Project GMT: Name discussion

[White Tuna]

I just found out that you cannot type the name H1TL3R on this board.

[TheDude]

Youra hard peep, but I must say, had you noticed that those wonderful Malyel images that he created - did indeed have "names," proposed names on the dials.



Anyways, the design elements of the winding thingy your so bent about, will too likely be smaller, which I think would be wonderful as well.

The bigger winding thingys are just not necessary for this timepiece...

The one thing I hope isnt part of the formula is that cyclops; I hope it gets shoved right off the table !

Thanks,
Randy

Cheers. I did notice there were names on the dials, but the follow-up comments quickly turned into wish lists for dial and bezel combinations. You didn't feel the need to moderate the discussion then and curtail those comments. It didn't sit well with me that I was getting marshalled for a portion of a sentence that did something multiple posts did already (veer off topic).

I suspect maybe you responded that way because perhaps you thought my comment was being directed at you since you had a big crown on your image. Again, my remark was not directed at you.

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[TheDude]

Regarding Havana...

I am an American who has been there four times for government sanctioned work. Too many Americans romanticize Cuba (which is much easier to do if you haven't been there). The people endure unspeakable hardships and they're oppressed and exploited in every conceivable way.

There is a difference between not knowing enough to decide if you care, and knowing the score but not caring.

Hey, Kony would look nice on a dial... :eek: (kidding)

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[TheDude]

This is a reasonable point about Castro and Guevara. I don't actually know anything about Rolexes, so excuse any lapse in my knowledge; a quick search indicates that Guevara's and Castro's Rolexes were actually ref. 1675s, with the crown guards. The Pan Am is to be based on the Kingston case and therefore a homage of the ref. 6542. It's a minor point, perhaps, but I imagine that only people who care about such minor points would be aware of the kind of watch Guevara and Castro wore in the first place. Not to mention that the Cuban revolution in fact neatly coincides with the end of ref. 6542 production. Or that the city of Havana has a history some 300 years preceding the overthrow of Batista.

I do rather like the ring of "Havana", especially (as others have said) with the root beer color scheme. As I've said, I think that your concerns are reasonable. But since many have voiced support for "Havana" and presumably many of those are Americans, it might be unfair to suggest that most "wouldn't be okay" with the name.

Of course, "Meridian" is still at the top of my list!

The photos are hard to make out but I have seen some that appear to be 6542. These guys owned watches before the revolution. They owned multiple watches, you can readily find images of Castro wearing two Rolexes on one wrist. I agree that the one purportedly taken from Che is a 1675.

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[ASRSPR]

Hey, Kony would look nice on a dial... :eek: (kidding)

Would that be a child-size model?

[cpotters]

Regarding Havana...

I am an American who has been there four times for government sanctioned work. Too many Americans romanticize Cuba (which is much easier to do if you haven't been there). The people endure unspeakable hardships and they're oppressed and exploited in every conceivable way.

There is a difference between not knowing enough to decide if you care, and knowing the score but not caring.

Dude:

When I suggested Havana, I was thinking of its more historical context, both fron the '30s AND it's overly romanticized atmosphere of the '50s when the GMT was first issued.

All of our associations with these watch names are, by definition, unrealistically romanticized (I look NOTHING like James Bond when I wear my Kingston: a huge disappointment to both my wife and I to be sure). I also am fully aware of the true associations that go along with other watches we know and love, like the Panerai PAM 369 (in the 3 years beginning June 10, 1940, when Fascist Italy entered World War II, the Decima Flottiglia MAS unit destroyed some 72,190 tons of Allied warships and 130,572 tons of Allied merchant ships, with tremendous loss of naval and marine personnel) and the B-Uhr/B-Uhren (supplied to the German Luftwaffe in 1940 just in time for the Blitzkrieg of France).

On the other hand, I was also thinking not only of what Havana was but what it might become: I probably have unrealistically high hopes for the Havana 20 years in the future, but I'm strangely optimistic that its people might see their hardships lessened, and they're oppression and exploitation come to an end. In that way, it was a nod to the Pan Am of the past, but also the Cuba of the past and the future. Definitely wasn't trying to offend or inflame, and as I said - respectfully - I'll leave the naming of this beast to the rest of you.

[TheDude]

Dude:

When I suggested Havana, I was thinking of its more historical context, both fron the '30s AND it's overly romanticized atmosphere of the '50s when the GMT was first issued.

All of our associations with these watch names are, by definition, unrealistically romanticized (I look NOTHING like James Bond when I wear my Kingston: a huge disappointment to both my wife and I to be sure). I also am fully aware of the true associations that go along with other watches we know and love, like the Panerai PAM 369 (in the 3 years beginning June 10, 1940, when Fascist Italy entered World War II, the Decima Flottiglia MAS unit destroyed some 72,190 tons of Allied warships and 130,572 tons of Allied merchant ships, with tremendous loss of naval and marine personnel) and the B-Uhr/B-Uhren (supplied to the German Luftwaffe in 1940 just in time for the Blitzkrieg of France).

On the other hand, I was also thinking not only of what Havana was but what it might become: I probably have unrealistically high hopes for the Havana 20 years in the future, but I'm strangely optimistic that its people might see their hardships lessened, and they're oppression and exploitation come to an end. In that way, it was a nod to the Pan Am of the past, but also the Cuba of the past and the future. Definitely wasn't trying to offend or inflame, and as I said - respectfully - I'll leave the naming of this beast to the rest of you.

I like the name too, it just has inconvenient associations that I wanted to make sure everyone was aware of.

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[White Tuna]

I like the name too, it just has inconvenient associations that I wanted to make sure everyone was aware of.

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Yes, I have learned from you and your 4 government sanctioned trips to Havana that Havana = Castro = Konee = Let's prejudge all the people of Havana.

Of course Kingston Jamaica is all rainbows and unicorn farts.

[ASRSPR]

Yes, I have learned from you and your 4 government sanctioned trips to Havana that Havana = Castro = Konee = Let's prejudge all the people of Havana.

Of course Kingston Jamaica is all rainbows and unicorn farts.

I think this is an unfair characterization of what TheDude has said. Now that it's been pointed out that a potential connection may be incorrectly inferred, I'll suggest that we can probably move the discussion along in less political directions.

[White Tuna]

I think this is an unfair characterization of what TheDude has said. Now that it's been pointed out that a potential connection may be incorrectly inferred, I'll suggest that we can probably move the discussion along in less political directions.

Havana is not political unless you want it to be. There was a Havana before there was a Fidel Castro or communism. There is a lot of history in Havana and Hemingway spent a lot of time there.