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    Quote Originally Posted by PiotrS View Post
    Hi
    I turn up.
    I also have such a watch. It's very precisne.
    What year is this? What's not original?
    Please help me, don't get over these watches.
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    Hello and welcome! This watch is from 60s.
    Crystal is not original because the magnifying lens is missing. Can you post better pictures? The hour hand looks strange (it should be straight a bit thicker than the minute hand). Hard to see the movement but looks ok

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    Re: Early Poljot with date, but 16 Jewels?

    Thx
    I can't take better pictures gal...S9... :(.

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    Re: Early Poljot with date, but 16 Jewels?

    You need to be aware that there is a difference between how many jewels it is said a movement has and how many are actually used in the movement. I don't know the details of this particular movement but for instance a Raketa 2609 where the fourth wheel goes through a hollow centre wheel only needs 16 jewels. But it can have more if some of the wheels have cap jewels on top of the hole jewels.

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    Re: Early Poljot with date, but 16 Jewels?

    Here is what I think - a replaced bridge.
    The early 17j 2414 were bevelled edge, with added cap jewel on the escape wheel (on that stamped train bridge). Soon after 2414 were produced with a step edge.
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    here's an example of mine
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    So in order to keep it bevelled edge, someone might've replaced the bridge with a kirovskie one. No cap jewel.
    Does it make sense?
    Either that ore some were produced with older bridges, which I kinda doubt.
    Ivan

    PS: Actually now I have to open all my 2414 and check what's going on.
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    Re: Early Poljot with date, but 16 Jewels?

    Here it is an example of a movement that, it seems, could have only 16 jewels but because it has a caped escape it has 17.
    Do caped jewels improve the movement? Yes but, on a wheel, they are not as essential as a bearing jewel.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kamburov View Post
    Here is what I think - a replaced bridge.
    The early 17j 2414 were bevelled edge, with added cap jewel on the escape wheel (on that stamped train bridge). Soon after 2414 were produced with a step edge.


    here's an example of mine


    So in order to keep it bevelled edge, someone might've replaced the bridge with a kirovskie one. No cap jewel.
    Does it make sense?
    Either that ore some were produced with older bridges, which I kinda doubt.
    Ivan

    PS: Actually now I have to open all my 2414 and check what's going on.

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    Re: Early Poljot with date, but 16 Jewels?

    Quote Originally Posted by joaot View Post
    Here it is an example of a movement that, it seems, could have only 16 jewels but because it has a caped escape it has 17.
    Do caped jewels improve the movement? Yes but, on a wheel, they are not as essential as a bearing jewel.
    True that. The real question is how it came out the factory, though.
    In one of my 2414 poljots I found a 16j bridge too. The mainspring bride was stepped, so obviously a mix of bridges, who knows what else. So I opened my spares boxes and I found some bevelled 17j 2414. One is even from the same model as the one we're talking about.
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    That tells me they were produced exactly as described in the catalogue.
    Now I have a movement to defranken, but I also got the spares. Thanks to the OP for opening the subject! I wouldn't have noticed otherwise.
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    Re: Early Poljot with date, but 16 Jewels?

    I don't know if the plot thickens, or I have a franken too, but I have the same watch as OP which does not indicate jewel count on the dial, and it is 16 jewels as well.

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    I also found this one with obviously wrong hands, crown, and non-magnifier crystal, but without jewel count indication on the dial and 16 jewels inside. So, I think it's at least possible these early Poljots were produced using 16 jewel movements. It wouldn't need to be a replacement from a Kirovskie if it were early or during the transition from many brands to single brand of Poljot that happened 63-64 that also corresponds to the old Poljot diamond logo. Maybe 16 jewel, when jewel count was not indicated on the dial, was correct from back when Poljot was a single-model name? Just a thought.

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    Re: Early Poljot with date, but 16 Jewels?

    I'm no expert and I may be wrong. It still happens to me often, so I never presume to be 100% certain.
    It's just that my experience corresponds to the catalogue. Maybe earlier production of the models were with 16j and at some point changed to 17j.
    Maybe some info shows up to proove just that. The subject is still open, I guess.

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    Re: Early Poljot with date, but 16 Jewels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kamburov View Post
    I'm no expert and I may be wrong. It still happens to me often, so I never presume to be 100% certain.
    It's just that my experience corresponds to the catalogue. Maybe earlier production of the models were with 16j and at some point changed to 17j.
    Maybe some info shows up to proove just that. The subject is still open, I guess.
    Now I'm curious , is the one you think is wrong lacking a jewel count on the dial?
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    Re: Early Poljot with date, but 16 Jewels?

    Quote Originally Posted by AaParker View Post
    Now I'm curious , is the one you think is wrong lacking a jewel count on the dial?
    My examples have the jewel count (17) under the sputnik logotype, so they are alright. The no jewel count ones, I don't know about them. I understand what you mean, need to dig more into this.

    PS: I can't seem to find 16j 2414 in the 70s catalogues, though.
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