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    standard time movements

    I have 3 Vantage watches with mechanical movements. From what I have found on the interwebs Vantage was a budget brand for Hamilton. All the Vantages I own and from the ones I have seen on ebay have movements mark Standard Time or Standard Time Corp. The ones I own don't have the country from where it was made on the dial or the movement. From what I have read Hamilton had a partnership with Ricoh watch company of Japan,which only lasted from 1962 to 1964, to produce the Hamilton electric movements. I have seen one vantage with a movement marked japan

    also have seen a vanatage electric with and ESA 9154 that was marked Standard Time and swiss


    The 3 Vantage watches I have are marked standard time are very similar to my Enicar movement, a Laco, and a Endura I saw on ebay.

    pic of the 3 vantages


    here is my vantage marked Standard 90, size is 11.5'''

    my other vantage marked Standard Time caliber st 91, size 10.5'''

    and my last vantage Standard Time caliber st 92, size 10.5'''


    my Enicar size 10.5'''

    Laco

    and Endura marked canava and Candada, here is ebay link 1940-50's Endura 17 Jewel movement Made in CANADA - eBay (item 150539162873 end time Jan-01-11 14:21:59 PST)


    here are the links were I got info from
    ???? ???????? - ????? ??
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    Hamilton Ricoh Watch Company
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    Re: standard time movements

    Very interesting exposition of a niche!
    "Forever is composed of nows." - Emily Dickinson

    "The watch has to be surrounded by a history.
    You need more than just a great design. You need to create an atmosphere around the product.
    Who is the company behind it? Why are they using this material?
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    Re: standard time movements

    What I am curious about is who made the movements in my vantage watches and why are they almost exact copies of the Laco and Endura movements, even the click and pallet bridge are the same. The Laco also does not have a country of origin on it and the Endura was made in Cadada.
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    Re: standard time movements

    Quote Originally Posted by ltri View Post
    What I am curious about is who made the movements in my vantage watches and why are they almost exact copies of the Laco and Endura movements, even the click and pallet bridge are the same. The Laco also does not have a country of origin on it and the Endura was made in Cadada.
    To the best of my knowledge, there have never been wrist watch movements made in Canada. How have you come to believe the Endura is from Canada?

    At first people have a hard time realizing the Swiss watch industry was fairly integrated -- many vendors bought and sold to whoever. 'Private label' movements where one vendor marks for another have been common for over a century. Laco and Endura probably made the movements originally.
    "Forever is composed of nows." - Emily Dickinson

    "The watch has to be surrounded by a history.
    You need more than just a great design. You need to create an atmosphere around the product.
    Who is the company behind it? Why are they using this material?
    People need to be able to identify the watch with themselves. It's based on emotion." - Ralph Furter

    ...that's just my opinion and I've been wrong before and will be again and might be now!

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    Re: standard time movements

    Looks like it might be some sort of copy of an FEF movement (FEF 350 for 10.5''', FEF 380 for 11.5'''):

    bidfun-db FEF_380: FEF 380

    Not sure whether the Enicar movement is based on the FEF or whether it is an entirely independent production (the automatic winding system for the Cal. Enicar 114x family was "borrowed" off the AS 1700).

    Hartmut Richter

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    Re: standard time movements

    Hi ladies,

    this movement was originally designed by Durowe (Laco) and itroduced in 1950.
    It was available in the following variants:
    420, 421: 10.5''', manual wind, sub second
    422: 10.5''', manual wind, sweep second
    520: 11.5''', manual wind, sub second
    522: 11.5''', sweep second
    552: 11.5''', automatic, sweep second

    The Enicar 410 (sub second) and 412 (sweep second) are too similar to Durowe 420/422
    to believe in an accident; even the holes for tool alignments are the same:





    It is pretty strange that a German factory supplied a Swiss company with ebauches, but
    remember: just two versions were finished by Enicar, and Enicar was an order of magnitude
    smaller than Durowe - simply by far not able to supply the Durowe demand.

    Another reason to believe that it is from Durowe: The U.S. Time Corporation (Timex) bought
    Laco-Durowe in 1959 to get access to the knowhow for electrical watches. Already in 1965
    the movement division Durowe was sold to the Swiss Ebauche SA, and forth only mechanical
    movements were continued under the brand Standard. The ST 90/91 therefore are just
    cheaper successors of the Durowe 422 and 522 (10.5''' and 11.5''' respectively)

    Regards, Roland Ranfft

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    Re: standard time movements

    Received this information by email from someone called Lilo von Possel:
    I wanted to tell the person that has a watch which says on the back Canava American Watch Factory, that I worked in the office of that factory from 1957 until 1960. Watch movements came from Pforzheim, Germany from the Deutschen Uhrenrohwerke Ludwig Hummel, Mr.Hummel's daughter was president of the factory in Quebec City. The watch cases were made there and then the watches were assembled there. They were fine watches and the all factories were sold to TIMEX after I left to immigrate to the U.S.
    Best regards,

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    Re: standard time movements

    Thanks Ernie, and thanks Lilo. That all lines up perfectly with the rest of the information in this thread.
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    Re: standard time movements

    Great info, thanks for the feedback.
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