Opinions on the Seiko Marine Master 300

[carsmovies]

imo the MM compares very well to the PO. see my post in this thread:

http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthr...27084#poststop

whenever PO owners or fans ask if the MM is worth the money, i would rather pose the question to them: is the PO worth the money since it is around $1000 more than the seamaster 300m pro and the only thing you're getting is a co-axial movement (i'm still a little skeptical on the benefits of the co-axial as it's not been around long enough for significant ownership feedback experience) and a larger case.

the way i look at it, you can send a MM to IWW for a sapphire crystal replacement and regulation and the end result would be, (again, my opinion) a better piece than the PO and still have some money in your pocket.

you can buy a new MM for around $2000, a pre-owned for around $1400.

to those who don't think the MM is worth the money, list the divers you can get new and pre-owned at those price points that you'd would say are better...i'd love to see your picks.

I don't think anyone is saying that quality wise the MM isn't as good as say an Omega SMP or PO. I'm just saying that it's image and lack of features don't justify it being in the same price category.

[Crue4]

While Denizen asks the question whether the Omega PO is $1000 better than the SMP... the same can be said about is the MM $1500 better than the Sumo or $800 better than the Orient Star 300m......

I am not trying to bash the MM just stating my view on it... I just don't think the MM for me is nearly as nice as the Stowa PD, Orient Star 300m, and others that are substantially lower price points..

[Denizen]

I'm just saying that it's image and lack of features don't justify it being in the same price category.

image is rather subjective (in certain circles Seiko divers are as highly respected as any big-name Swiss diver) so i don't think we'll be able to intelligently debate that aspect. as for features, that can be objectively compared.

$2000 new, $1400 pre-owned...what watches would you say had features comparably as good as the MM - high grade in-house movement. and the level of workmanship evident in the case, hands, etc?

[vintagewatchfiend]

"I'm just saying that it's image and lack of features don't justify it being in the same price category."

"Image" is a ridiculous reason to buy ANYTHING.
Make an informed decision based on facts. Whether it's "worth the price" is subject because one man's "grail" is another man's "beater".

The features, looks and especially how it feels on your wrist and whether it makes a connection or not with you personally, are all factors that I use to make my decisions. Sometimes watches just speak to me and my mind is made up. Now whether I can afford that love affair is another question

All that being said, while I LOVE the PO, and have it on my "must have" list, I would just as easily buy the MM before I bought the PO.

[Denizen]

While Denizen asks the question whether the Omega PO is $1000 better than the SMP... the same can be said about is the MM $1500 better than the Sumo or $800 better than the Orient Star 300m......

I am not trying to bash the MM just stating my view on it... I just don't think the MM for me is nearly as nice as the Stowa PD, Orient Star 300m, and others that are substantially lower price points..

it's always difficult to weigh the 'benefits' when you move up the scale in price point such as the Sumo compared to the MM because you start to pay more for 'intangibles' such as skilled assembly/labor cost, movement cost, level of finishing, etc. even styling even comes into play because a manufacturer will not make two models that sell at such different price points and have them look similar.

i'd still like to know what your picks would be in watches that you think compare similarily to the MM at the price points i mentioned.

[Fatpants]

Looks awesome bead-blasted

[carsmovies]

"Image" is a ridiculous reason to buy ANYTHING.
Make an informed decision based on facts. Whether it's "worth the price" is subject because one man's "grail" is another man's "beater".

The features, looks and especially how it feels on your wrist and whether it makes a connection or not with you personally, are all factors that I use to make my decisions. Sometimes watches just speak to me and my mind is made up. Now whether I can afford that love affair is another question

All that being said, while I LOVE the PO, and have it on my "must have" list, I would just as easily buy the MM before I bought the PO.

"Image" maybe a ridiculous reason to buy a watch to some but it's what makes most watches worth their very high price points. Rolex is a prime example.

[Crue4]

it's always difficult to weigh the 'benefits' when you move up the scale in price point such as the Sumo compared to the MM because you start to pay more for 'intangibles' such as skilled assembly/labor cost, movement cost, level of finishing, etc. even styling even comes into play because a manufacturer will not make two models that sell at such different price points and have them look similar.

i'd still like to know what your picks would be in watches that you think compare similarily to the MM at the price points i mentioned.

Well for 1 I think the Orient Star 300m... beats the MM in every category except one... at a much lower pricepoint... I would say that the only advantage the MM has over the OS 300m would be the mov't, but I don't really give 2 flips about "in-house" or not when we are talking about "seiko movt's" and I would guess that the actual differences in movt's accuracy and durability would be very minimal between the 2... and honestly if the MM is accurate within 2 seconds a day.. and the OS 300m is 10 seconds... I still have to reset them both after not wearing them for a couple of days.. so what is the real difference.. to me? None....

Look I am not trying to bash the MM... I just wouldn't pay the price for one as I didn't think it warranted the asking price.. on the other hand... I certainly am not saying that others shouldn't or wouldn't pay the price for them.... I think it is a nice piece.. And honestly if I found a steal on one, I would grab it..

[laughinggull]

Just want to follow up on "the bling factor"...for me, I think it's the combination of the metal, the shiny edges on the bezel, the highly polished and reflective bezel, the polished inner ring in the bezel...when you look at all of those surfaces reflecting light, the "bling" comes from lots more places than simply polished SS...hope that clarifies the issue

It's still aand always will be a gorgeous watch, and IMHO a huge value, as Denizen has pointed out...anD I think, in the end, its a better value, than the PO or the SMP

And now that yobokies is making sapphire double domed crystals for Tunas it's just a matter of time before Harold has them made for MM's....and such a deal they are

This whole conversation has piqued my interest in possibly hunting down a used MM

[carsmovies]

If the MM was at the same price point as the Orient Star I would grab one right away.