SOS - Sinn Owners of Singapore

[U-ship]

Oh No! I sense some unhappiness and hostility here!

Well Kool Cat no offence to anyone in this forum too, but do allow me to clarify. I hate to see a smiling cat so frown with wiskers and tails all uptight. I hope you're not too put off with the comments, if you're I would like to apologise here internationally and hope you'd accept my mindless comments

No offence to Prof Tan or anyone in this forum, I like to think that I made up my mind independently on my purchase of my U2 and was not unduly swayed/influence by anyone's comments or blog. I like to think I am not a mindless idiot that follows trend. In addition, I had bought a U2, not U1 so I cannot be accused of following others in their footsteps.

I did not meant to imply that the blog or review influenced individual's decision or choice on the U1, just that the watch has been put through so much detailed reviews and bona fide tests that it merely helped in assuring young or even new collectors on the purchase. I know of some people whom asked a great deal of questions on the U1 and end up purchasing a Rolex because, he felt Sinn was all much of a gimmick thing. I'm sure people in this forum are hanging around here for their real passion for the Sinn technology. I'm also sure you'll agree that its not for some fashion trend thing or "make yourself feel important" ego boaster that people are after here, if that were true then I think the more luxurious brands should be more desirable for that purpose.

Also, I think we will all be doing Prof Tan a disservice by giving him a medal from any of the government agencies if his intention was honourable, that is to promote this little red dot as a watch hub. While you may consider it appropriate to award him a medal for him to accept it, it may have implications for the man.

Hey hey I was merely teasing around here.... Ok no awards than.... the STB, EDB and MND was only a joke. If CTE, ECP, AYE and PIE made sense I'd use it too.. It's just that we're in the SOS thread that's why I made a Singlish Joke out of it. If it makes you mad, I'm sorry, I'll bear in mind no such lingos here than.

Moreover, I am sure he is adequately rewarded in other ways that you cannot even dream off, so what would a medal mean to him unless it comes in the form of a Patek Nautilius 5712 or something even more expensive

I'm sure you weren't taking things to heart, but just as one is free to express his or her perspectives here, I 'd like to respect your comments and displeasures too. But I hate to cause any unhappiness anywhere, my goal is to be a friend to everyone. At the end of the day, if you're still unhappy, its my duty to make sure things are alright, we may even need to sort it out at another SOS outing....

[Sinnerman]

Actually Hary, everyone who is into the U-series were once or another influenced by Harry's (or rather Prof Tan's) review. I mean who would dare purchase such a watch without his careful review.

Plus, the most recently posted Long Term Review (1 year) of the Sinn U1, it generally gives buyers, or potential buyers more legitimate reasons to purchase that deep-monster series. So potnetial buyers! Why think wishy washy? It's been proven, tested, writen, stamped and posted!

But I got to say Harry really put our red dot on an international platfoam for horology! I think STB, EDB and MND should confer you an award for doing us proud man! kekeke

Thanks U-Ship,

You are very kind with your comments.

As I said before on some other thread on this Forum, lets give credit where credit is due. This is a great watch that deserves the attention of serious collectors.

I am sure there are a lot of current U1 and U2 owners who feel the same way about the watch as I do (and the other reviewers in my report) and as such, it was a simple thing to get other collectors to just give their honest views. So in fact, the long term report was much easier to do than the first launch review where a fair bit of research and interviews with Herr Schmidt etc was needed.

It just takes effort to crytalise the passion. There are those who call it a hobby but sit back and just enjoy other's work. Then there are those who criticise but make not effort to contribute.

But there will always be a handful who will take time and effort to help others develop their interest. I believe Martin (Crusader) and Timothy Patrick (Sinn Mod) - are two such persons.

Like them, with our hobby, we do not need thanks nor do we look for remuneration for our efforts. But I do ask on behalf of all others who freely contribute - that for those people - they should not to be insulted by allegations or insinuations of remuneration where there is none.

I thought KoolKat's post here SOS - Sinn Owners of Singapore was fine and I respect him for setting out his views in his post where paragraphs 1 and 2 are concerned. However, I feel I needed to take time to dispel any misconception he alluded in his last paragraph. So unfortunately I did take offence which may have been just an error on his part rather than an out and out allegation without basis. I hope he will be a gentleman about this and apologise.

On a more positive note, regarding your comment about putting the RedDot on the world map of horology, I will be the first to admit that there are almost 10 top horologists here in Singapore (which does not include me) - all true experts and very respected and influential in the watch world. You will be surprised how humble they are and how deep their knowledge of horology.

I hold no influence with the horology as I do not own a lot of watches nor own expensive ones either. My only contribution to the watch world - of which you have already alluded is my watch blog and watch photography.

If you or any watch enthusiast found my review (or any other other reviews I have published) useful, enriching or even entertaining, I am more than glad.

I believe as with all other honest watch reviewers, the effort is in recording the findings and honest opinions to help those who feel that they need some edification or even education on the subject matter.

Its not my intent - to change or influence the choices of collectors. Such efforts can easily be seen in many forums and unobjective reviews - which there are aplenty.

Regards
Harry Tan

[Sinnerman]

No offence to Prof Tan or anyone in this forum, I like to think that I made up my mind independently on my purchase of my U2 and was not unduly swayed/influence by anyone's comments or blog. I like to think I am not a mindless idiot that follows trend. In addition, I had bought a U2, not U1 so I cannot be accused of following others in their footsteps.

Also, I think we will all be doing Prof Tan a disservice by giving him a medal from any of the government agencies if his intention was honourable, that is to promote this little red dot as a watch hub. While you may consider it appropriate to award him a medal for him to accept it, it may have implications for the man.

Moreover, I am sure he is adequately rewarded in other ways that you cannot even dream off, so what would a medal mean to him unless it comes in the form of a Patek Nautilius 5712 or something even more expensive

Koolkat,

my response - in part to your post here - is found in my reply to U-Ship below.

I seriously hope your comment was tongue in cheek and that no ill will was intended.

I do however expect a reply clarifying your allegation of how I am "adequately rewarded in other ways that you cannot dream off".

Harry Tan

[Kool Cat]

To U-Ship, no worries mate, no offence was taken at all, so no need for apologies. I fully understood your perspective just that this is an international forum, we have to be more "careful" in that sense. I am still that same Kool Cat and not anything that you have described.

To Prof Tan, I had meant it in tongue in cheek and no ill intent was intended (pun not intended too!). In fact, you see that there was TWO not ONE, smilies, in that sentence that you took "offence".

Seriously, for the record, Prof Tan does it for the love of horology and it is good that he too, is flying the same Singapore Flag like all of us here. As the comment was made tongue in cheek :oops: I think we should be able to sit down and all have a good laugh one of these days and I look forward to meeting Prof Tan in person.

Hopefully, I can learn a thing or two from him as well. Also to clarify, what I meant was the non-tangible joy of sharing his love for horology is "reward" enough than anyone can dream off!

That's what I love about this forum, it is a no-nonsense, no "buy this and that" forum, where honest debate and serious discussions can take place and yet at the end of the day, we all can sit down and enjoy horology as the Preferred Hobby!

Cheers! As always, Kool Cat

[raffles1]

Moreover, I am sure he is adequately rewarded in other ways that you cannot even dream off, so what would a medal mean to him unless it comes in the form of a Patek Nautilius 5712 or something even more expensive

Kool Cat

The above allegation is uncalled for and it is silly to even to speak (even if it is intended as a joke), worst, you wrote & posted it in this international forum as you've mentioned, without any evidence!

Its really affect badly on forummers from Singapore, as if we can trigger happy without facts.

The philosophy of horology is 'functionality with accuracy and dependability' and I think we should behave and embrace it if we are passionate about this hobby.

Hopefully you realise it and take time to think before posting anything, and gentleman enough to apologise to Sinnerman who is in good faith and taking efforts to pass information and knowledge to us.

[Crusader]

The problem with internet-based communication is that frequently signals are lost which would make a situation very clear to persons communicating face-to-face in the same room ... please all be aware of that factor.

I would very much like to see the family spirit (even in disagreements) preserved that Tim in particular has so hard worked for (I know that I am a fairly grumpy guy at times).

[Tim got his boots back]

I would have to agree completely with Martin's remarks concerning offerings on forums. In person, the facial and body expressions will convey the manner in which what was said was meant. On forums, obviously, this aspect is absent so the written word carries so much. The way one forms his sentences and uses his adjectives and even smileys and such can be misconstrued by each and every one of us if offered up in a hap hazzard manner. Others cannot read your mind so your words and only your words speak for you.

The above, is common knowledge and was not meant to be a talking down to anyone. My apologies if that's they way it came in. What I would like to accomplish with this post is a reminder that so much rides on how you present your thoughts and arguments when the membership cannot be there to see and hear you speak and take into consideration your physical mannerisms. Please take the time and due diligence to phrase yourself in a way that eliminates the possibility of mistaken sentiments by normal, level headed readers for something which you did not intend it to be. This will pay dividends and add much to the daily affermation and enforcement of the family feeling that we all would like to see continue here.

I will not comment on the aspects of what was said here as I do not want to drag this out but I think after a public apology is issued I would take it as a personal favour if the membership would not step in to give their two cents. It seems obvious now that words were typed and posted and some offense was taken with them and this is between the author of the words and the one who feels offended. It is also assumed that none of us really wanted this and feel that a better choice of words would have been prudent. Sometimes, post after post presenting personal thoughts on incidents like this can make things worse than they really need to be, no matter how honestly and sincerely offered. Please send a line to your friendly neighborhood mods with your concerns and we will address the situation asap.

For those who have pm'd me, I thank you for your time to send me a line and appreciate your interest in maintaining a friendly atmosphere here.

All the best to all of you,
Tim

[SJACKAL]

Kool Cat

The above allegation is uncalled for and it is silly to even to speak (even if it is intended as a joke), worst, you wrote & posted it in this international forum as you've mentioned, without any evidence!

Its really affect badly on forummers from Singapore, as if we can trigger happy without facts.

The philosophy of horology is 'functionality with accuracy and dependability' and I think we should behave and embrace it if we are passionate about this hobby.

Hopefully you realise it and take time to think before posting anything, and gentleman enough to apologise to Sinnerman who is in good faith and taking efforts to pass information and knowledge to us.

Raffles,

I think the issue is between Koolcat and Prof Tan and probably U-ship. I would stay out of this if I am you. :)

On the lighter side of things, life is too short to take everythings too seriously, especially exchanges over the internet, and when no one stands to benefit. Hope this gets resolved. :)

[SJACKAL]

I think after a public apology is issued I would take it as a personal favour if the membership would not step in to give their two cents. It seems obvious now that words were typed and posted and some offense was taken with them and this is between the author of the words and the one who feels offended.
Tim

Just to highlight Tim's words. More comments will only lead to more displeasure among ourselves.

[Kool Cat]

My sincere apologies to Prof Tan if my comments about the "rewards" issue was misconstrued. I had meant it in tongue and cheek but on second thought, as pointed out by both moderators, where in the internet, there is a possibility where it can be misconstrued. I am sorry that I was not conscious enough to discern between clear language and otherwise and hereby would like to offer my apologies.

It is not my intention to cause mischieve or stir up trouble in a world class forum like this nor give the mods any trouble. I will try to be more careful with my words next time and if I foul up, pse forgive me.