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    Thumbs Up Re: 3, 6, 9

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    Haha here it is guys - a touch under 10% larger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kywong View Post
    I really like the way the prototype looks, and judging by the discussion here since Bill posted the v3.1 prototype, the only remaining debates at this point seems to surround the circle Y and the font on the bezel and dial.

    While Bill works on the tricky part of the design, I came across this font for the 3, 6 and 9 on the dial which I think is very close to the original without being an exact copy, and works very well closed. What do you guys think?

    <img src="http://forums.watchuseek.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=820031"/>
    I hope that my comments are not extemporaneous.

    I really like better Pluto font for 3,6 & 9. Thanks for finding it. I suppose that bold version of Pluto would do a little better.

    All this said, I think that the importance of these numbers in our dial would deserve a graphical designer's work, taking it from Pluto (between normal and bold) and flatten the floor of the 9 and the 3, and the top of the 6, if I may suggest. We are not bound to use a standard font. Designers do this as part of a logotype designe everyday. This way we would be having a fully owned 3, 6 & 9, that could even be registered. I don't think this would be too costly.

    My modest opinion.

    Great work, in any case. I don't participate much due to ignorance, not to lack of interest.

    Thanks!

    I am linking the image on 1st post of this thread, to make it easier to see th enumbers we were talking about at that time. Numbers look thicker and larger (slightly), and have a flattened top/bottom

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    Re: 3, 6, 9

    Very nice font on the numbers!!! Love the balance their rounded nature works with each other.

    However, is it me or does the triangle 12 o'clock marker look bigger too than previous versions? A little too big, maybe.

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    Re: 3, 6, 9

    Quote Originally Posted by pinchoff View Post
    All this said, I think that the importance of these numbers in our dial would deserve a graphical designer's work, taking it from Pluto (between normal and bold) and flatten the floor of the 9 and the 3, and the top of the 6, if I may suggest. We are not bound to use a standard font. Designers do this as part of a logotype designe everyday. This way we would be having a fully owned 3, 6 & 9, that could even be registered. I don't think this would be too costly.
    I agree that a graphic designer's work would be ideal, but having never been involved in a watch project, I'm not 100% sure if that is usually the case. Seeing the positive feedback Pluto has received so far, at least I think it would be safe to say that it puts us on the right track. In terms of modifications, personally I think the top and bottom of the 3 could curve inwards more, similar to the 9 and 6.

    While the PRS-14 is a great homage to the Seamaster 300, I think that in some of the details it misses the mark, and we should also base this project on the original rather than the PRS-14. From what I have seen of the original, the font is not quite as thick or big as the photo above - the 9 and 6 aligning perfectly with 14/16 and 44/46 minute markers.

    Quote Originally Posted by HJR View Post
    However, is it me or does the triangle 12 o'clock marker look bigger too than previous versions? A little too big, maybe.
    I didn't touch it! I may have sneakily removed the circle Y though... The big triangle should align with the 58 and 2 minute markers, and fall about 2/5 down towards the centre of the dial. The current prototype looks just about right to me as far as accuracy goes, from a design balance perspective, however, well that is up for debate.
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    Re: 3, 6, 9

    Quote Originally Posted by kywong View Post
    I didn't touch it! I may have sneakily removed the circle Y though... The big triangle should align with the 58 and 2 minute markers, and fall about 2/5 down towards the centre of the dial. The current prototype looks just about right to me as far as accuracy goes, from a design balance perspective, however, well that is up for debate.
    Fair enough, must have just been my eyes playing games with me. BTW, I don't mind the missing circle-Y. Must be why I didn't notice it missing. Haha!

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    Re: 3, 6, 9

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    BTW, I don't mind the missing circle-Y. Must be why I didn't notice it missing. Haha!
    +1 My sentiment, exactly!!

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    Re: 3, 6, 9

    Quote Originally Posted by kywong View Post
    In terms of modifications, personally I think the top and bottom of the 3 could curve inwards more, similar to the 9 and 6.
    +1. This mod would get even closer to ideal IMHO.
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    Re: 3, 6, 9

    This isn't the first draft (hence v3.8) but it's the first presentable draft. It's a pretty tedious iterative process but I thought I should show you guys something while you talk about the dial. There is still a lot more to do for the side view. Plus the 3 o'clock side is not the same as the 9 o'clock view and only a few parts of the 9 o'clock view can be mirrored over to the 3 o'clock view.

    Please continue to discuss the dial. I will catch up later this week on the discussion. If this post side-tracks the dial discussion too much I will move it to its own thread.
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    Re: 3, 6, 9

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    .... the 3 o'clock side is not the same as the 9 o'clock view and only a few parts of the 9 o'clock view can be mirrored over to the 3 o'clock view ....
    Thanks for sharing this, Bill. I know how difficult it is to show "stuff"in its infancy and designers, engineers and artists alike have a tendency to keep things close to their chest till they are final.

    Can you, time permitted, elaborate on the 3 o'clock vs 9 o'clock "issue"? Is it similar to, e.g. Omega's Speedmaster Professional? That watch has an asymmetric case and more "meat' is required on the side with the crown and pushers (3 o'clock) to give the case enough strength. Which, by the way, wasn't the case with the very first Speedmasters and is being repeated in the "Schirra Speedy / First in Space Speedmaster"that's about to hit AD's as we speak.

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    Re: Project 300: Dial design (thread reboot)

    Bill, thanks for the latest update. It looks really promising, but just a slight nit to pick.

    Please bear with me, as I don't know the accuracy that these understandably progress images are meant to have, but looking at the image you posted, the lugs felt a little "bulky". So I looked at the modern Seamaster on my wrist and it is a little less "square" at the ends (see web pic, sorry about crown side, not many seamaster side views from the non-crown side):
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    Then looking at vintage SM300's on the web. I found this:
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    So I felt that the profile should be less "squared", like this:
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    Sorry if I went to far with the comments, like I mentioned I am new to this and an absolutely ignorant to to the art and process of watchmaking, other than the little bit of knowledge I have developed as a fan of the products of the artists, such as yourself.

    All the best,
    Haz
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