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    Re: Lets see your Transitional 861 Speedmaster!

    Thanks, Mimo. Check your PM.

    Quote Originally Posted by mimo5000 View Post
    Does anyone else think it's pretty freaky that my Transitional is also a serial 26,557,6XX ??
    That makes 3 of us on this thread with a Speedy in that range.

    PS - mine has the traditional 145.022 Chrono hand. All seems original to me. (This is the same pic I've posted in the past).

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    Re: Lets see your Transitional 861 Speedmaster!

    Can a 1969 transitional have a raised metal logo? I saw one for sale and I want to make sure that's even possible.

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    Re: Lets see your Transitional 861 Speedmaster!

    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchguy View Post
    Can a 1969 transitional have a raised metal logo? I saw one for sale and I want to make sure that's even possible.
    i don't think i've ever seen a marked 145.022 -69 with an AML, but i have seen omega certified made in '69 speedies that are '68 case backs.

    what's the movement #? you can check it against the list speedyadam has posted higher up in this thread, should be 26 or 27m.

    post up a pict and people can help you out.
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    Re: Lets see your Transitional 861 Speedmaster!

    I haven't opened it yet
    I like watches.

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    Re: Lets see your Transitional 861 Speedmaster!

    Quote Originally Posted by joe band View Post
    i don't think i've ever seen a marked 145.022 -69 with an AML, but i have seen omega certified made in '69 speedies that are '68 case backs.

    what's the movement #? you can check it against the list speedyadam has posted higher up in this thread, should be 26 or 27m.

    post up a pict and people can help you out.
    i have seen many transitionals with applied logo and a -69 engraved in caseback. The serials are up to about28m, but I am not sure when the last one was.

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    Re: Lets see your Transitional 861 Speedmaster!

    Quote Originally Posted by Spacefruit View Post
    i have seen many transitionals with applied logo and a -69 engraved in caseback. The serials are up to about28m, but I am not sure when the last one was.
    i stand corrected, thanks for the heads up. were all of them with the pre-moon caseback?
    my two are 26m and 27m, i'll leave the 28s to others. ;)
    '68s that were 321, '69 that were AML and printed.... a real time of flux, change and transition! thanks for the info.

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    Re: Lets see your Transitional 861 Speedmaster!

    Here is mine, a 145.022 68, can´t wait to mount the original 1039 when i find some additional spare links

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    Re: Lets see your Transitional 861 Speedmaster!

    I just called Omega in Switzerland and spoke with a gentleman in the Extract of the Archives Department regarding my 145.022-68 ST, 265551XX, as the Extract is not available in the US. Funny enough, he also owns an AML .861 he’s quite proud of. We discussed the following.

    1. Produced January 9, 1968. "One of the first Speedmasters with the .861.” I had estimated November. The serial numbers really jump around, he agreed.

    2. Originally sold on August 29, 1969. Imported by Norman Morris, New York. (Produced Pre-Moon, sold Post-Moon.)

    3. Original bezel Tachymètre? - No Information. “The original owner had this choice upon purchase.” I think I’ll install the NOS Pulsations bezel I have standing by to freshen up the watch, keep it period and preserve the dot over 90 while it’s still there.

    4. Original dial (Applied Metal Logo or Painted Logo)? - No Information. “This early, it surely came with an AML."

    5. Original chronograph second hand? - No Information. (Early hands were used on and off at least until late 1968.)

    6. How many 145.022-68s were produced (~20,000)? - No Information.

    7. What's the serial number of the first .861 Speedmaster? - No Information. (26553XXX is an .861.)

    8. What's the serial number of the last .321 Speedmaster? - No Information. “.321s were produced into 1969.” (
    273201XX is a .321.)

    9. What's the serial number of the last Speedmaster dial with an Applied Metal Logo? - No Information.

    My questions eventually caused quiet laughter, “These are things, we at Omega, wish we knew.”

    He seemed to appreciate my enthusiasm and I thanked him about a million times.

    Still can’t believe it was produced in January of 1968. Could an .861 have been produced in as early as 1967?

    —Adam

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    Re: Lets see your Transitional 861 Speedmaster!

    Took two minutes (local watchmaker wanted two days and warned of crystal damage). Popped the DO90 bezel off, crystal down, with a plastic drift & a tiny ball peen into a pillow (thank you Videos | Speedmaster101) and pressed the new one on with a suitable plastic spacer and a vise. Worked perfectly without a hint of drama. Even did it twice to get the alignment just right.

    I'm diggin' the new look too. All the black is killer and it's still a time machine to 1968. The Omega packaging even mentions the 145.012 - helping keep the experience feeling Pre-Moon. This dial is just too sweet to be surrounded by that high milage bezel. Maybe I can find someone to touch up the original without making it look worse. Anyway, it's been great fun getting this watch into shape.

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    Re: Lets see your Transitional 861 Speedmaster!

    I got caught up on some more serial numbers so I thought I'd post the list, 26M and on.

    If it ends in a "0", think of it as an "X"; it's just a place holder (so the order here is only so valuable).
    The year is based on an Extract (production date), the case back or a best guess, in that order, depending on availability.
    H = older style chrono Hand.
    PL = Painted Logo.
    220B = 220 Bezel.
    The full date is when I grabbed the photo so it's related to the sale or asking price, I wish I had labeled which.
    All have stepped dials.

    Production dates would be the ideal order to put them in but that's some rare public data. (I've seen serial numbers within 2,000 produced a year apart.)

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