Did the 1887 movement originate with Seiko?

[rosborn]

Just curious. I saw this link in the Seiko forum and I wonder how valid it is.

New TAG Heuer caliber 1887 actually a Seiko » Seiko Champion

[Gordon Shumway]

It is my understanding that the 1887 movement is heavily based on a Seiko movement that TAG Heuer acquired the rights to. However it is not an exact copy and TAG Heuer has manufactured many of it's own parts for the movement. Here is a link that goes over the 1887 in detail.
The Calibre 1887 Story | Calibre 11 -TAG Heuer Watches

[dero]

In one of the responses to the article, the guy states he's stripped it down and sees that it's a different beast to the original Seiko.

It holds the hallmarks that originate from Seiko but it has been updated on.

People don't complain about shirts that look similar to other shirts. A business shirt can be designed with a different styled collar and slightly different stitching at the cuffs and seams. Car manufacturers have been continually doing this also - a car you buy today holds much of the original hallmarks of the original car made by Ferdinand Benz. They all have 4 wheels, a seat and a method to steer and stop its motion. They have a similar look but internally they've been updated with the times.

Business shirts and motor vehicles have their hallmarks and origins from it's history. The 1887 has hallmarks from a Seiko movement, however given it's been improved on, I don't see the problems. TAG Heuer purchased the license to use the movement, they subsequently updated the movement. Just like BMW, Mercedes Benz, Volkswagen and every other car manufacturer do, by updating, styling and brand personalising, they have claimed ownership and labelled it as a part of their brand.

[iam7head]

Yes and yes.

I love how people are okay with base 7750 with a "designed" signed rotor but not a Seiko column wheels movement with TAG added/improved movement.

Most movement snob will take that Seiko movement over 7750, it's a better design and it should performs better. Not having just another 7750 would be a bonus for me...It's actually quite hard to find a non 7750 at this price range..or piggy back DD module ETA's

it's NOT a true in house movement for sure..just like the El primero Daytona, 2500 Co-Ax SMP, etc

but that just me :)

[Eeeb]

The search function is your friend. There is a post here from the Chairman of TAGHeuer describing the differences and the history of TAG licensing the movement... it uses one of Heuer's inventions.

[Protest]

The search function is your friend. There is a post here from the Chairman of TAGHeuer describing the differences and the history of TAG licensing the movement... it uses one of Heuer's inventions.

Yea I don't know much about this kind of stuff, but I think I remember reading (on here of course) that it was based on a Heuer design that Seiko updated. Tag then turned around and updated their update. Obviously that's as simple an explanation you can get, but it's what I remember reading. I could be wrong though lol.

[rosborn]

Thanks guys. I was just curious. Great answers to my harmless question.

[dero]

Most movement snob will take that Seiko movement over 7750, it's a better design and it should performs better. Not having just another 7750 would be a bonus for me...It's actually quite hard to find a non 7750 at this price range..or piggy back DD module ETA's

I guess one of the "contentions" that people might have toward this comment to the 1887 is that TAG Heuer came out with a statement that the 1887 was an in-house designed movement. No one who ever buys something with a 7750 in it goes into buying it with a belief that it's in-house.

[sgrenald]

A Tourneau rep told me that Tag actually BOUGHT the movement from Seiko. As in, Seiko no longer has the rights to yuse the movement. I'm a Seiko fan, so this doesn't bother me. And Tag (and the Swiss in general) decorate their movements much more attractively than the Japanese, IMHO.

[terrabitti]

I agree with iam7head. Sick of 7750's Nothing wrong with them but they're too common.