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    Re: The Ultimate Dive Watch Used While Diving Photo Thread

    Sort of shoots your stats argument in the foot.
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    I agree that I don't think dive masters, while they certainly incur the most hours, are the most vulnerable. I would guess that the basic open water people, new and potentially inexperienced tech divers, and just in general people out of their depth probably constitute a large proportion of scuba accidents.

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    Remember Dave, these are extra cost "specialties"
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    I was diving Sunday with 2 newbs, one from our shop with about 18 dives (diver A)and one who just got certified in Myrtle Beach and only had his 5 cert dives under his belt (diver B). We were just swimming a lap of the quarry and I told diver A to take the lead and keep us at about 20 ft, just at the first thermocline. I had diver B in the middle and I was the sheep dog in the back. Diver A kept swimming away without looking back to see where we were. Diver B drove me nuts...I could see him dip down a few feet and then reach for his LP inflator to get back to 20 ft. Sure enough, he would overshoot and end up shallow and dump air to get back down. When we finished I chastised A for not paying any attention to where his buddies were, and I told B about simply swimming up and down to adjust depth without touching his inflator. His class apparently did not cover that, nor did they teach him dive tables-just handed him a computer. The second dive I took B down to the "playground" and had him swimming up and down without his inflator and just "being still" in the water. With this level of instruction at the OW level, I am surprised that there are as few fatalities as there are.

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    Re: The Ultimate Dive Watch Used While Diving Photo Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by lexvil View Post
    Sort of shoots your stats argument in the foot.
    Not at all. Risk per hour has little to do with a person's individual total incurred hours. Mistakes by trained, highly experienced professionals are less common than mistakes by untrained novices, especially per hour of activity. The risk of experienced, safe drivers per hour is likely to be far less than that of teenagers in their first driving lesson.

    My original statistics addressed only population-total risk per hour. A professional dive master accumulates many personal hours, but they create through their training a multiple of dive hours for the people they train. If they take a class of 10 new divers every day, for every hour they dive safely, 10 net hours of less safe diving occurs. Additionally, all of these people go on to dive and I doubt a majority of them become professional divers. I would be beyond shocked to learn that the number of Dive Masters in PADI is greater than the cumulative lesser ranks. I don't know any diving instructors who have had DCS, but they all have plenty of stories of idiots doing dumb things and, in some cases, having to give DAN a call. The risk-per-hour is, by my educated guess, probably very heavily skewed by newer divers and those with insufficient training.
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    Re: The Ultimate Dive Watch Used While Diving Photo Thread

    I only have a couple of decent shots. The Sub-C was at Point of Rocks here. The PO was ... well, like it says.


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    The Ultimate Dive Watch Used While Diving Photo Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by dmcutter View Post
    I was diving Sunday with 2 newbs, one from our shop with about 18 dives (diver A)and one who just got certified in Myrtle Beach and only had his 5 cert dives under his belt (diver B). We were just swimming a lap of the quarry and I told diver A to take the lead and keep us at about 20 ft, just at the first thermocline. I had diver B in the middle and I was the sheep dog in the back. Diver A kept swimming away without looking back to see where we were. Diver B drove me nuts...I could see him dip down a few feet and then reach for his LP inflator to get back to 20 ft. Sure enough, he would overshoot and end up shallow and dump air to get back down. When we finished I chastised A for not paying any attention to where his buddies were, and I told B about simply swimming up and down to adjust depth without touching his inflator. His class apparently did not cover that, nor did they teach him dive tables-just handed him a computer. The second dive I took B down to the "playground" and had him swimming up and down without his inflator and just "being still" in the water. With this level of instruction at the OW level, I am surprised that there are as few fatalities as there are.
    Agree but I think the individuals are to blame as well.
    When I got certified I made sure I was actually able to perform the tasks I was supposed to, and when my wife got hers, I repeated various trainings with her, till the time she was extremely comfortable with everything.
    A lazy instructor is inexcusable and I believe the open water certification process is really lacking, but in the end it's your life, if PADI doesn't care about it you should.

    Too many people approach diving I a way too bold way.
    I see people that can barely control their buoyancy do stuff I would never dare to do, and it always leaves me flabbergasted how little people care about their personal safety.

    As they say, there are many old divers and many bold divers, but very few old bold divers.

    Accidents are unavoidable (ie this weekend in Italy three divers were killed, probably because of contaminated air in the tanks, something I would not know how to control since I always rent the tanks from the different dive operations), but the risk can be greatly minimized by diving safe and well within your certification and (especially) experience limits.
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    Re: The Ultimate Dive Watch Used While Diving Photo Thread

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    Re: The Ultimate Dive Watch Used While Diving Photo Thread

    Snorkelling yesterday







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    Re: The Ultimate Dive Watch Used While Diving Photo Thread

    Ivan, as much as I envy your watch collection, what I truly envy is the amount of time you seem to spend diving.
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    Re: The Ultimate Dive Watch Used While Diving Photo Thread

    Completely agree!

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    This thread is awesome!

    Diving and snorkeling in the Bahamas, 2013:

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