How would you like the PanAm to look?

[tallguy]

In general, I'd like to see it in the same spirit as the Kingston. Take advantage of newer technologies, but remain faithful to the original design. With that said, here's the list:

- based on the 6542 - no crown guard case. I think the Kingston case and bracelet would actually be fine for this watch
- glossy black, gilt dial, with same lume choices as Kingston.
- roulette style date wheel
- gilt hands, 6542 style GMT hand with small triangle
- custom 6542-like crown, signed MKII
- acrylic crystal with cyclops, or if that's not possible, domed sapphire crystal without cyclops
- bi-directional 48 click bezel - i like bakelite for a material, though I doubt it's possible. I would rather see vintage colours employed in the bezel, where the blue is almost black, and the red is a very deep, bloody hue. I'd like to see a lumed bezel as well, i don't know if the 6542 had lumed numerals, or if just the triangle was lumed, but lume all around seems like the right way to do it.

this......or better yet, slap together your best guess Bill and make it available ASAP....you're practically guaranteed to sell them out no matter what and a lot of us would trust your judgement and taste in order to get something within a few months...

[Izzy]

Nicely put Charlie! I agree with you, droping the GMT movement will save a lot of time and heart ache....

[tmoris]

Ok, I think I'll weigh in here, too. First off, everybody remember that BECAUSE we had so much input into the Kingston's design and BECAUSE there were so many options/variations in MkII's final product, we added a solid year to the delivery time (accompanied by an auful lot of frustrated MkII fans). If you want to keep this more managable, give Bill the option to have "less options": it's gonna be a great watch regardless of the final configuration/s.

I'd say, make two models available: the Pan-America, a white dial, with black lettering and surrounds for the lume, with a pepsi "acrylic-like" bezel, roulette date wheel (with a cyclops with at least 2.5x magnification:otherwise, don't bother), red GMT hand. This is the "homage" to the PanAm executive model which - unless you're prepared to drop six-figures for a watch - is the closest any of us will come to this iconic configuration.

The second version is a black matte dial with gilded lettering and lume surrounds, coke "acrylic-like" bezel, and the same red gmt hand. This would be an homage to the "Pussy Galore" GMT worn by Honor Blackman in Goldfinger, and could be referred to, simply, as the "IMBD" ("I must be dreaming": Connery's quote upon hearing Pussy's name for the first time).

Both watches would share the already spec'd for manufaturing Kingston case AND rivited bracelet (the work is done already, and shaves more than 6 months off the delivery time), a smaller winding crown with MkII logo, a caseback that shows the globe with the MkII logo superimposed over it, the red GMT hand and the crystal with cyclops.

Bill's development would be:
a: source a GMT movement, although I'm very happy with the one in the LRRP
b: design a single new crown
c: work out the crystal/cyclops issue - no small feat if its going to be done right
d: draw up the spec's for the dials: the Black ones will take longer to make, so white dials get delivered first
e: work out the bezel, again no small feat. acrylic would be the grail, but may prove just too difficult to get done right.

This is no small project, so I would be happy if there were just two choices. Heck, I might even buy them both. But the key here is to not have a huge menu of options. If Bill doesn't have to source the new GMT movement, this project could be completed with 12 months from the time it finally gets off the board, because of the fact that the case and bracelet specs are already with the manufacturers. Whatever the configuration, I'm in!

could you please post pics of the two?

[BigHaole]

How does the GMT movement in the LRRP function?

I like the two simple configuration approach, but I would offer one adjustment, which would be in the spirit of the GMT Master. Produce a set of bezel inserts (Coke, Pepsi, Blue, Black) and allow buyers to purchase the set. If they're made to the same specs, but in different colors, I would hope the added cost would be small and I think many of us would happily pay an extra fee for the full set.

[BigHaole]

Oh, and the nice people at IMDB.com might take issue with us using that name.

[Eric 0]

I like both these configurations, and your logic about fewer options reducing burden is excellent. I used to own a clothing company, and the more colors and options, the longer everything takes. The effect can be exponential.

I love "Pan-America" and would use it for both versions, since the the black watch, although worn by Pussy, was conceived and designed for PanAm pilots. It would also make production easier I imagine to have a single design for logo, name and indices. If 2 names are desired, I suggest "Zulu" for the black one, since it is still pilot and govt/militaryslang for GMT time, and the black watches were for pilots.

Also, if the cyclopses are factory installed in switzerland, I suggest all cyclops. If they are added individually by bill, I'd request a no cyclops option, since deleting that feature won't create a extra part number.

[Smeg]

The more I read 'Pan-America', the more I love it.... I'm convinced we've found our name!



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[Saxon007]

Pan-America is brilliant.

If you get desperate you could call the black dialed version the Pan-Europa.

[iCar]

Ok, I think I'll weigh in here, too. First off, everybody remember that BECAUSE we had so much input into the Kingston's design and BECAUSE there were so many options/variations in MkII's final product, we added a solid year to the delivery time (accompanied by an auful lot of frustrated MkII fans). If you want to keep this more managable, give Bill the option to have "less options": it's gonna be a great watch regardless of the final configuration/s.

I'd say, make two models available: the Pan-America, a white dial, with black lettering and surrounds for the lume, with a pepsi "acrylic-like" bezel, roulette date wheel (with a cyclops with at least 2.5x magnification:otherwise, don't bother), red GMT hand. This is the "homage" to the PanAm executive model which - unless you're prepared to drop six-figures for a watch - is the closest any of us will come to this iconic configuration.

The second version is a black matte dial with gilded lettering and lume surrounds, coke "acrylic-like" bezel, and the same red gmt hand. This would be an homage to the "Pussy Galore" GMT worn by Honor Blackman in Goldfinger, and could be referred to, simply, as the "IMBD" ("I must be dreaming": Connery's quote upon hearing Pussy's name for the first time).

Both watches would share the already spec'd for manufaturing Kingston case AND rivited bracelet (the work is done already, and shaves more than 6 months off the delivery time), a smaller winding crown with MkII logo, a caseback that shows the globe with the MkII logo superimposed over it, the red GMT hand and the crystal with cyclops.

Bill's development would be:
a: source a GMT movement, although I'm very happy with the one in the LRRP
b: design a single new crown
c: work out the crystal/cyclops issue - no small feat if its going to be done right
d: draw up the spec's for the dials: the Black ones will take longer to make, so white dials get delivered first
e: work out the bezel, again no small feat. acrylic would be the grail, but may prove just too difficult to get done right.

This is no small project, so I would be happy if there were just two choices. Heck, I might even buy them both. But the key here is to not have a huge menu of options. If Bill doesn't have to source the new GMT movement, this project could be completed with 12 months from the time it finally gets off the board, because of the fact that the case and bracelet specs are already with the manufacturers. Whatever the configuration, I'm in!

The two model idea is brilliant. The less options the better to avoid time delays. Or just let Bill design it. I trust his judgement.

Pan-America is brilliant.

If you get desperate you could call the black dialed version the Pan-Europa.

Pan-America and Pan-Europa sounds fantastic if there are two models.

[TheDude]

Been away a while.

Remember I'm #2 in line. :) :) :)


Definitely these end links - the ones you took photos of on my Red Sub.




I'm all for silver hands, matte black face (non-gilt). An all-blue bezel would be a dream since this is military. I know I have mentioned this in the past but the photo in an earlier post on the blue nato is striking. I also like the all red hand but I would be partial to a small arrow like the original.

SILVER- roulette wheel, and a cyclops would be killer to show it off. Open 6s and 9s.

I am torn about the bracelet. Rivets would be nice, but as long as it's tapered I'm fine.


Bezel and datewheel fonts are -critical-. These cannot look modern and must have the proper thickness. I am fine with aluminum inserts.