Italianosky(?)#3 W&CM Watch & Clock Maker by Vostok
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    Italianosky(?)#3 W&CM Watch & Clock Maker by Vostok

    Hello everybody,
    here I have another supposed Soviet production for Italian market. There is not any evidence if these watches was produced under request of Italian importer (like Komandirskie Chrono, seems even assembled in Italy). But the packaging and the tags might lead to think it. Really there aren't many informations about W&CM watches.
    Every further info is welcome!


    Let's talk the pics.

    Boxes:


    What the boxes contains:




    With crown at 2 o'clock:


    Two black automatic:



    In every box a gift of a bookmark with a legend of Cuman Sybilla, an ancient priestess, used to introduce a warning about environmental problems:


    The text says like this (excuse me for poor English...) : "The legend says Sybilla offered nine books of prophecy to the seventh (and last) King of Rome, Tarquinio il Superbo. He refused due price too high. Sybilla burned out three books and offered six for same price. Tarquinio refused again, so her burned three more. Finally, Tarquinio, afraid, paid for only three books for the price of what would have been able to purchase nine. We are doing the same with natural environment. Could be tropical forest, or air we breathe, one day we will pay any asking price for what is left."
    I hope will be understandable. If I wrote too much mistakes every correction is welcome!

    Again regarding the environmental respect, an exortation to use mechanical wristwatches instead of quartz (here there is English translation!):


    Instruction booklet:



    The guarantee:


    Unfortunately there isn't any trace about age of these watches. I tried to open the two automatic only: the movement is 2416 B marked SU. So, at least the movement could be Soviet Union age....

    I repeat, it is ONLY my opinion the supposed Italian origin of these watches!
    I hope more expert collectors will explain better!

    Thank you for visit,
    Claudio
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    VERY cool!
    I'll make a soldier's decision to fly away. Load my gun, paint my face, call me misery. I can see the sky light up and the ground explode
    Got my sights locked in, I can see you breathe. Then I watched you fall and somebody scream. It's the saddest thing when angels fly away.
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    Re: Italianosky(?)#3 W&CM Watch & Clock Maker by Vostok

    Very, Very NICE!! Especially (for my tastes) the last two with the black 'Military' dials. I especially like the 'green' exhortation, but for a different reason. Quartz watches are just so cold and lifeless to me, whereas a mechanical movement is like a living being.

    Thanks for sharing!!
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    Re: Italianosky(?)#3 W&CM Watch & Clock Maker by Vostok

    Wow!!!

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    Re: Italianosky(?)#3 W&CM Watch & Clock Maker by Vostok

    i have one too.. this is the photo of my W&CM:

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    Re: Italianosky(?)#3 W&CM Watch & Clock Maker by Vostok

    Quote Originally Posted by asquinet View Post



    Exactly! I never fail to wind my turnips up each and every day.


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    Re: Italianosky(?)#3 W&CM Watch & Clock Maker by Vostok

    They are cool looking watches...

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    Re: Italianosky(?)#3 W&CM Watch & Clock Maker by Vostok

    OK, so where does all this leave this 'W&CM' Vostok watch from the late 1980s or maybe the earliest 90s, released before the fall of the empire? It is number 0311 on my website.

    I have seen other examples of this dial in the same classic Vostok case, including a photo in one of Levenburg's catalogs.

    I don't think it was made for the Italian market.

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    Re: Italianosky(?)#3 W&CM Watch & Clock Maker by Vostok

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Gordon View Post
    OK, so where does all this leave this 'W&CM' Vostok watch from the late 1980s or maybe the earliest 90s, released before the fall of the empire? It is number 0311 on my website.

    I have seen other examples of this dial in the same classic Vostok case, including a photo in one of Levenburg's catalogs.

    I don't think it was made for the Italian market.

    -- Mark
    Hi Mark, thank you for your answer!
    As I told many times, mine is supposition, there is not any evidence of it.

    It is true, the packaging, tags, instructions are very well designed and realized, seems following an Italian taste...
    Maybe you have seen other my topics about Soviet watches imported for Italian market:
    https://forums.watchuseek.com/f10/ita...ly-649733.html (maybe this really was made for Italian market!)
    https://forums.watchuseek.com/f10/ita...ly-664427.html


    Then, it would be possible that even some samples went anywhere (from Italy? from USSR? who knows??).
    I have seen on Ebay a lot of W & CM from Italy, many other from Germany, sometime from Ukraine with USSR guarantee booklet and usual Vostok plastic box... @Happyjaia, please, are you from one of these countries?

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    Re: Italianosky(?)#3 W&CM Watch & Clock Maker by Vostok

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Gordon View Post
    OK, so where does all this leave this 'W&CM' Vostok watch from the late 1980s or maybe the earliest 90s, released before the fall of the empire? It is number 0311 on my website.

    I have seen other examples of this dial in the same classic Vostok case, including a photo in one of Levenburg's catalogs.

    I don't think it was made for the Italian market.

    -- Mark
    I have two of these watches, one purchased from Russia, the other from Germany:




    The case dimensions/contours are slightly different from the typical Komandirskie, and the bezels are an obvious departure.

    -k


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