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    Seiko SBGT 039 Review

    Grand Seiko SBGT 039
    (there’s another review and some photos of this watch on the Seiko & Citizen forum)

    Ever since I happened on what was then the HEQ Forum in 2006, any watch I’ve bought has had a black or dark blue dial, in the belief that the contrast between the hands and a dark dial would be easier and quicker to read. I was always tempted by the various special GS models with 5 spy specs and when the SBGT 039 was announced, despite its white face, I thought I’d ask Higuchi for a quote, thinking that I could probably get all, or almost all, of my money back if I hated it. To make a long story short, the watch arrived last Monday.







    Although there are some lighting conditions in which I can more easily read my blue Chronomaster or the black (dark grey, really) CITIZEN than the 039, in most circumstances the 039 is at least as easy to read and sometimes easier. I find that I’m not at all offended by the textured face and I really like the blue seconds hand and the blue GS, though I wish Mr Seiko would come up with something other than that anachronistic, Gothic font.





    The indices are beautifully made and finished. It’s very difficult to say whether the minute markers are applied, though they are clearly slightly raised. The SEIKO and GS are also applied but the “GRAND SEIKO”, also in Gothic, may not be. The hands are also beautifully made, with the top surface and the bevels on each side polished to a mirror finish. As can be seen in the first photo, above, the date appears to be slightly offset upwards in relation to the day.







    The case is simply shaped, with slightly convex flanks, similar in profile to those of the Titanium Chronomaster and direct comparisons appear in these photos. In the same photos the rather flat cone of the bezel (the 039 is on the right) can also be compared to the steeper cone of the Chronomaster. Like the latter, the case is 37 mm in diameter without the crown. The crown is screwed down and signed with the usual Gothic GS.









    The bracelet is complex, with 7 components per link; all except two are brushed finish. Those on either side of the center link are polished and can be seen to be separate pieces in the photo. The tiny screwed end plugs and straight pin are also shown. The outer end faces are mirror polished. The bracelet is much longer than usual. I only expect to remove about three links to fit my wrists, admittedly on the skinny side. Personally, I think I prefer the simpler, three component bracelets fitted to the less expensive GS models and the new Eco-drive CITIZEN, but this one is certainly beautifully made and finished. The last photo shows detached links from the CITIZEN AQ1000-58E (on the left) and the Seiko SBGX 087, for comparison (my apologies for the rather grubby background). The Citizen's links are shorter but essentially the same design. The fastening is the same as used on most GS models.










    It’s way too early to talk about accuracy, of course, but the movement is described in the Instruction manual as 9F83 but “enhanced”, which I take it means “selected”. Whether it means anything more, I don’t know. As usual, even with high accuracy models, the seconds hand does not line up perfectly with the minute markers all the way round, but this example does better than most. As I said earlier, the date number appears to be slightly misaligned, too.

    Unlike the SBGX 087 (9F62) and the SBGF019 (8J56), whose specs call for the watch to be worn at least 8 hours a day if the accuracy is to stay within 10 seconds per year, the SBGT039 (9F83) instructions specify that the watch be worn 12 hours a day if the watch is to stay within 5 seconds a year. Earlier versions of the 9F demanded 12 hours a day, as do all quartz models of The Citizen. One wonders how much difference is made by 12 hours a day versus 8.

    The back has the usual information, the case material, movement and case number, water resistance level and the other cryptic symbols. Besides this expected information, it also has the Limited Edition number, and the Grand Seiko rearing lion, a very handsome fellow.

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    Congratulations - another amazing HEQ!

    I am very tempted by one of those

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    Just a great review--with superb pictures--artec! And what a wonderful-looking watch. I really like the more-complex bracelet, and the textured dial is a plus in my books. The blue touches are also just beautiful, in my opinion. The screw-down crown is also a nice feature. You mentioned the difficulty in determining the exact nature of the minute markers. I've had the same difficulty in figuring this out with my two Anniversary-model GS quartzes, and also with my new The Citizen AQ1000-58E. In all cases, these markers look raised from the surface of the dial, but just how they are made is unclear.

    Now that you have this watch and can place it side-by-side with your Chronomaster (0955) and new CITIZEN (as we agreed to refer to the new "The Citizen") 58E, how would you comparatively rate their aesthetics?
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    Re: Congratulations - another amazing HEQ!

    Quote Originally Posted by South Pender View Post
    Just a great review--with superb pictures--artec! And what a wonderful-looking watch. I really like the more-complex bracelet, and the textured dial is a plus in my books. The blue touches are also just beautiful, in my opinion. The screw-down crown is also a nice feature. You mentioned the difficulty in determining the exact nature of the minute markers. I've had the same difficulty in figuring this out with my two Anniversary-model GS quartzes, and also with my new The Citizen AQ1000-58E. In all cases, these markers look raised from the surface of the dial, but just how they are made is unclear.

    Now that you have this watch and can place it side-by-side with your Chronomaster (0955) and new CITIZEN (as we agreed to refer to the new "The Citizen") 58E, how would you comparatively rate their aesthetics?
    An interesting question.... requiring a direct comparison and some thought....... a further reply will be forthcoming!

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    Re: Congratulations - another amazing HEQ!

    A very detailed review. If your watch has a fairly flat temperature curve, wiuld there be an easily detectable difference between 12 hour/day versus 8 hours/day?

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    Re: Congratulations - another amazing HEQ!

    Quote Originally Posted by ronalddheld View Post
    A very detailed review. If your watch has a fairly flat temperature curve, wiuld there be an easily detectable difference between 12 hour/day versus 8 hours/day?
    That's a very good point. In my timing trials with my two 5 s/y Seiko 9Fs, there has been almost no difference in accuracy between room temperature and wearing temperature--an almost completely flat temperature X rate function. So you're right, the number of hours worn would make no noticeable difference. We'll see how flat the function is for artec's new gem.
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    Re: Congratulations - another amazing HEQ!

    Here is the further reply....... see what you think.
    South Pender, I think your question is likely to elicit different answers from different people, so here are three direct comparison photos; everyone can decide for himself. The last one is so that you can compare the bracelets and the way they fit onto the lugs.

    Personally, I like the Chronomaster best. The other two are so completely different that I find I prefer one one moment and the other a moment later. On the whole, though, I think I like the white GS a little better…. mainly because of that damned fuel gauge on the CITIZEN. That thing really gets up my nose! It did when I had the SD, too.

    I like the CITIZEN’s bracelet best, though….. so nice and simple and clean.

    I shall be interested to read anyone else’s views and reasons!






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    Re: Congratulations - another amazing HEQ!

    Quote Originally Posted by artec View Post
    Here is the further reply....... see what you think.
    South Pender, I think your question is likely to elicit different answers from different people, so here are three direct comparison photos; everyone can decide for himself. The last one is so that you can compare the bracelets and the way they fit onto the lugs.

    Personally, I like the Chronomaster best. The other two are so completely different that I find I prefer one one moment and the other a moment later. On the whole, though, I think I like the white GS a little better…. mainly because of that damned fuel gauge on the CITIZEN. That thing really gets up my nose! It did when I had the SD, too.

    I like the CITIZEN’s bracelet best, though….. so nice and simple and clean.

    I shall be interested to read anyone else’s views and reasons!
    Completely unsatisfactory, artec! (Just kidding!) What I was hoping for was for you to get out the old loupe and do some serious staring, reporting back on quality of fit and finish, degree of intricacy in the case and markers, fineness and delicacy of the dial work, quality of polishing, overall sense of quality....
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    Re: Congratulations - another amazing HEQ!

    Quote Originally Posted by artec View Post
    Here is the further reply....... see what you think.
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    Hmm, just on general looks I like the GS for the day/date - but I really wonder if the visibility would have been better with dark/black thin lines on the hour and minute hands ...

    If I would have to pick based on all things - probably the blue A660 - for the perpetual calendar and the lume (now I wonder if Citizen will ever do a day/date 'The Citizen' or I should rather 'settle' for the EBG74-2921 / ATD53-2792 / PMD56-2952 and just build a radio signal for those ).

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    Re: Congratulations - another amazing HEQ!

    artec, thanks a lot for your review and your comparative pictures of these wonderful 3 watches.

    I like a bit more the sleek design of the Seiko, as well as its distinctive blue second hand.

    I don't understand why only the Chronomaster carries the lumibrite: it is so useful, especially in the lack of light, that it's a shame it is not in the other 2 watches.

    I don't understand why Seiko still lacks the perpetual calendar: a very useful feature that doesn't need so much work to be done.

    The bracelet I like the most is on the Chronomaster but I have no idea which one is the most confortable.

    I'd like so much a day indicator on the Citizens, like on the GS: once more, not a big complication to be added.

    Someone says that the gothic font used for the Grand Seiko logo is obsolete. Anyway it is also distinctive and in my opinion changing it wouldn't be a good idea.

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