Patek Philippe Nautilus vs. Audemars Piguet Royal Oak

[telackey]

Royal Oak for me, by a nose. The bracelet helps tip the scales in its favor. I think it is a slightly more "put together" package than the Nautilus.

[EvilBendy]

I prefer the nautilus in blue and the ro in white...


Current Collection:

Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Offshore Rubberclad
A Lange Sohne Lange 1 Platinum
Jaeger LeCoultre AMVOX II DBS
IWC Portuguese Automatic
BR 01-94 Phantom XXX/50
Rolex Deep Sea Seadweller 2012
Rolex Double Red Seadweller 1976
Rolex Everrose Gold Daytona (black dial)
Patek Philippe SS Nautilus

[Tick Talk]

In terms of genetics, the Royal Oak and Nautilus not only shared a designer, but also movements for a period. Along with the (non-Genta) Vacheron Constantin 222, they all originally housed versions of the JLC 920 caliber. AP and VC have never stopped using this superb ultra-thin automatic and within the last few years both have brought its manufacture in-house. IMHO, VC can't bring out an Overseas model with the 1120 caliber soon enough...

[mleok]

In terms of genetics, the Royal Oak and Nautilus not only shared a designer, but also movements for a period. Along with the (non-Genta) Vacheron Constantin 222, they all originally housed versions of the JLC 920 caliber. AP and VC have never stopped using this superb ultra-thin automatic and within the last few years both have brought its manufacture in-house. IMHO, VC can't bring out an Overseas model with the 1120 caliber soon enough...

The JLC 920 calibre is such a pretty ultra-thin movement, and the rail system for the rotor is quite exceptional. With the exception of the Historiques Ultra-fine 1968, and limited edition Excellence Platine Patrimony Contemporaine, Vacheron only uses the VC 1120 as a base movement for more complicated watches.

http://vacheron.watchprosite.com/sho...ost/ti-742103/



While I would love to see a VC Overseas with the 1120, I shudder to think what Vacheron will charge for it.

[Tick Talk]

AP's own ultra-thin dress watch, with their now in-house 2120 in a gold case, is available under $20k. For VC, a $5k surcharge over their "standard" movement steel Overseas would seem reasonable.

[EvilBendy]

Here's mine...


Current Collection:

Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Offshore Rubberclad
A Lange Sohne Lange 1 Platinum
Jaeger LeCoultre AMVOX II DBS
IWC Portuguese Automatic
BR 01-94 Phantom XXX/50
Rolex Deep Sea Seadweller 2012
Rolex Double Red Seadweller 1976
Rolex Everrose Gold Daytona (black dial)
Patek Philippe SS Nautilus

[samanator]

For me the PP Nautilus is it. Primarily the version with the moonphase. I think I would have to just stop there if I got one and walk away from looking at other watches

[EvilBendy]

Ok well today it's this one... I guess I flip back and forth ;)




Current Collection:

Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Offshore Rubberclad
A Lange Sohne Lange 1 Platinum
Jaeger LeCoultre AMVOX II DBS
BR 01-94 Phantom XXX/500
Rolex Double Red Seadweller 1976
Rolex Everrose Gold Daytona (black dial)
Patek Philippe SS Nautilus
Audemars Piguet ROO Rubens Barrichello II titanium

[craniotes]

AP's own ultra-thin dress watch, with their now in-house 2120 in a gold case, is available under $20k. For VC, a $5k surcharge over their "standard" movement steel Overseas would seem reasonable.

Don't hold your breath; AP retained the exclusive rights to produce this movement after they sold JLC to Richemont and they're pretty particular about who else uses it and and in what capacity. For some odd reason I don't see them selling any more to VC above and beyond the few they provide for their complications, the Historique Ultra-fine and the extremely limited Platine (which is probably already sold out). To be honest, I'm surprised that they're still supplying any to Vacheron at all).

It's a pity, because this really is an amazingly gorgeous movement (http://people.timezone.com/library/h...86780396906210).

Regards,
Adam

[Tick Talk]

*My apologies to Adam and others for this error! A direct question yielded the response that components of the VC calibre 1120 are supplied by AP, then finished, assembled, regulated and cased in-house to meet the criteria for the Geneva Seal, which the VC 1120 movement achieves. This harkens back to the original partnership between JLC and V&C over the same movement. The wheels within wheels of the Swiss watch industry continue to amaze :-0

My friend, your facts are wrong! VC has the movement in production right now as you will see from the photo posted by mleok above. Please go to the VC website and confirm for yourself.

Don't hold your breath; AP retained the exclusive rights to produce this movement after they sold JLC to Richemont and they're pretty particular about who else uses it and and in what capacity. For some odd reason I don't see them selling any more to VC above and beyond the few they provide for their complications, the Historique Ultra-fine and the extremely limited Platine (which is probably already sold out). To be honest, I'm surprised that they're still supplying any to Vacheron at all).

It's a pity, because this really is an amazingly gorgeous movement (The Most Exclusive Automatic: The Vacheron Caliber 1120 - TimeZone).

Regards,
Adam