Project GMT: Name discussion

[Neily_San]

Yes the name is owned now by another company.

Bill,

I fully understand that "PanAm" is off-limits. However has anyone run "PanAmerican" past the corporate lawyers ? I strongly suspect it would not be precluded by said copyright protection.

:-D

Neily

ps
If not, the definitely "Key West".
No offence intended to any, but I am afraid "Clipper" just doesn't float my boat. The natural association is too nautical rather than the required aeronautical.

[White Tuna]

Bill,

I fully understand that "PanAm" is off-limits. However has anyone run "PanAmerican" past the corporate lawyers ? I strongly suspect it would not be precluded by said copyright protection.

Who are you? Do you not understand that he just does not want to get into this? He has a lot to lose and they have very litte to invest to doit if they wish.

You run it by your legal team and make a watch with that name.

[OmegaCosmicMan]

Bill,

I fully understand that "PanAm" is off-limits. However has anyone run "PanAmerican" past the corporate lawyers ? I strongly suspect it would not be precluded by said copyright protection.

:-D

Neily

ps
If not, the definitely "Key West".
No offence intended to any, but I am afraid "Clipper" just doesn't float my boat. The natural association is too nautical rather than the required aeronautical.

Good one!

-You know, the need that drove the development of precision timekeeping arose during the sailing era - It was for navigation, trying to keep track of where you are so you can get to where you want to. Ironic, what? Navigation is navigation, and time zones are time zones, whether walking, driving, swimming, flying, or being shot across the sky in a rocket (ship).

[MHe225]

Yes the name PanAm* is owned now by another company.

Thanks for verifying / confirming, Bill. Not surprisingly, but we better check. My vote now goes to Key West

If you know the beautiful designs of Donald McKay for the very best American Clipper ships, and the graceful Cutty Sark and Thermopylae of sailing history, then you may gain some insight into why I feel this way. Look at images of the beautiful flying boat designs for Pan-American's trans-Atlantic and trans-Pacific travel of the late 1930's.

You learn something every day .... when I hear Thermopylae I think of Leonidas versus Xerxes in the Battle of Thermopylae (480 BC). I clearly remember reading about this battle (in ancient Greek, no less) but didn't recall the details. The Thermopylae Clippers are new to me and beautiful indeed - Google results showed gorgeous pictures. Personally, I don't like the name Thermopylae for this watch

RonB

Project 300 - $350 deposit paid 27 months ago and counting .....
GO Kingston - $350 deposit paid 24 months ago and $585 remainder 12 months ago and counting .....
Project GMT - $600 deposit paid almost 5 months ago and counting .....

* edit: PanAm added to original post

[OmegaCosmicMan]

Thanks for verifying / confirming, Bill. Not surprisingly, but we better check. My vote now goes to Key West


You learn something every day .... when I hear Thermopylae I think of Leonidas versus Xerxes in the Battle of Thermopylae (480 BC). I clearly remember reading about this battle (in ancient Greek, no less) but didn't recall the details. The Thermopylae Clippers are new to me and beautiful indeed - Google results showed gorgeous pictures. Personally, I don't like the name Thermopylae for this watch

RonB

Project 300 - $350 deposit paid 27 months ago and counting .....
GO Kingston - $350 deposit paid 24 months ago and $585 remainder 12 months ago and counting .....
Project GMT - $600 deposit paid almost 5 months ago and counting .....

* edit: PanAm added to original post

Actually, I was advocating the "Clipper" name, (not Thermopylae specifically). I was trying to use the examples of great old ships to show how they are related to world travel. The need and development of precise timekeeping in the 16-1700's made possible the exploration and travel to new lands from Europe, so this notion of world travel is the foundation for world travel as we know it today. The speed of world travel increased rapidly with the advent of widespread travel by air, during the 1930's-1940's, and continued to increase in the jet age (1957-58 on) causing the need for a wristwatch with a GMT complication to be functionally useful, maybe even a necessity for aircrew.

Pan American Airways, as a tradition, starting naming their flying boat aircraft with clipper names at least before the 1940's, example Pacific Clipper, Atlantic Clipper and so on. Flying boats, or airplanes that must take off and land from water, were the only practical way to advance air travel, because on-land runway facilities that were large enough to handle these large aircraft hadn't been developed yet in many places. So perhaps the tie or links in '_Clipper' between the golden age of sail and the new age of intercontinental, trans-ocean travel is related to these facts. And from the early days of aviation through the golden age of the propeller transport aircraft to the rocket age, these have been referred to as 'ships' as in 'rocket ship' - (okay I went on too long)....but the point is world travel as we know and experience it today started on the oceans. So whether we choose to acknowledge it or not, world travel has a nautical origin. That is all.

This all may be irrelevant if Bill says we can't use the 'Clipper' name for this project. If that ends up being true, then I suppose 'Key West' would get my vote over the alternatives put forth so far - considering the notion of world travel, Key West is just one spot on the world. It is not a bad place, certainly evokes some aspect of an exotic destination, but it doesn't bring forth the globe-spanning notion of world travel for me.

Thank you for your patience and understanding ...

[G-Junkie]

How does "MKII GMT Wayfarer" sound to the members here? Since the history of the watch is based on traveling, I figured to simply find a name that means the same could work.

[Dragoon]

At this point, I favor 'HAVANA" or "Key West" but if there is a particular name anyone or a significant group would like I am open to that name also.

Or perhaps just put "gmt" on the dial around the depth rating above the 6 positiion.

Or Perhaps we should leave the name off the dial and just put it on the case back so we can get along with the details of the watch post haste.

[enkidu]

I'm surprised the "Zulu Master" hasn't been suggested. I could live with "Key West" and will give another shout out to "Montego".

[ljb187]

Since I specialize in impractical ideas, what about this one: Have three different dial/bezel combinations all part of the same series. Call the watch series MKll GMT...or whatever...then assign distinct names to each flavor. For example:

White dial/Pepsi insert: The MKll Key West
Brown dial/Coke insert: The MKll Havana
Black dial/black insert: The MKll Navigator (just came up with that one)

Each watch has its own personality, why not give each one its own suitable handle? I don't know what the extra cost would be, but would folks be willing to pony-up an additional $25 or $50 to get this watch with the color and name combinations they like best? "MKll GMT" could go on the top half of the dial while the unique moniker could go on the bottom half.

[STEELINOX]

Z - GMT .

[haven't had my coffee yet]