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    Re: Franken of the week...

    This one might even be considered a SuperFranken
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    Re: Franken of the week...

    Slava with (supposedly) Orient case - quite clever solution, Orient and Slava have both a button at 2 'o clock...
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    Re: Franken of the week...

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    Slava with (supposedly) Orient case - quite clever solution, Orient and Slava have both a button at 2 'o clock...
    That's not an ORIENT, it's a QREINI !

    I know because I've got one, but mine has the dial to match the back, and a Chinese day disk substituted. I think the way it went was that the Orient SK was a very popular watch in Asia in the late 1970s. So the Hong Kong cheap brands put out their own version, originally with a crown at 2 o'clock and double internal bezels (as there was no need for a date-change button) i.e. a triple-crown case. In the 1980s, when the HK watchmakers ran out of crap-grade Swiss movements, they switched to USSR-sourced movements (better movement, same price). I've bought a Hong Kong pocket watch in 1985 that was probably designed for a Swiss ES95 but has a Poljot 2609. This change of parts source encouraged somebody to push the Orient homages far closer to the original by using the Slava movement.

    And let's not forget that one of Slava's last authentic new models was a kind of modern Orient SK homage with 2427 movement. That was probably the inspiration for the joker who put together this 'vintage' Slorient.
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    Re: Franken of the week...

    Quote Originally Posted by Chascomm View Post
    And let's not forget that one of Slava's last authentic new models was a kind of modern Orient SK homage with 2427 movement. That was probably the inspiration for the joker who put together this 'vintage' Slorient.
    Yes, indeed there was something strange on the caseback, i remember the fishy QREINI brand...and the "Slorient" brand made my day

    Same thing happens with CJIABA watches, those missing segments in the letters are a timeless trick

    About the real, Orient-style, Slava model that you are talking about, i'm thinking to buy it since lot of time, but i find the price (€ 102,00) way too high...more than an Orient. And it seems not available elsewhere.

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    Re: Franken of the week...

    Chascomm,

    "QREINI" could be said as an "imitation" created to confuse customers to think they're getting an Orient. Some other brands were created for less scrupulous intents.

    A little while ago I found a watch made in HK some time in the 70s, I think, with the brand "ASEIKON"; the seller was honest and did not pretend it to be anything else. When received by the distributors or retailers they could just take the movement out and wipe off the first and last letter...

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    Re: Franken of the week...

    Quote Originally Posted by Seele View Post
    Chascomm,

    "QREINI" could be said as an "imitation" created to confuse customers to think they're getting an Orient. Some other brands were created for less scrupulous intents.

    A little while ago I found a watch made in HK some time in the 70s, I think, with the brand "ASEIKON"; the seller was honest and did not pretend it to be anything else. When received by the distributors or retailers they could just take the movement out and wipe off the first and last letter...
    ASEIKON
    BASEIKONE
    LESEIKORI

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    Re: Franken of the week...

    Here is an old post about Aseikon on WUS:

    https://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=270984

    Am i wrong, or there is a Ruhla M-24 inside?

    Here is another one with (supposedly) 23 jewels, currently for sale on an Italian site.



    and here another one, conceptually very close to the "Slorient" watch seen before. Movement is an EB (Bettlach) if i'm not wrong:



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    Re: Franken of the week...

    Quote Originally Posted by Chascomm View Post
    ASEIKON
    BASEIKONE
    LESEIKORI

    Well, this are really "fraud watches", not franken, IMHO.
    I think a franken watch could arise from needing of making a watch somehow running. Maybe they were born due to lack of spare parts, or so on. Not a really fraud, unless the seller wants to foolish me
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    Re: Franken of the week...



    Dress-style 2414 dial, date mechanism and cannon pinion, with an early 2409A base movement in a 2209 Ministry case with 22mm lugs.

    There's somebody with a bottomless parts bin...
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