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    Re: TAG movements

    Quote Originally Posted by Eeeb View Post
    A number of the members of the forum are far more knowledgeable than many who write for watch magazines. The magazines are interesting but they usually consist of professional writers who often write for effect. To claim TAGHeuer's efforts on the Valjoux 7750 consists only of replacing the stock ETA rotor with a TAGHeuer rotor might be a reach...

    My complaint would be that they were still using a 7750 at all...
    I'm very 'new' out here, but have been reading a lot.. Could you please explain to me why you think that way bout the 7750 movements?

    (and is It impossible to find out what grade TAG User for the calibre 16? Or at least the adjustments they've made?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by catch View Post
    I'm very 'new' out here, but have been reading a lot.. Could you please explain to me why you think that way bout the 7750 movements?

    (and is It impossible to find out what grade TAG User for the calibre 16? Or at least the adjustments they've made?)

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    This article may be able to help some, The Valjoux 7750 Chronograph - Part 1 - TimeZone, the 7750 is a robust design that has existed since 1974, any company could acquire and do whatever is needed to brand it as their own sometimes it is the instance where the rotor (i.e., the pendulum that winds the movement) is simply replaced with a TAG Heuer, etc... stamped rotor and others a minor change to the movement that causes it to be 'based' of the 7750... I'm not good about movements but it's just what I've gather... Also, if you didn't know this already did you know that the new Carrera 1887 use a Seiko based movement that TAG Heuer was able to acquire and modify to their liking? The same is true for the Calibre 36, it was made by Zenith (El Primero) and TAG acquired this movement and branded it with a TAG stamp to use in their higher end C.O.S.C. certified watches, which come with certificates stating that they been tested such that the daily tolerance is between -4 and +6 seconds per day...
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    Re: TAG movements

    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboy Bebop View Post
    This article may be able to help some, The Valjoux 7750 Chronograph - Part 1 - TimeZone, the 7750 is a robust design that has existed since 1974, any company could acquire and do whatever is needed to brand it as their own sometimes it is the instance where the rotor (i.e., the pendulum that winds the movement) is simply replaced with a TAG Heuer, etc... stamped rotor and others a minor change to the movement that causes it to be 'based' of the 7750... I'm not good about movements but it's just what I've gather... Also, if you didn't know this already did you know that the new Carrera 1887 use a Seiko based movement that TAG Heuer was able to acquire and modify to their liking? The same is true for the Calibre 36, it was made by Zenith (El Primero) and TAG acquired this movement and branded it with a TAG stamp to use in their higher end C.O.S.C. certified watches, which come with certificates stating that they been tested such that the daily tolerance is between -4 and +6 seconds per day...
    Thanks!

    But still i have a question:

    What if watchmakers make useful adjustments to THE 7750 movement, how can we tell?
    I've read in fora about comparisons with Hamilton models, because Hamilton offers you a decent watch for +/- $/€1000 with a 7750 movement in it.
    But to me that doesn't say anything yet, i only knowhow what movement the manufacturer uses; how can you tell the difference or find out what the exact grade is the manufacturer used for a specific timepiece / model?


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    Re: TAG movements

    Quote Originally Posted by catch View Post
    Thanks!

    But still i have a question:

    What if watchmakers make useful adjustments to THE 7750 movement, how can we tell?
    I've read in fora about comparisons with Hamilton models, because Hamilton offers you a decent watch for +/- $/€1000 with a 7750 movement in it.
    But to me that doesn't say anything yet, i only knowhow what movement the manufacturer uses; how can you tell the difference or find out what the exact grade is the manufacturer used for a specific timepiece / model?


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    That's a good question, I think simply it would be taking the watch apart and examining the pieces that they use... Going back to the certification of C.O.S.C. watches, I've heard that the company selects a parts that are considered exceptional and then they are tested to make sure you're getting a really great +/- window... Each company may have a version of their own grading system but that's something I'm not familiar with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboy Bebop View Post
    That's a good question, I think simply it would be taking the watch apart and examining the pieces that they use... Going back to the certification of C.O.S.C. watches, I've heard that the company selects a parts that are considered exceptional and then they are tested to make sure you're getting a really great +/- window... Each company may have a version of their own grading system but that's something I'm not familiar with.
    Again thanks.

    1. I hope it's indeed 'a good question', maybe someone else could help us out (?)
    2. I wasn't familiar with the Carrera calibre 36 thing; but even then, Zenith & TAG both are part of LVMH - that would mean that TAG actually used 'technology' from a sister company..

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    Quote Originally Posted by catch View Post
    Again thanks.

    1. I hope it's indeed 'a good question', maybe someone else could help us out (?)
    2. I wasn't familiar with the Carrera calibre 36 thing; but even then, Zenith & TAG both are part of LVMH - that would mean that TAG actually used 'technology' from a sister company..
    1. I hope it's indeed 'a good question', maybe someone else could help us out (?) => "I'm sure someone will be off help"

    2. I wasn't familiar with the Carrera calibre 36 thing; but even then, Zenith & TAG both are part of LVMH - that would mean that TAG actually used 'technology' from a sister company..=> "You're right indeed they are sister companies, also, did you know TAG has a C.O.S.C. certified (I believe it's a calibre 16 (7750)) Aquaracer (CAF5010 - I think, I know it has 5010, I don't recall the prefixes)? Now, imagine the difference between this version and the regular version Aquaracer (CAF2010 - same deal hear but the regular version ends with 2010)... they might be using some pretty premium parts to get it running in within the standard"
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    Quote Originally Posted by catch View Post
    I wasn't familiar with the Carrera calibre 36 thing; but even then, Zenith & TAG both are part of LVMH - that would mean that TAG actually used 'technology' from a sister company..

    I don't think it's that simple.
    While they are owned by the same parent group, I would imagine that they are still run pretty independently and that any use of another company's products are paid for, just as if it were a movement made by ETA. Just because the two different brands are both owned by LVMH, it doesn't mean there is 100% transparancy between them.

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    Re: TAG movements

    Finally managed to get some acceptable photos of the case back of the 1887.
    The glass makes it really difficult to photo cleanly without a proper studio set up but here they are anyway.





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    Re: TAG movements

    Calibre 1

    Eta - Unitas 6498-1
    Which one?: The manual winding Carrera, REF: WV3010

    Calibre 2

    Eta 7001 (Hand wound Calibre)
    Which one?: The Monaco Sixty-nine.

    Calibre 3

    Eta 2000-1
    Which one?: Watches lady. Currently not used this movement.

    Calibre 4

    Eta 2671
    Which one?: Carrera lady size.

    Calibre 5

    Sellita SW200 and Eta 2824-2, or modifications to this as the Link 2834 double date at 12 and 6, or 2836-2, as in the Aquaracer double date at 3.
    Which one?: Aquaracer, Link and Carrera.

    Calibre 6

    Eta 2895-1
    Which one?: Link, Monaco.

    Calibre 6 RS

    ETA 2895-2
    Which one?: Grand Carrera.

    Calibre 7

    ETA 2892-A2
    Which one?: Link

    Calibre 7 GMT

    ETA 2993-2
    Which one?: Link and Carrera.

    Calibre 8 RS

    ETA 2992-A2 - TT651 Soprod
    Which one?: Grand Carrera GMT.

    Calibre 11 and Calibre 12

    Mechanism Base: ETA 2892-A2
    Chronograph module: Dubois Depraz

    Calibre 11: Dubois Depraz 2018, 2021, 2022
    Calibre 12: Dubois Depraz 2002, 2008, 2019

    Which one?: Autavia, Silverstone and Monaco. (Formerly also the race rider and any other chronograph, although this was not exactly the same movement, in fact, the only thing they share is the name. The mechanism was not an ETA base, was a Büren automatic micro-rotor, the famous Chronomatic *)

    * Chronomatic

    Base Mechanism: Caliber 1280 Büren "INTRAmatic."
    Chronograph module: Dubois Depraz 8510.

    Calibre 16 (Day-Date inc.)

    Eta 7750
    Which one?: Aquaracer, Link and Carrera.

    Calibre 17 and 17 RS

    Eta 2894-2
    Which one?: In the Grand Carrera Chron.(17RS). Too in Monza and Monaco Chron.(17) the previous reference until 2007. (CW2xxx)

    Calibre 24 or Calibre 312

    Eta 2892-A2 + Chronograph module Dubois Depraz GMT
    Which one?: Link WJF2115

    Calibre 36

    Zenith "El Primero" 400 (Modified in Grand Carrera RS*)
    Which one?: Some Link, Monza (El Primero 400 without modification). Currently, the Grand Carrera Caliper and Monaco C.36 Twenty Four concept. (Modified)

    * Modification: There are 42 pieces that are different from the Calibre 36 to "El Primero" 400.

    Calibre 60

    Mechanism base: ETA 2892-2
    Chronograph module: Dubois Depraz 2073
    Which one?: Aquagraph.

    Calibre 360

    Mechanism base: ETA 2892-2
    Chronograph module: 360 by TAG Heuer.
    Which one?: Limited Series of Carrera and concepts such as the Monaco 360.

    Calibre S

    Manufacturing electromechanical mechanism S.
    Which one?: Formula 1, Link, Aquaracer, Carrera and SLR.

    Calibre Microtimer

    Calibre HR03
    Which one?: Monaco 69 and Microtimer (Digital)

    Calibre Chronotimer

    Eta 988-432
    Which one?: Aquaracer.

    Calibre V

    Movement manufactured V
    Which one?: The Monaco V4

    Calibre Mikrograph

    Movement manufactured Mikrograph (1/100 sec. mecanical - 360.000 b/h)
    Which one?: Mikrograph

    Calibre Mikrotimer

    Movement manufactured Mikrotimer ( 1/1000 sec. mecanical - 3.600.000 b/h)
    Which one?: Mikrotimer

    Calibre 1887

    Calibre 1887 (Produced In house by TAG Heuer based on TC78 by SII)
    Which one?: Carrera and 300 SLR.


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