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    Seiko made in Japan or not...

    Hi,
    I have recently seen several comments by fellow forumers indicating that there is no difference between the SKX007 J and K models. The former was supposedly made and assembled in Japan whereas the latter was manufactured in Singapore or China or wherever, but I am not even sure of this as some say that the J models aren't even assembled in Japan anymore.

    I wanted to ask the same question of the 6309 divers...

    Is there any difference (quality or otherwise) between the models that are marked Japan on the back and front as opposed to those that are not?
    It would appear that the later models no longer had the Japan markings (possibly because Seiko had then moved factory to cheaper labour location?).

    And then further to that is there any difference between the 6309 7040 models and the 7049 models (these were apparantly for export to the USA)?

    Thank you in advance.

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    Re: Seiko made in Japan or not...

    Quote Originally Posted by sysbox27 View Post
    Hi,
    I have recently seen several comments by fellow forumers indicating that there is no difference between the SKX007 J and K models. The former was supposedly made and assembled in Japan whereas the latter was manufactured in Singapore or China or wherever, but I am not even sure of this as some say that the J models aren't even assembled in Japan anymore.

    I wanted to ask the same question of the 6309 divers...

    Is there any difference (quality or otherwise) between the models that are marked Japan on the back and front as opposed to those that are not?
    It would appear that the later models no longer had the Japan markings (possibly because Seiko had then moved factory to cheaper labour location?).

    And then further to that is there any difference between the 6309 7040 models and the 7049 models (these were apparantly for export to the USA)?

    Thank you in advance.

    Best regards,
    G.
    Firstly, the J and K designations do not indicate where a particular watch was made or assembled; only what market they were intended for.

    The same applies to the older designations like 7040 vs 7040; intended market not location of manufacture. In fact most of these watches were made in the same plants on the same assembly lines and then supplied with the case back appropriate for the market into which it was going to be sold.

    Secondly all Seiko watches are made and assembled to Seiko standards irrespective of location.

    Today only the high end calibers are actually made in Japan and they are of obviously better quality to start with
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    Usually Seikos that are put together in Japan will have "MADE IN JAPAN" on the edge of dial between the 6 and 7 o'clock markers. Other countries are usually identified on the case back following the words "MADE IN". Name of countries by themselves or with the abbreviation "MOV.", either on the dial's edge or case back or the movement itself, identify where the movement was made and not necessarily where the entire watch was manufactured. By the way, Japan made Seikos come in most price categories and are not really limited to their high-end models. Oh, goody! This gives me a good excuse to show off my SNZB23 again. Enjoy!

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    Re: Seiko made in Japan or not...

    Quote Originally Posted by AirWatch View Post
    Usually Seikos that are put together in Japan will have "MADE IN JAPAN" on the edge of dial between the 6 and 7 o'clock markers. Other countries are usually identified on the case back following the words "MADE IN". Name of countries by themselves or with the abbreviation "MOV.", either on the dial's edge or case back or the movement itself, identify where the movement was made and not necessarily where the entire watch was manufactured. By the way, Japan made Seikos come in most price categories and are not really limited to their high-end models. Oh, goody! This gives me a good excuse to show off my SNZB23 again. Enjoy!
    Unless that is an old vintage model, it is highly unlikely it was manufactured, assembled and cased in Japan or else it would have cost over $1000.

    The words on the dial and case back are legaleze for import/export reasons and are not indicative of where a watch was actually made. The cost of labour in Japan precludes any entry level Seiko watches from actually being made in that country.

    That being said, every Seiko at whatever price point is equal in quality no matter where the parts were stamped out, where they were assembled or where the whole thing was cased up. Seiko has a rigid set of manufacturing standards that all factories adhere to.

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    I used to be rather cautious with items 'Made in China' however there's no need to worry.

    People often associate items 'Made in China' with cheap factories, child labor and/or lack of skill and thus low quality stuff. But the people assembling watches in China are anything but your average Happy Meal toy makers. The people working in Seiko factories are trained, work in Seiko factories with the right equipment and cleanrooms and earn significantly more than the average chinese labourer. But someone who earns 5 times the average wage in china is still 4 times as cheap as a Japanese craftsman.

    Same goes for companies like Sony, Microsoft and even 'Swedish' Ikea furniture.
    My Xbox is 10 year old and still runs fine, my Ps3 is 5 year old and looks brand new and I have some Ikea furniture that has had more blow than Mike Tyson functioning fine and still looking excellent.

    Ofcourse there's a difference in quality but you'll be paying for it dearly, even affordable Tissot watches (Made in Swiss) start at whereabout $400 for the simplest designs, so the biggest difference is price.

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    You are going to find 2 sides of the spectrum with this question. I just recently bought my very 1st Seiko and shortly after another diver. I had to option of choosing the cheaper K model of the J; and finally decided to go for the Made in Japan model.
    2 things to consider:
    1. Resale value - If you ever decide to part or trade a Seiko; a Japan made model will yield a bit more advantage.
    2. Knowing the Japanese culture for a few years; I can tell you that you can export technology, but you cannot export the Japanese state of mind to achieve perfection thus another reason I rather buy Japanese made.


    As previously stated, be careful about the J. Does not always indicate that it has been made in Japan.
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    Re: Seiko made in Japan or not...

    Quote Originally Posted by SteveLens View Post
    I used to be rather cautious with items 'Made in China' however there's no need to worry.

    People often associate items 'Made in China' with cheap factories, child labor and/or lack of skill and thus low quality stuff. But the people assembling watches in China are anything but your average Happy Meal toy makers. The people working in Seiko factories are trained, work in Seiko factories with the right equipment and cleanrooms and earn significantly more than the average chinese labourer. But someone who earns 5 times the average wage in china is still 4 times as cheap as a Japanese craftsman.

    Same goes for companies like Sony, Microsoft and even 'Swedish' Ikea furniture.
    My Xbox is 10 year old and still runs fine, my Ps3 is 5 year old and looks brand new and I have some Ikea furniture that has had more blow than Mike Tyson functioning fine and still looking excellent.

    Ofcourse there's a difference in quality but you'll be paying for it dearly, even affordable Tissot watches (Made in Swiss) start at whereabout $400 for the simplest designs, so the biggest difference is price.

    Stevie there are QC issues with chinese products posted at wus on an almost hourly basis but thanks any way for the laughs.

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    Re: Seiko made in Japan or not...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfsatz View Post
    You are going to find 2 sides of the spectrum with this question. I just recently bought my very 1st Seiko and shortly after another diver. I had to option of choosing the cheaper K model of the J; and finally decided to go for the Made in Japan model.
    2 things to consider:
    1. Resale value - If you ever decide to part or trade a Seiko; a Japan made model will yield a bit more advantage.
    2. Knowing the Japanese culture for a few years; I can tell you that you can export technology, but you cannot export the Japanese state of mind to achieve perfection thus another reason I rather buy Japanese made.


    As previously stated, be careful about the J. Does not always indicate that it has been made in Japan.
    Incontestable fact, long since discussed and beaten to death here: J and K, "made in" and "MVT assembled" are based on where Seiko plans to export to and sell a product via their AD network (gray mkt does not apply). This is based upon what various countries require for imported watches. Very few Seiko's are "made in Japan", certainly not a 5. Seiko mfg's and assembles in numerous factories throughout Asia. All watches within the same model are typically made in the same factory, regardless of what dial is used. Same for movements. Seiko may move production from time to time. A 4r36 seems to have some final mod or assembly done in Japan, hence models with that MVT for sale in the US AD network say "MVT Japan". Per US law. They are not really made in Japan, as that implies.

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