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    While it is a commonly believed that Yuri Gagarin, the first man to fly to outer space, wore the first watch to ever reach outer space along with him, it's actually not true. That watch is the second to reach outer space. Most of us here by now are familiar with his watch, a Sturmanskie, but not many know about Chernushka the space dog's Pobeda ("Victory") watch. The watch didn't actually belong to a dog, of course, it belonged to the Soviet aerospace medical researcher Dr. Abraham Genin.

    Chernushka, "Blackie", was one of many space dogs, and took part in the mission Korabl-Sputnik 4 on March 9th, 1961 in order to test both life in orbit and the ejection of a human mannequin after reentry, to my knowledge. This mission was just before Gagarin's historic flight a mere one month later. Genin was tending to the mission before its launch. Bored of his Pobeda watch that he was awarded while in the military, and considering the watch's resilience to all his abuse including swimming with it, he strapped it to the dog hoping he'd never see it again. The mission was a success and Chernushka returned home safely. Through his personalized engraving on the back of the watch it was traced back to him where he received trouble for his unauthorized stunt.

    Years later in 1989 the Smithsonian Institution was conducting video interviews in Russia with some of the scientists and researchers of the Soviet space medicine program. Included in these interviews was Genin. At the end of one of the sessions, Genin, while holding the watch, told its story.

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    Knowledge of this story isn't really new. The oldest record I can find online mentioning it dates to 2006 from WatchTime magazine. It was then published in a book in 2007. A few others over the years have also reported on this. Why this was not a more widespread story is unbeknownst to me.

    Raketa, who purchased the rights to the Pobeda trademark around 2014, knew the story too and began producing a new model last year in honor of the event. They provided an additional source for the Chernushka story, however, a book called "Favorites" by Mark Gallay published in 1990. Gallay was skeptical of Genin's story, believing the risk of sending the watch into space unauthorized was really to settle scientific debate regarding the functionality of machinery in zero gravity, but this is something that Genin denies.

    The mission lasted only one and a half hours, so in the event that the watch was still on-time when it returned one would have the conclusion about its performance. It just seems strange he would not only be bored or sick of but attempt to rid of a gifted watch through a mission planned to succeed and return it to him. With his name directly on the watch and knowing the consequences he would need a good scientific excuse for the stunt. We may never truly know, Abraham Genin has sadly since passed away in 1999.

    One thing remained, however. People knew of the watch and the Smithsonian interviews, why did nobody obtain an image of it!? Raketa themselves write, "Nobody knows exactly, which of watches were in space, but we are sure that it was Pobeda." Nobody knows exactly, really!? Well comrades, I know exactly which watch traveled with Chernushka that day, because I purchased a copy of the footage from the Smithsonian myself.

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    Alright, here it is: Genin's Pobeda! The tiny seconds hand can be seen ticking away in the video.

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    Gold hands and numerals, sliver of '6' beneath the subdial, and no usual factory inscription. This is not quite the ordinary Pobeda, however, it actually features a "Hermetic" case, among the first attempts at developing a dust (and water?) resistant watch. It features a screw-down back with rubber gasket, something seen on later Sturmanskie and Sportivnie watches, and a unique large crown enveloping a crown tube. This interestingly brings some truth to Genin's claims of having swum with the watch without ill effects, however this is obviously not a Zlatoust diver's watch of the same era and is not advisable. This model is found in the known 1953 catalog under the designation "34-K", but is seen in later catalogs as well. A sibling model with black numerals and blue hands also exists. Inside the watch is an ordinary 15-jewel 2602 caliber. From the most reliable sources I can find online each movement in this model is stamped dating between 1953 and 1954, but also, most of all, a 1МЧЗ logo giving the late First Moscow Watch Factory, Poljot, one more score for the spaceflight record books along with Gagarin's Sturmanskie, Leonuv's Strela, Gubarev's Strela, and Akiyama's Sturmanskie.

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    I shall leave you with our friend Dashiell's photo of the same model in his collection and special thanks for helping with some of this research.

    Last edited by Arizone; April 11th, 2018 at 09:56.

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    Re: The Actual Very First Watch In Space

    I'm guessing something simple like this ...

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    Arizone, I think this is the most interesting topic to have been raised for a long time and I really enjoyed reading it, congratulations.

    My offering is as far back as you can go and not much different to mariomart 's.
    If he died in 1999 I'll guess from his photo taken in 1989 that he was about 80 years old. Based on that he was born in the early 20's and doing his army service in the 40's. On that basis the watch has to be early.


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    Thanks comrade Arizone for going out of your way to clear up this mystery!

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    I concur with my comrades but I believe he just wanted to find out what would happen to his timepiece in space and to do it officially he would have had to fill up too many forms. At least he was able to tell Gagarin "don't worry your watch will work."

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    Re: The Actual Very First Watch In Space

    Very interesting thread, looking forwards to the money shot tomorrow! ☺

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    Re: The Actual Very First Watch In Space the soviet space program sent a dog with ticks into space ...interesting!
    Looking forward to the reveal
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    Very interesting . Thanks for sharing. Nice looking dog too.
    ​I'm afraid one day I will die and my wife will sell my watches for what I told her I paid for them.

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    I held my breath until i read: "The mission was a success and Chernushka returned home safely. "

    The reissue looks nice, but a quartz movment in a commemorative model? Come on...
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    Very interesting Arizone, good work!

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