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    Lets see your Transitional 861 Speedmaster!

    I havent seen much vintage speedmaster content for a while, so here is an early transitional speedmaster.
    Serial is 27m which is very early, anyone else got an early one? How early have we got here on the forum?

    Patinated hands and dial, it really needs a dust, inside and out, probably an oil too.
    I just found it here in a street market in Asia so its probably dry.
    Just when I thought I was wasting my time trailing through dust and chickens. I'm not kidding.

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    Re: Lets see your Transitional 861 Speedmaster!

    Transitional 145.022 - 68 ST SN 27325617











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    Re: Lets see your Transitional 861 Speedmaster!

    Great find spacefruit. I wish I could walk down the street and peer into a dumpster on some side street in Asia and find a stunning 1968 Speedmaster. You have the best luck.

    Here is my first 1968 Transitional...2655531X



    This is my newly aquired 68' only in my possesion 4 hours now...2655369X

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    Re: Lets see your Transitional 861 Speedmaster!

    Nice watches!
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    Re: Lets see your Transitional 861 Speedmaster!

    Awesome watches! Thanks for sharing.

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    Re: Lets see your Transitional 861 Speedmaster!

    Quote Originally Posted by flyinghell34 View Post
    Great find spacefruit. I wish I could walk down the street and peer into a dumpster on some side street in Asia and find a stunning 1968 Speedmaster. You have the best luck.

    Here is my first 1968 Transitional...2655531X



    This is my newly aquired 68' only in my possesion 4 hours now...2655369X

    Very nice! I notice these two have different chrono seconds hands. Is one a replacement or were both hands common in that period?
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    Re: Lets see your Transitional 861 Speedmaster!

    Wow, a 26,553,69X with an .861. That's a very early .861. It's the only .861 I've seen with a "Pre-Moon" second hand that's arguably original. Just stunning. Congrats on the new watch, flyinghell34. Both of your '68s are gorgeous!

    I've been trying to figure out the last .321 and the first .861. Here's some of my notes on late '68 - mid '69 Transitionals:

    Found 26,553,69X online, .861.
    Found (2) 26,554,XXXs online, one 145.012 67 (c.321) & one 145.022 (c.861). 26,554,XXX (c.321) produced: November 14, 1968.
    Found (2) 26,555,XXXs online, 788 numbers apart, one 145.012 (c.321) & one 145.022 (c.861), identical dials.
    Found 26,555,383 online (2XX after my watch) c.861, produced: December 5, 1968, purchased: December 19, 1968.
    Found 26,555,3XX online, produced December 5, 1968.
    Found 26,555,31X online.
    Found 26,566,7XX online.
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    26,566,7xx online. .861.
    Found 27,323,877 online, 145.022-68 ST.
    Found 27,324,591 online, produced March 26, 1969.
    Found 27,325,617 online, 145.022-68 ST.
    Found 27,323,9XX online, produced June 18, 1969.
    Found 27,332,993 online, 145.022-68 ST.

    145.012 c.321 1967: 25,XXX,XXX - 26,555,XXX
    145.022 c.861 1968: 26,553,69X - 27,332,993
    145.022 c.861 1969: 28,4XX,XXX - about 32,8XX,XXX

    First c.861: 26,553,69X
    Last c.321: 26,555,XXX
    (Calibre overlap)


    Last year I purchased a '68 Transitional, movement number 26,555,1XX. I had it fully serviced and installed an Omega deployant clasp with a BOB band and a Thomas Preik display back. I would guess the '80s dial and Pre-Moon hands were installed in '80s. Everything else appears to be original. It wouldn't surprise me if at some point Omega refurbished the watch and installed new parts. It almost seems like, to them, watches are living devices that deserve cosmetic restoration during normal service at the cost of originality.

    Reference number: 145.022-68 ST
    Movement: c.861
    Production date: November 14 - 19, 1968
    Probable purchase date: January 1969

    Produced 3 weeks after Buzz Aldrin's watch, ~5,700 serial numbers apart. Produced 1.5 weeks after Michael Collin's watch, ~2700 serial numbers apart.


    One of the first 1,5XX Speedmasters made with the c.861. Most 145.022-68s were produced in 1969. The c.861 was produced until 1997 (30 years) and still today as the Rhodium finished c.1861 (45 years).

    Produced during the transitional period from the c.321 to the c.861 (October - December 1968) but before we landed on the Moon (July 21, 1969) and before Omega started mentioning the Moon on the back (circa August 1969).


    One of the last "Pre Moons" (last 8 months of 12 years).

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    Re: Lets see your Transitional 861 Speedmaster!

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy K View Post
    Very nice! I notice these two have different chrono seconds hands. Is one a replacement or were both hands common in that period?
    I know this will always be an ongoing debate, but I do believe the hands are original to the watch. Once I received it I took it to my watch guy. He is 3rd generation and has done lots of Speedmaster work. It is his opinion they are original to the watch.

    Here is a great old WUS thread on Transitionals. The thread shows a number of 861's with this style chrono hand. My watch has a serial number pre-dating the others shown there with the fantail hand so I believe it is absolutely possible these are original to my watch.

    So just what makes a Speedy ‘transitional’?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyinghell34 View Post
    I know this will always be an ongoing debate, but I do believe the hands are original to the watch. Once I received it I took it to my watch guy. He is 3rd generation and has done lots of Speedmaster work. It is his opinion they are original to the watch.

    Here is a great old WUS thread on Transitionals. The thread shows a number of 861's with this style chrono hand. My watch has a serial number pre-dating the others shown there with the fantail hand so I believe it is absolutely possible these are original to my watch.

    So just what makes a Speedy ‘transitional’?
    Thanks for posting the link! I try to be diligent in my use of the search feature but I'm learning that when it comes to vintage Speedmasters, there are so many threads out there it can be overwhelming.
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    Re: Lets see your Transitional 861 Speedmaster!

    Here is mine:
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