Rolex Explorer II- Real or Fake?

[LBC]

Hello everybody! I have in my possession a supposed Rolex Oyster Perpetual Date Explorer II. Of course i'd like to believe it's real, and I haven't spotted a tell-tale sign that its a fake yet, but I have my suspicions that it is, in fact, a phony watch. I am far from an expert on watches, and I was hoping that I could get a definite answer from those of you more knowledgeable on the subject than me. Also, in the event that it is real, I was wondering if anybody had any experience with a Rolex that just doesn't seem to run. I've tried winding it up, but it doesn't seem effected by my efforts, so either I have some sort of problem, or i'm just an idiot and doing it wrong (again, I am far from an expert ). Any help is greatly appreciated, and I thank you in advance.

-Details about watch-
All the printing on the inside of the case seems fine and up to par with Rolex quality. The hands also look legitimate. The cyclops appears to magnify the date to what seems to me about two times magnification, but that's just my guess, as my eyes are untrained in that matter. One thing that leads me to believe it is a fake is that the bezel seems to be in the wrong position, or at least it seems that way to me. What I mean is that, for example, the 24 seems to be slightly to the right of the top of the dial, whereas the 12 seems to be slightly left of the bottom of the dial.

On the back, although worn, it still has some sort of green holographic sticker stuck on the back of the case. Looking around, I see the numbers 16620 on the connecting links of the bracelet, and 455 B on the actual part that connects the bracelet (sorry, I don't know what the technical name for what i'm referring to is). The 16620 also raises my suspicion that it is a fake, because after research on the internet for a while, I could not find information about an Explorer II with that serial number.

The third piece of evidence I have against the watch is the problem with it's function itself. It won't run. I have tried to wind the watch, but whenever I turn the crown counter-clockwise, it will just keep spinning until it eventually leaves the watch. When I spin the crown clockwise, it will simply spin in and become tight again. I have not been able to wind or set the watch.

I tested the watch underwater, and no water leaked into the case, so that gives me hope that it is real, as I have heard that many fakes let water into the case when submerged.

So... given all the evidence, what do you watch enthusiasts think? Is my watch a true-blue Rolex Explorer II, or is just a cheap knock-off?

[Strela]

With so many red-flags things don't look very promising. Picture would help, but most to only completely determine exactly how phony it is. If you think it may be real, (which I'm not sure you do,) take it to a Rolex dealer and they will tell for certain.

[Trel]

Even if it is real, it sounds like it needs a lot of (expensive) work done to get it back into shape. However, the holographic sticker doesn't really mean anything. Those were quickly faked.

One thing that the fakers have only recently started doing is stacking the hands correctly. That used to be a dead giveaway. It's supposed to go seconds-minutes-GMT-hours, while the gmt movement the fakers use, typically a modified copy of an ETA 2836 has the GMT hand at the very bottom of the stack.

[Bondtoys]

Without seeing a pic, nobody will be able to help you.
what is more important is the question how you got possession of the watch.

If you bought is for 500 or 50 bucks, chances are high that it's a fake

Buying a watch where you are certain that it's a fake and which is not working - not sure if many would do this

[OrangeSport]

The out of line bezel would worry me for sure. Especially as it is static on this model. The crown could be damaged, but again it sounds suspect...

Price could be a tell tale sign. Openning it up would confirm things...

[hit80s]

No follow up ?

[Healthynrj]

Alright lads, just been browsing around came across the thread . I also have a Rolex oyster perpetual would like to get some feedback on its authenticity . Similar to the description of the guys who posted this thread awhile back thought id show photos of the one i have. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PGQ1c7ihspM

[scamp007]

Alright lads, just been browsing around came across the thread . I also have a Rolex oyster perpetual would like to get some feedback on its authenticity . Similar to the description of the guys who posted this thread awhile back thought id show photos of the one i have. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PGQ1c7ihspM

Thanks, there's three minutes of my life I'll never get back...


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[tools]

The Original Posters description of numbers are those you would find on a Datejust, not on an Explorer II. In any event, the first number is a model number for a Datejust and would not be found on any links of a bracelet. Also the 455B at the end-link is the number for a two tone link... All-in-all, those numbers add up to a poorly copied set of numbers on a counterfeit product..