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    Re: --- A Guide: Buying / Modifying / Repairing VOSTOK AMPHIBIA ---

    Evening comrades, I have a 2409 movement that keeps spitting off the seconds hand.
    Anyone have any tips, tricks or dirty tricks that will remedy this problem, thank you , James.

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    Re: --- A Guide: Buying / Modifying / Repairing VOSTOK AMPHIBIA ---

    Quote Originally Posted by jimzilla View Post
    ..... 2409 movement that keeps spitting off the seconds hand....

    The Seconds Hand Detaches



    Possible Problems:


    1. Hand Is Not Fully Pressed Onto the Seconds Hand Pinion

    Remedy:

    - if it is a 2409 or 2414 manual wind mechanism, support the pinion and leaf spring underneath when installing the hand to prevent the pinion pushing down into the Cannon Pinion as you install the hand. 2415, 2416 etc. automatic mechanisms support the pinion on the automatic system bridge plate so no extra support is required
    -- if it is not supported, the hand will not fully seat onto the end of the Seconds Hand Pinion

    - if you are inexperienced with installing hands, you may believe you have pressed the hand fully onto the pinion end yet it is not fully seated. Because the pinion will push down slightly when you press the hand onto it, you may not feel the same friction or positive stop that you feel when the Hour or Minute Hand is installed.
    -- ensure the pinion is fully supported at the leaf spring (if it is a 2409 or 2414) and press the hand with a little more force to completely seat it



    2. Tip of Senconds Hand Pinion is Broken

    Remedy:

    - pinion must be replaced

    Perhaps the tip broke inside the 'pipe' or shank of the hand.



    3. Seconds Hand is Incorrect Size

    Correct Size: 0.17mm

    - perhaps it is a bad quality hand with poor tolerance
    - if it is custom or non-Vostok the size may be incorrect:
    -- if it is too large, it will fit loosely and detach
    -- if it is too small, it will not fit on the end of the pinion

    Remedy:

    - replace the hand



    4. Seconds Hand 'Pipe' Hole is Damaged
    - the hole has a burr or is damaged and will not allow you to press it onto the end of the Seconds Hand Pinion

    Remedy:

    - replace the hand

    - if it is a custom or expensive hand and you wish to keep it, try to open the hole or remove the burr with a tiny dill bit, tip of pin, needle or tip of modelling craft knife. Also, you can remove a small amount of the shank with a fine file or sandpaper to remove the damaged end but a small burr may be created which must be removed.

    Remove all grit or metal particles prior to installation.



    5. Mounting 'Pipe' or Shank is Too Short

    - some custom or non-Vostok hands have a pipe which is shorter than standard Vostok
    -- this will cause the hand to sit lower and closer to the Minute Hand. The hands may rub and loosen or detach the Seconds hand

    - you must use a different hand with a longer pipe if it cannot be installed without it detaching or be prevented from rubbing on the Minute Hand
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    Re: --- A Guide: Buying / Modifying / Repairing VOSTOK AMPHIBIA ---

    thank you matt, It seems like the minute hand needs to be pushed down further but it is bottomed out, I don't know if it is interfering with the seconds hand.

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    Re: --- A Guide: Buying / Modifying / Repairing VOSTOK AMPHIBIA ---

    Quote Originally Posted by jimzilla View Post
    thank you matt, It seems like the minute hand needs to be pushed down further but it is bottomed out, I don't know if it is interfering with the seconds hand.

    Remove the movement and with magnification look at the hands from the side to see if the Seconds Hand is rubbing on the Minute Hand mounting tab and ensure both hands are straight.

    Perhaps the Minute Hand is not seated completely horizontal.

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    Is the Seconds Hand genuine Vostok or custom?

    Some non-Vostok made Seconds Hands may have a shorter 'pipe' or shank which could make them sit lower and closer to the Minute Hand.
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    Re: --- A Guide: Buying / Modifying / Repairing VOSTOK AMPHIBIA ---

    It is a aftermarket hand.

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    Re: --- A Guide: Buying / Modifying / Repairing VOSTOK AMPHIBIA ---

    Hey guy's, I have another question regarding the metal rings that go inside the crystals on the older style Komanderskie cases namely the 53 style cases.
    I had purchased new crystals but the old original ring does not fit it is too big? tried to persuade it in with a rubber mallet! ...... crystal-0 ring-1
    what gives. thanks, James.

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    Are you sure you ordered a crystal for the komandirski? I know the Amphibia crystal is thicker and therefore may take a different ring?

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    Re: --- A Guide: Buying / Modifying / Repairing VOSTOK AMPHIBIA ---

    I have both Amphibia and Komanderskie crystals and I do have the shorter crystal for Komanderskie. this is the second time this has happened. I can install the currently available crystal into the old style case but not the ring, yet the ring fits into the original crystal. think I need to get dial calipers to compare. that's my question, is there a difference?

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