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    Re: Lets see your Transitional 861 Speedmaster!

    Quote Originally Posted by SpeedyAdam View Post
    Bog-standard = ordinary. Probably in reference to the 3 million 145.022s made.

    Approximate Speedmaster Production:

    1957 - 1958: CK 2915 --------------------- 125,000
    1959 - 1962: CK 2998 --------------------- 218,000
    1962 - 1966: ST 105.003 ------------------ 125,000
    1963 - 1966: ST 31000 -------------------- 105,000
    1963 - 1966: ST 105.012 ------------------ 125,000
    1966 - 1968: ST 145.003 ------------------ 30,000
    1966: ST 145.012 -------------------------- 145,000
    1968 - 1969: ST 145.022-68 --------------- 20,000

    1969 - 1970: ST 145.022-69 --------------- 56,000
    1970 - 1997: ST 145.022 ------------------- 3,000,000
    1997 - 2000: ST 145.022 (c.1861) --------- 394,000
    2000 - 2012: all references ---------------- 1,350,000

    PRE-PROFESSIONAL: ------------------------ 624,000
    PRE-MOON: ---------------------------------- 165,000
    POST-MOON: --------------------------------- 4,830,000

    Total 1957 - 2012: --------------------------- 5,619,000

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    I think you are too high with the speedys with 321 movement. I found a conversation with omega, see at the bottom of this link
    Armbåndsure - den sjove periode 1950 - 1975
    There is a number of 40.000 watches with caliber 321 mentioned.
    This would mean from 1957 to 1968, from CK2915 to 145.003 only a number of max. 40.000!
    @speedyadam: I think you countet numbers only looking on the serial number. I think a range from 26.550.000 to 26.562.000 don´t lead to a production number of 12.000. May be they produced watches from 26.550.000 to 26.551.000 (1000) and from 26.560.000 to 26.562.000 (2000)?
    Sorry for my bad description.
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    Re: Lets see your Transitional 861 Speedmaster!

    It's hard to make out the serial number in the pictures that I have but the number is
    27,323,3XX

    And it is a 145.022-68ST
    Quote Originally Posted by SpeedyAdam View Post
    One million? :)

    Let's see, that's maybe a 145.022-69, so ~56,000. Got pic? More of the movement number?

    Cheers,
    Adam

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    Re: Lets see your Transitional 861 Speedmaster!

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    Re: Lets see your Transitional 861 Speedmaster!

    Quote Originally Posted by siguzzi View Post
    I think you are too high with the speedys with 321 movement. I found a conversation with omega, see at the bottom of this link
    Armbåndsure - den sjove periode 1950 - 1975
    There is a number of 40.000 watches with caliber 321 mentioned.
    This would mean from 1957 to 1968, from CK2915 to 145.003 only a number of max. 40.000!
    @speedyadam: I think you countet numbers only looking on the serial number. I think a range from 26.550.000 to 26.562.000 don´t lead to a production number of 12.000. May be they produced watches from 26.550.000 to 26.551.000 (1000) and from 26.560.000 to 26.562.000 (2000)?
    Sorry for my bad description.
    Greetings from germany
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    I also think the figures are probably a bit high. I have seen a figure of 40,800 for all 321 movement speedmasters, which I think is a bit too low. As with other manufacturer's serial numbers, it is difficult to accurately guess the number of a single model as the movement numbers are for all watches produced.

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    Re: Lets see your Transitional 861 Speedmaster!

    My ST 145.022 - 69 saying hi,









    Was the production date 1971 accurate? Or it should be deliver/sold date?
    Last edited by ck77; April 5th, 2013 at 10:26.
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    Re: Lets see your Transitional 861 Speedmaster!

    I'd think Omega is going to be accurate. Usually. Seems you have a "69" back on '71.

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    Re: Lets see your Transitional 861 Speedmaster!

    How accurate is this production table? Taken from Omegamania.
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    Re: Lets see your Transitional 861 Speedmaster!

    Quote Originally Posted by SpeedyAdam View Post
    I find this reference to be more detailed when it comes to Speedmaster's:
    Roman Hartmann’s Omega Speedmaster Serial Number Chart

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    Mine is a Transitional with serial 26557XXX.

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    Stepped dial with applied/raised logo, dot over 90 and dot under 70, chrono second had of a 145022 as you can see. Might have a new crown, not sure. Also came with a 1039 bracelet, which hasn't come up in the transitional debate, but I believe that switched to the 1171 for 145022's...question is did it switch during or after the 'transitional' models.

    The case back, however, is a 145012-67, with a personal engraving on the back dated 1969. It's possible the case back was changed, however the original owner swears it was purchased and engraved as is, new from a dealer. I'm currently writing the Omega archive and will hopefully get it figured out.

    (I actually posted about this a few months ago if this sounds familiar. It was sold, but then returned to my vintage dealer in trade for another watch, so I scooped it up).
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    Re: Lets see your Transitional 861 Speedmaster!

    So what do we think about a 145022-68 with calibre 321?? There's one on ebay at the moment but not something I've seen (or heard of) before. What does everyone else think? An unlikely combination?

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