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    Re: Before & After ✨

    Sekondtime, posts like this is why I love this thread! Master work, as always. This Mayak dial looks like a very tough job. The result is better than I expected looking at the first pic. Looks impossible without wiping out everything on it.
    And about the date complication - if I had a penny for every tiny spring that flew away from my sight ...
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    Just before doe now. Shall I try to clean this dial up? Its quite nicely aged all around. Same one under 2 different lights. I do not want to rub it and risk losing the lume dots. Maybe citric acid with a cotton swab? Thanks!
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    Re: Before & After ✨

    Quote Originally Posted by Odessa200 View Post
    Just before doe now. Shall I try to clean this dial up? Its quite nicely aged all around. Same one under 2 different lights. I do not want to rub it and risk losing the lume dots. Maybe citric acid with a cotton swab? Thanks!
    I think you may get a cleaner dial with a citric acid solution lightly applied. However, I think the lume dots will be quite fragile because of the age of the dial and because they are so small. Note that the black minute marks and the wording on these dials is not as robust as a Ruhla dial. So, caution is advised. Work around these where possible. I find a high magnification eye loupe essential when doing this work.

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    Re: Before & After ✨

    Quote Originally Posted by Kamburov View Post
    Sekondtime, posts like this is why I love this thread! Master work, as always. This Mayak dial looks like a very tough job. The result is better than I expected looking at the first pic. Looks impossible without wiping out everything on it.
    And about the date complication - if I had a penny for every tiny spring that flew away from my sight ...
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    Thanks Ivan. I think the Mayak dial was the toughest so far. I think the dark marks on the dial were cause by some sort of old oil in finger print marks which had congealed and ingrained itself into the paint. It was really stubborn. I worked around the minute marks and the wording as best I could so, it is not perfect but better than it was.

    Ah, pinging springs! Just where on earth do they end up?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sekondtime View Post
    Two more before and after examples for you to view.

    Firstly a Mayak which I managed to acquire for $4.30 delivered (albeit with some other watches). This one was going to be a bit of a gamble because I was not sure if the discolouration on the dial was just dirt or corrosion or what exactly. Some of it was oil as there was an abundance of oil under the dial. Also, whether the movement was good or not was also a gamble. However, the hands looked in very good condition.



    After some citric acid treatment; more than usual in this instance, I managed to getting to look like this:



    There is still some stubborn discolouration but I feared that any more work on the dial would ruin it. I would not say it is the best clean that I have achieved but I am pretty pleased considering what it was like before and the type of dirt/damage. It actually looks better in real life than in the photos. The movement proved to be ok and works well. It keeps good time. I am not sure if the movement is authentic though.



    I think this is the catalogue entry from 1960 although it has different hands in the picture.


    Next is Sekonda branded Poljot 2614B. I managed to get this for just less than $9 including the Sekonda box. The hands had cracked and the date mechanism was reported not working. Otherwise, it just looked a little bit dirty.



    It was easy to restore the hands which I have documented on this thread before. The movement was working well but the lever to set the date mechanism proved a bit time consuming. Firstly, trying to find the right position for the lever and secondly, getting it set with the spring correctly. I think someone had been there before me and changed the position of the spring. I cannot say that I find date setting mechanism easy or fun to do in most watches except a Ruhla. Give me a Ruhla any day. They are a cinch!

    Here is the result:


    There are still bargains to be had out there (but not as frequent as there used to be!)

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    This looks great!!! I think an embossed dial would be very hard to clean with all the ridges, but it looks much better. The Seconda looks wonderful as well. I'm curious why you think the movement might be replaced. I have one I just got and it seems to have the same movement, but I'm really terrible at spotting things.

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    I'm not sure I'm going to attempt to clean up the Mayak because the lettering on the dial is not so great and the case is missing a bit of the gilding. I might just take the hands and use them to replace the hands on the Raketa I have that I think would be a correct match. Thoughts?

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    And while working on the Russia last night, just a bit of polish and dial clean up, I think I may have stumbled on a secret for a good restoration: Start with a black dial!
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    Here you go guys.... finished the 2nd Saturn I got for 14$. This is what I had and the final result. I am quite happy. This is what I did:
    1) movement was not working at all. After service precision is great. Left it at +5-8 secs in all positions. Great positional stability. Amplitude 290. Beat error 0.7.
    2) dial: end up lightly watching it with soap and a brush. Got it a bit whiter. Good for me.
    3) cleaned the case and a bit polished the crystal.

    What do you think? 2 photos are before and 2 after.
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    Re: Before & After ✨

    Odessa, you are becomming quite a specialist on the saturns I still haven't had the chance to play with them. Exellent work! I don't think a better result is possible. These dials are really quite old, and to be honest, I like when they are clean, but retain the signs of their age. You've done it nicely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamburov View Post
    Odessa, you are becomming quite a specialist on the saturns [IMG class=inlineimg]https://forums.watchuseek.com/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif[/IMG] I still haven't had the chance to play with them. Exellent work! I don't think a better result is possible. These dials are really quite old, and to be honest, I like when they are clean, but retain the signs of their age. You've done it nicely.
    Ivan
    Thanks Kamburov! Agree. I like them aged especially on an aged watch. But even with my glasses on I cannot read the calendar w/o the correct crystal that has a magnifier... O well, one day I will find a bunch of old crystals for these 🙂

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    Re: Before & After ✨

    Quote Originally Posted by Sekondtime View Post
    I think you may get a cleaner dial with a citric acid solution lightly applied. However, I think the lume dots will be quite fragile because of the age of the dial and because they are so small. Note that the black minute marks and the wording on these dials is not as robust as a Ruhla dial. So, caution is advised. Work around these where possible. I find a high magnification eye loupe essential when doing this work.

    Sekondtime
    This is fantastic idea, Sekondtime. Probably works well on stubborn stains and marks on the dial. I'm thinking of using it on my Ladies' Hamilton watch, but I'm not sure if it's a good idea; should I unscrew the stem and crown, and then not to be able to put back properly (happened to me 2-3 times...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaParker View Post
    This looks great!!! I think an embossed dial would be very hard to clean with all the ridges, but it looks much better. The Seconda looks wonderful as well. I'm curious why you think the movement might be replaced. I have one I just got and it seems to have the same movement, but I'm really terrible at spotting things.
    Excellent work. I have a couple of black dial watches to look at next.

    As for the movement. I wondered if one of the bridges had been replaced. I am not as familiar with watches from the 50s and 60s (except Ruhla of course). Maybe it is ok, in which case hurrah!

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