Any VCM fans got a spare 6000 RMB?
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    Any VCM fans got a spare 6000 RMB?

    Somebody is selling on Taobao 136 pages of original Nanjing Watch Factory technical documentation for the SN2 movement!
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    Re: Any VCM fans got a spare 6000 RMB?

    I'll pitch in $20 to the collective effort.
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    Re: Any VCM fans got a spare 6000 RMB?

    That certainly not something you see every day.
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    Re: Any VCM fans got a spare 6000 RMB?

    Quote Originally Posted by gigfy
    I'll pitch in $20 to the collective effort.
    +1 eh, make that +$20.

    Just let me know if, when, where and how

    If the collective we can raise the funds (only 50 people pitching in $20 / 100 people pitching in $10 .... you get the idea) then we could purchase these documents and next donate them to Ron / AlbertaTime / Alberta Museum of Chinese Horology in Peace River (AMCH/PR) 中国手表博物馆,皮斯里弗,艾伯塔省

    What do you all say?

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    Re: Any VCM fans got a spare 6000 RMB?

    I'm in with $20.

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    Re: Any VCM fans got a spare 6000 RMB?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chascomm View Post
    That certainly not something you see every day.
    The price is too high IMHO. There is a professional magazine-- " Watch & Clock"(钟表) that contains some real professional technical articles. The magazine was for internal circulation only. Sometimes you can find old copies of 1970's on flea markets for much lower price, and you can get a glimpse of early Chinese watch industry.

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    Re: Any VCM fans got a spare 6000 RMB?

    I am in with $20 in principle, but I will be very surprised if we can find enough people who are that interested in buying this.

    Something I have been very curious about since I learned you could get technical manuals off Taobao (Ron has a few) is the copyright status of these things. As I understand it from reading various articles around the web, China essentially had nothing resembling Western intellectual property laws until the 1980s (and even now that it has them, they are not necessarily enforced as they would be in the rest of the world. As an aside, folks interested in electronics hardware might enjoy this article about "gongkai"). The laws exist now, but I do not know if they have been extended retroactively, i.e. is everything published in China during the 1970s effectively in the public domain, since copyright did not exist in 1970s China? Or did the state inherit copyright on everything published before the laws were introduced? Or have individual content creators been allowed to register for copyright of their old works on a case by case basis? I haven't been able to find a straight answer to these sorts of questions in my limited searching yet.

    It's pretty clear where I'm going with this: I think a lot more people would be willing to chip in on a collective effort to buy things like this if we knew there would be no legal obstacle to every page being scanned at high resolution and freely published at the AMCHPR or Chinese Watch Wiki or some other appropriate venue. IMHO there could be no moral obstacle to doing this - we are talking about tech specs for a discontinued, obsolete product with no commercial viability in the present day, published by a factory which was owned and funded by a national government with a very strong socialist agenda. Publishing the specs "for the people" would not harm anybody's livelhood in the slightest and would only bring joy to we few weirdos who still care about these little mechanical snowflakes. But morality and legality frequently diverge, so who knows.
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