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    Re: Recommendation / Thoughts for Flieger Klassik 6498 small second vs 6497 Anniversary Edition

    Since there is no historical watch like this it is difficult to determine whether the sub dial and hand will be lumed.

    There are examples of lumed and non-lumed (white) markers on the same dial. The one that comes to mind immediately are the B dial watches, the originals only had the even minute numerals lumed so as they aged the odd and hour numerals stayed more or less white while the others changed color as the radium degraded. Laco has incorporated this into their recently released Erbstück watches. Note the color variation between the numerals.

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    Re: Recommendation / Thoughts for Flieger Klassik 6498 small second vs 6497 Anniversary Edition

    Thanks Saxon007, not sure if they'll use old radium color for the sub dial markings, but it'd make sense to me to have same / similar color with the hours markers

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    Re: Recommendation / Thoughts for Flieger Klassik 6498 small second vs 6497 Anniversary Edition

    Can anyone explain what the actual difference is between the 6498 and 6497 and why each one has been used? Why wouldn't they use the same movement for both? Is one better than the other. If the 6498 can't be hacked is this a lesser of the two?
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    Re: Recommendation / Thoughts for Flieger Klassik 6498 small second vs 6497 Anniversary Edition

    The main difference is the position of the small second (6 vs 9). They were used in pocket watches and hunter case pocket watches.
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    Re: Recommendation / Thoughts for Flieger Klassik 6498 small second vs 6497 Anniversary Edition

    One was serving the Lepine pocket watches, the other the Savonette type. One is called the 6 eater, the other the 9 eater. Slightly different construction., that's all. The 6497-1, 6498-1 beat at 18.000 b/h, the -2 beat at a higher rate, 21.600.
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    Re: Recommendation / Thoughts for Flieger Klassik 6498 small second vs 6497 Anniversary Edition

    Thanks Mike for that. Are the -1 and -2 simply variations of the movement? How does this relate to the movements stowa are using for their anniversary edition. And also, if they are both so similar does that mean they both hack? Thanks again

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    Re: Recommendation / Thoughts for Flieger Klassik 6498 small second vs 6497 Anniversary Edition

    I suppose Joerg will be using -2 mvts. They are only differing from -1 mvts. in their beating rate - as Mike wrote already.



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    Re: Recommendation / Thoughts for Flieger Klassik 6498 small second vs 6497 Anniversary Edition

    Variations ? Hmmmm. Basically yes.

    Eta 6497-1 and Eta 6498-1 = 18000 b/h = 2,5Hz.
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    Eta 6497-2 and Eta 6498-2= 21600A/h = 3Hz.
    Grades: Top and Chronomètre only.
    Finish: none to whatever you want
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    Spring:Nivaflex NO with more power reserve (53)
    Shock protection: Incabloc, polished, angled
    Hebesteine: roter Rubin
    Balance: Glucydur, gold plated
    Spring: Anachron

    Both do not hack but adding the hacking feature is "just adding a simple steel lever, pivoting on a shouldered clickspring, actuated by a small, weak spring" as a TZ member once described it.
    The Stowa FLO with central seconds hand had also a hacking feature. Not sure what the 90th anniversary type of Unitas movements will feature. Email Stowa and you are in the know.
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    Re: Recommendation / Thoughts for Flieger Klassik 6498 small second vs 6497 Anniversary Edition

    Let's hope this is not the design. I really hate inconsistent markers' color. Higher end brands always have the color consistent, even if some markers are lumed some are not.

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    I am guessing it will look similar to this. I left the sub dial markings and hand white since they are not (to my knowledge) lumed.

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    Re: Recommendation / Thoughts for Flieger Klassik 6498 small second vs 6497 Anniversary Edition

    Quote Originally Posted by diablogt View Post
    Let's hope this is not the design. I really hate inconsistent markers' color. Higher end brands always have the color consistent, even if some markers are lumed some are not.
    The old radium lume is meant to resemble aged lume. It ages to that color while ordinary paint stays the same color. It would not make sense to have the non-lumed components the same color as the lumed indices.

    The vintage watches shown below display the color changes between the lumed and non-lumed paint. The Speedmasters are an original CK2915 from the late 1950's and the new/non-vintage 60th anniversary edition which has yet to be released.

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