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    Right, yeah, okay, you too! Whatever that means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by macchina View Post
    Two things:
    I was considering a Damasko for an outdoor watch and though a lot of the marks on the OP's watch wouldn't have been found by me, his report of their customer service really makes me want to avoid this brand!

    Second, I've seen "ice hardening" mentioned here a lot and wanted to chime in that this is an extremely common process as a step in hardening stainless steel. I'll grant Damasko that a lot of watch makes don't harden their steel (it's usually left in the annealed state), but millions or billions of stainless items are hardened every day and an ice bath quench is nothing remotely unique. It sounds to me they may be 100% finishing the bracelet components before hardening (it's much easier on tooling when the steel is soft) and the marks may come from bulk handling of the components.

    To brag about an ice bath quench in a stainless hardening proccess is like bragging about using primer before you painted a house. A lot of people do it, not many people brag about it!
    Two things as well: Why posting in the wrong thread ? This one here is about Damasko and Authorized Dealer Experience, Refund Policy, Seeking Truth and not about ice-hardening processes or patents Damasko holds.

    Second, Damasko was smart to patent their choice of steel alloy for all watch case applications. They use Cronidur 30 (X30CrMoN15 1). They did not invent this steel, nor did they develop its ice hardening process. But they were brilliant in finding novelty in order to secure a patent. Here is their explanation of novelty from their US patent:

    "these materials have heretofore been regarded by experts as unsuitable for the manufacture of wrist watches, due to the fact that such steels are highly magnetizable, especially by external magnetic fields, so that they function as permanent magnets whose magnetic field strongly impairs the highly sensitive clockwork of a wrist watch. The invention is based on the realization that the aforementioned hardenable steel surprisingly is suitable for wrist watch cases, and especially if in the interior of the case a ring or plate enclosing the clockwork is made of a diamagnetic metal."
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    I find it absurd that this observation (you can use magnetic shielding to shield a magnet!) is deemed worthy of a patent.
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    Re: Damasko and Authorized Dealer Experience, Refund Policy, Seeking Truth

    Quote Originally Posted by Avo View Post
    I find it absurd that this observation (you can use magnetic shielding to shield a magnet!) is deemed worthy of a patent.
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    Well, given that in several hundreds of years of watchmaking, nobody had used the concept to protect the movement from a magnetized case, so that you could use more exotic alloys such as X30CrMoN15 for the case...
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    Re: Damasko and Authorized Dealer Experience, Refund Policy, Seeking Truth

    Rolex used exactly the same sort of shield in the Milgauss in 1958. So the shield is not new. The only new thing is noticing that, if you shield against all magnetic fields (like the Milgauss), that will include any fields produced by the case.

    Really doesn't seem worth a patent to me, but the US Patent Office disagrees.
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    Re: Damasko and Authorized Dealer Experience, Refund Policy, Seeking Truth

    Quote Originally Posted by Avo View Post
    Rolex used exactly the same sort of shield in the Milgauss in 1958. So the shield is not new. The only new thing is noticing that, if you shield against all magnetic fields (like the Milgauss), that will include any fields produced by the case.

    Really doesn't seem worth a patent to me, but the US Patent Office disagrees.
    New was using a shield with a metal that was considered not suitable for watches. But I agree that it seems like a trivial innovation.
    Anyway isn't it expired now?
    As an aside I have a Böker knife with cronidur steel blade. In that use case it is a reasonably good (hard and hard wearing) blade steel though not the most extreme among knives, what is interesting though is that it is very stainless if I remember well, and hence it is a bit puzzling that it is not used for the dive watch.

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    Yeah, it's expired anyways, so it's a moot point now.

    Cronidur 30 is one of the more stainless hardenable steels, but it's still not as resistant as 316L.

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    I am saddened and disgusted to read this story, and the OP is much nicer than I would be. Even though you used the "Friends and Family" method on PayPal, did you transfer the funds using a bank account or a credit card? If so, you may still be covered. Call the bank/credit card company and dispute the PayPal transaction. Once you do that, PayPal will reverse the transaction with Asrar while they investigate and you will have Asrar by the n*tbag.

    I would also report him to PayPal, they can close his account for this, as he is clearly violating the terms of use by asking customers to send money via "Friends and Family" to save the fees. If they shut down his PayPal account, he can't get paid by anyone (at least not through PayPal) and more importantly they may take action. Just be sure to tell them that he asked you to do this. Clearly, it had to be his idea, as you have nothing to gain and everything to lose in this scenario.

    I think you have a good shot of getting this resolved using those steps...

    If that does not work, take the watches to a local trusted watch shop and have them repaired to your satisfaction, then sell them on WUS or eBay.

    Good luck!

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    Re: Damasko and Authorized Dealer Experience, Refund Policy, Seeking Truth

    Quote Originally Posted by Vig2000 View Post
    Doesn't seem to be the case: Damasko is still shown as a featured brand on Timeless's website: http://www.timelessluxwatches.com/brands/damasko

    Even features the new DSub1 and the Timeless/Damasko Special Editions. Unless there was some sort of drastic change in the very recent past, it seems like Timeless still remains a Damasko AD.
    I did see that timeless is running a 20% off Damasko right now so maybe they are phasing away.

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