Thread: PAW-2000 vs. GS-1100 (hint: PAW is crap)

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    Hey fellas!

    For the last two months I have been using PAW-2000, and before that I had GS-1100 A1 for a year. The GS is an awesome watch, but I wanted something that has both Solar and Radio controlled, but is not mechanical. As a good buy loaded with features, the PAW 2000 came to mind. It seemed, on paper and based on different reviews like an awesome watch for outdoor and every-day use.

    PAW-2000 - http://www.casio-europe.com/euro/wat.../prw-2000-1er/

    GS-1100 - http://www.casio-europe.com/euro/wat.../gs-1100-1aer/

    I might be wrong comparing two different categories of watches, but they are both tough outdoor watches on top of their category. They are targeted at people who will abuse them in rough situations (climbing, diving, mud, dirt, putting your bag on your back and clipping the watch in the process, starting a camp fire, cutting wood, ...).

    So after two months of wearing it to work, and to mountain hiking and camping, I came to a conclusion that PAW-2000 is officially a crap watch compared to even cheaper G-Shock watches, and especially compared to GS-1100.

    You see, the idea of this A-B-C watch (Altimeter, Barometer, Compass) is in theory awesome. But placed in reality, most of these functions just do not work, and on some level, indirectly, Casio tells you that as well.

    First of all Compass is, of course, magnetic. Earth's MAGNET poles are on very different locations than Earth's geographic North/South pole.

    You can check Wiki about magnetic and geographic poles.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IG...eclination.gif

    for the ones living in Europe (like me) the watch will miss by about 15 degrees pointing North above Canada, and south down below Australia. This can really screw you up if you try to orientate on map. I admit, if you KNOW that the watch is showing you a bit awkward data, you can count that into your orientation and somehow manage to find your location.

    However, if you have a normal analogue wristwatch, you can calculate/approximate your bearing using hour-hand and sun location as well.

    So, the compass on PAW is approximate, as would the improvised compass of GS be.

    Barometer actually works and you can use it to predict weather. If you see the pressure to start dropping rapidly, you can be sure bad weather is on it's way. With barometer, there is a temperature measurement as well. That absolutely does not work. Even in the manual, Casio suggests that to measure temperature you should take off your watch and leave it for 30 minutes away from your body or any other objects that could radiate/transfer heat onto it.

    But check this out; Altimeter relies on temperature reading to guess your altitude, therefore, if you have your watch on your wrist (imagine that scenario...), your body will heat up the watch, the temperature reading will be waaaay wrong, and with that Altimeter will be insanely wrong.

    In a real scenario that happened to me - you are wearing a jacket, because you started hiking in the morning, and then as the day goes on (heats up) you take off your jacket and are now in short sleeves. Under long sleeves watch will heat up, and when you go to short sleeves, it will cool down. The Altimeter in this case will go completely berserk. You could be standing still, but due to change in temperature, watch will think that you are going down.

    Page 7 of manual tells you that the Altimeter is using correlation between pressure and temperature to determine altitude:

    http://ftp.casio.co.jp/pub/world_man.../en/qw3172.pdf

    So, the compass is approximate, temperature is just absolutely useless, with it altimeter as well. Barometer works well, but if you are even a little ourdoorsy type, you will know how the weather will be by other signals and by, you know, reading the weather forecast.

    Furthermore, the general quality of the watch is (compared to GS 1100) in lack of better words ... total crap.

    The plastic feels cheap, everything is, I don't know, flimsy? Resin feels low quality as well. I might be wrong here, maybe these materials are some super duper NASA space age next generation, maybe they will never break even if they feel cheap, but materials just feel wrong. GS's metal and resin feel like you could roll a tank over them and they would still be OK and they LOOK GOOD as well! And by god, I have abused my GS for a year, and I could still wear it on my wrist to business meetings without fear that it would look like I just robbed a street bum for his watch.

    The only good thing on PAW (by good, I mean, better than GS-1100), is that it is digital so setting up of complex functions is much easier (home city, alarm, ...). If you want to change your Alarm on GS-1100, be prepared for a 15 minute action as you wait for the the hands to rotate. But that is just a category that they cannot compete in, one is analogue, other is digital.

    This little adventure reminded me again that what looks good on paper might not be so true in real life use. Also, all of the reviews I found on the net prior to buying PAW-2000 are reviews based on half an hour of usage. These dudes opened PAW box, went to get their camera, and made a "review". Yea, thanks guys.

    Got some cash to spare for your next watch? Get a GS-1100. It will be as useful as PAW-2000, only it is much tougher, nicer and better quality. Admittedly, you will not be able to impress your work buddies with a cool digital compass, but is that really a point?

    ( Got a question on GS-1100 or PAW-2000? Ask, I have had quite an experience with them )

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    Re: PAW-2000 vs. GS-1100 (hint: PAW is crap)

    Wow thanks for the detailed review on the features in the PAW! Definitely helped me in my decision of choosing Casio or Suunto for my next ABC watch!

    Always love the GS line BTW especially the GS-1200 with tough MVT

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    Re: PAW-2000 vs. GS-1100 (hint: PAW is crap)

    Interesting standpoint. However, I really wonder what you expected when you bought the PAW.
    - Ok, so the compass is off, just like any other compass... ...it's a compass, not a GPS.
    - The temperature is off, duh when you duct tape a thermometer on your wrist it won't show the correct temperature either.
    - the altimeter needs to be set to the local air pressure/altitude. Even an altimeter in an aircraft needs to be adjusted to the local altitude before starting.
    What I'm saying is, that all these complaints are intrinsic "errors" that will come with any watch with these features, it's not the fault of the watch itself.
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    Hey. I seriously doubt that any wrist watch can perform ABC functions with sufficient quality. Your body and your clothing will always screw up the temperature, and with it altimeter will be distorted as well.

    Not sure how other manufacturers do compass, but it could not be much different than Casio's method of detecting magnetic north? Or could it?

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    Re: PAW-2000 vs. GS-1100 (hint: PAW is crap)

    hello user who curses unboxing threads and has a great deal of experience with these watches.

    my experience was that the compass, when properly calibrated, was very accurate within the area of a typical day's adventure. did you try calibrating the offset for magnetic north? all compasses have this same 'weakness'. fortunately, declination maps are easily found.
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    Hey Micha, I agree on your comment. I might have had too high expectations and when I experienced them for real (as opposed to reading about them) they surprised me, badly.

    But on some level, I feel like a victim of false advertising. Do not get this quite literally, of course, but all of the reviews ( "reviews" ) not once mentioned "hey, you know what, your body will screw up the temperature, and with it altitude reading, and compass is not so good, and materials look cheap".

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    Re: PAW-2000 vs. GS-1100 (hint: PAW is crap)

    Quote Originally Posted by HR.Daemon View Post
    Hey fellas!

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    ( Got a question on GS-1100 or PAW-2000? Ask, I have had quite an experience with them )
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    Re: PAW-2000 vs. GS-1100 (hint: PAW is crap)

    Can't say these are fair criticisms of this watch.

    Most ABC watches need to be adjusted at some point in their use if you want reasonably accurate measurement.

    The compass can be adjusted to show 'true' north if you wish. The procedure will be in the manual.

    The barometer will be fairly accurate all the time. The altimeter needs to be adjusted to a 'reference' height whenever you know this during your journey as it runs mainly from the barometric pressure. If you do this whilst wearing it and check it whilst on the wrist the altimeter function will operate fairly accurately as the temperature will be constant.

    As far as checking the actual temperature of course you have to take it off, nobody would think you could tell the actual outside temperature otherwise. When you want to check the altitude again just put the watch back on.



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    Re: PAW-2000 vs. GS-1100 (hint: PAW is crap)

    hello

    long time lurker, first poster. this one called me out of the woodwork . i recently purchased the paw-2000 and i while i can understand the OP's criticisms, i am really digging the watch. the sunset/sunrise times are great, it syncs everynight with colorado (positioned nowhere near a window) from southwest california, the legibility of the dial is great with great big numbers for the time and the three-d effect for the secondary purple display is fun.

    i know i need to calibrate the barometer and compass at some point - as soon as i have the time. i could criticize the materials but for the price vs. function, casio must have had to cut somewhere.

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    Re: PAW-2000 vs. GS-1100 (hint: PAW is crap)

    Quote Originally Posted by forestfortrees View Post
    hello

    long time lurker, first poster. this one called me out of the woodwork . i recently purchased the paw-2000 and i while i can understand the OP's criticisms, i am really digging the watch. the sunset/sunrise times are great, it syncs everynight with colorado (positioned nowhere near a window) from southwest california, the legibility of the dial is great with great big numbers for the time and the three-d effect for the secondary purple display is fun.

    i know i need to calibrate the barometer and compass at some point - as soon as i have the time. i could criticize the materials but for the price vs. function, casio must have had to cut somewhere.
    welcome aboard wus. what other watches do you have or desire (if any)?
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