looking example Mike, any idea of the movement and vintage?

    Cheers

    Gary

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    Re: Any info on my Wakman Incabloc Automatic?

    Believed to be an ETA 2789, 17 jewels.

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