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    Re: Project 300: Dial design (thread reboot)

    Oops, sorry about dragging my speedmaster pic in there by mistake. I guess I am ignorant about posting on forums as well, HAHA!!!

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    I will be back this evening to review this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MHe225
    Thanks for sharing this, Bill. I know how difficult it is to show "stuff"in its infancy and designers, engineers and artists alike have a tendency to keep things close to their chest till they are final.

    Can you, time permitted, elaborate on the 3 o'clock vs 9 o'clock "issue"? Is it similar to, e.g. Omega's Speedmaster Professional? That watch has an asymmetric case and more "meat' is required on the side with the crown and pushers (3 o'clock) to give the case enough strength. Which, by the way, wasn't the case with the very first Speedmasters and is being repeated in the "Schirra Speedy / First in Space Speedmaster"that's about to hit AD's as we speak.

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    I hope I can explain this clearly. Since the crown guards are part of the shape of the lugs as the line of that side extends away from the case the curves of the saltines section change. Creating these compound curves is time consuming and mostly an iterative process. There are some more details that are also different. I hope that helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HJR
    Bill, thanks for the latest update. It looks really promising, but just a slight nit to pick.

    Please bear with me, as I don't know the accuracy that these understandably progress images are meant to have, but looking at the image you posted, the lugs felt a little "bulky". So I looked at the modern Seamaster on my wrist and it is a little less "square" at the ends (see web pic, sorry about crown side, not many seamaster side views from the non-crown side):
    <img src="http://forums.watchuseek.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=830324"/>
    Then looking at vintage SM300's on the web. I found this:
    <img src="http://forums.watchuseek.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=830328"/>

    So I felt that the profile should be less "squared", like this:
    <img src="http://forums.watchuseek.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=830331"/>

    Sorry if I went to far with the comments, like I mentioned I am new to this and an absolutely ignorant to to the art and process of watchmaking, other than the little bit of knowledge I have developed as a fan of the products of the artists, such as yourself.

    All the best,
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    This is great info and I appreciate the time you put into this. There is a great deal of variance in the side profile of the case. Much of this is because of polishing done to the cases over the year. Some of the other variance I have to think is down to production variances. I am working from an NOS case that, theoretically, hasn't been polished before. I will see what I can do to change the line to make the case appear lighter and thinner. I do actually like some of the polished cases and the profiles they develop.

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    Re: Project 300: Dial design (thread reboot)

    I would like to see a simple version with date and no numbers, like this photoshopped attachment. I have also made the 12 o'clock lume triangle smaller - which looks less overpowering.
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    Re: Project 300: Dial design (thread reboot)

    Quote Originally Posted by Auswatch View Post
    I would like to see a simple version with date and no numbers, like this photoshopped attachment. I have also made the 12 o'clock lume triangle smaller - which looks less overpowering.
    Its an interesting idea and looks promising but the standard dial will stick closer to the original.

    As far as the Pluto font is concerned I think it looks great. I would like to modify the "3" a little though. Its a little too "rough".
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    Re: Project 300: Dial design (thread reboot)

    Quote Originally Posted by Yao View Post
    I hope I can explain this clearly. Since the crown guards are part of the shape of the lugs as the line of that side extends away from the case the curves of the saltines section change. Creating these compound curves is time consuming and mostly an iterative process. There are some more details that are also different. I hope that helps.
    This pic I took a few minutes ago probably illustrates the difficulty of the task better than my words. as you can see the lugs start from the same point but as you get to the middle the profile changes dramatically. The right side of the case is actually lower than the left.
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    Re: Project 300: Dial design (thread reboot)

    Quote Originally Posted by Yao View Post
    This pic I took a few minutes ago probably illustrates the difficulty of the task better than my words. as you can see the lugs start from the same point but as you get to the middle the profile changes dramatically. The right side of the case is actually lower than the left.
    (Yes, this does illustrate it....)

    I see it now!

    As they say, "A picture is worth 10,000 words."

    (-Completely different profiles and thickness (or depth?) of that portion on the crown side of the case that forms the crown guards -)

    Thank you for your work, Bill.

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    Great pic Bill! That is a wonderful detail to see.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yao View Post
    This pic I took a few minutes ago probably illustrates the difficulty of the task better than my words. as you can see the lugs start from the same point but as you get to the middle the profile changes dramatically. The right side of the case is actually lower than the left.

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    Re: Project 300: Dial design (thread reboot)

    Thanks Bill, that indeed illustrates the problem perfectly.

    Seems like the discussion has shifted towards to case; my first reaction was that the lugs look a little short, that being said, I also thought the lugs looked too thick in the front-view mockup, and now I think they look just right (after taking into account the perspective distortion in every photo I'd have seen of the actual watch). Also, I'd love to see a bigger dome, but I understand there are going to be technical difficulties associated with that.

    I also like some of the thinner, polished cases but I would prefer if we go off the NOS. That way, fifty years from now we'll see Project 300 watches that are polished in the same way these Seamaster 300s we see now are.

    As usual, I will never be able to fully appreciate the amount of work and difficulty this would undoubtedly involve, so thanks Bill!

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