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    Poljot Paradox

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    I've never been a huge fan of date windows, probably because they tend to disturb the aesthetic of a nicely-proportioned, symmetrical dial. There are a few exceptions, however. One of them is this nice Poljot 2414, found with a number of dial variations:

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    My favorite iteration is the one with the cute little Sputnik Poljot logo. As I understand, this insignia was an early adoption of the Poljot brand name, probably used sometime in the early 1960s. Some dials even have the "KL 1" insignia, the likes of which I've only otherwise seen on Strelas -- though I'm sure this designation appears on a number of other dials from the early '60s.

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    (The date magnifier bubble is on the inside of the plastic, meaning the surface of the crystal is completely smooth)

    All four watches pictured above are very similar in design, yet no two are the same. Variations include case material (gold-plated vs. chrome-plated), hour markers (batons vs. numerals), logo (English vs. Cyrillic), and class designation ("first class" vs. no marking). But overall, the watches are highly similar. This is the same when viewed on the reverse. The screw-down back and conical crown match those of Kirovskies.

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    When you expose the movements, however, things get very interesting. No two movements are alike, and some are unlike any movements I've ever seen before. Notice the two watches on the left have standard 1MWF movements: one from post-1963 with the pentagon logo, and one from pre-1963 with the diamond logo. But notice the two movements on the right. What's going on here? Surely no mistake, as there are two movements exhibiting some of the same strange features. But even these two are not the same. Both are labeled "Bienna 17", while one says "Jewels" and the other is inscribed "Uewels". I've seen some pretty strange things during my short tenure as a Soviet watch collector, but this is truly bizarre. I've found more evidence of this movement (see here and here and here), so it's certainly no coincidence. But I'm quite perplexed as to the origins of this unusual inscription.

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    The two "Bienna" movements are further differentiated by the inscriptions beneath the balance. The first movement, as usual, shows a serial number as well as "2414", indicating the movement caliber.

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    The second movement, however, has no such markings. Instead, it has only a small triangle with "B 114" written inside.

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    Any ideas??
    Last edited by mroatman; November 30th, 2015 at 04:32.
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    Re: Poljot Paradox

    I guess that the marking on the parts was the job for apprentices. They just made typos. Most of people in Russia did not know how to use Latin characters correctly.
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    Re: Poljot Paradox

    These little Poljots are great. Especially the old script ones with the rocket or Sputnik incorporated into the logo.

    I attribute the spelling mistakes to vodka.
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    Re: Poljot Paradox

    Yes, maybe a typesetting error. But I don't have the only "17 Uewels" watch, so it must have been an entire production run with the misspelling. I wonder how many are out there.

    The vodka idea also sounds like a reasonable explanation for this. But how do you get "Bienna" from "Poljot"? That's one very drunk apprentice.

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    Re: Poljot Paradox

    I was going to say, I can understand the Uewels mistake, however the word Bienna seems to have no rationale to it at all - very strange? But hugely interesting Dashiell, thank you for sharing!
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    Re: Poljot Paradox

    'Bienna was a trademark of G. Guerne a Swiss company in Bienne. Omega (Brandt) had their factory there and Felco Garden shears are made there, you can see that factory from the train as you go through there. The trade name was established in 1911... This information is from Swiss Timepiece Makers 1775 -1975 by K. Pritchard'

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    Looks like Bienna is/was a Swiss watch brand... you can find Bienna watches for sale on the net...

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    Re: Poljot Paradox

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff Adams View Post
    'Bienna was a trademark of G. Guerne a Swiss company in Bienne. Omega (Brandt) had their factory there and Felco Garden shears are made there, you can see that factory from the train as you go through there. The trade name was established in 1911... This information is from Swiss Timepiece Makers 1775 -1975 by K. Pritchard'

    Info on "BIENNA" pocket watch [Archive] - National Association of Watch and Clock Collectors Message Board

    Looks like Bienna is/was a Swiss watch brand... you can find Bienna watches for sale on the net...
    Yes, in an earlier thread, emoscambio identified several trademarks for Bienna watches:

    - Bienna G. Guerne / Guerne-Hirschy Biel, Switzerland; Registered 1911
    - Bienna Montres Helvetia SA / General Watch Co. Reconvilier, Switzerland; Registered 31 January 1930
    - Bienna Unimex Company Small watches; New York, USA; Registered 3 August 1945
    - Bienna W. Lüginbühl & Cie. / Bienne Watch Biel, Switzerland; Registered 13 October 1955

    But this still doesn't make sense. Those movements are absolutely, unquestionably, 100% Soviet. I'm still a newcomer here, but every bone in my body tells me that's a Poljot 2414. The Bienna marking is completely bizarre.

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    The movement could have been sourced for a low-end brand offered by one of the listed watch companies, and then found there way into a few Poljot pieces. The brand may not be "Bienna", making it difficult to trace, but we can always try a "Bienna watch" eBay search now and again.

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    Re: Poljot Paradox

    Simple: Bienna ordered some movements from 1MChZ, and they payed extra for a Bienna label on the movements; it was the cold war after all and all things Soviet were badmouthed in the west; it would not do for the reputation of Bienna to have easily recognizable Soviet movements inside; and the implication would be that Bienna made then in-house unless somebody bothered to check further. But then 1MChZ made a few more, just in case some would be defective. But the superb quality of 1MChZ of those days meant they were all (or almost all) fine, and 1MChZ had some Bienna labeled movements left over. They put the spares in their own watches rather than throw them away, which would be a horrible waste.

    Perhaps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OKEAH View Post
    Simple: Bienna ordered some movements from 1MChZ, and they payed extra for a Bienna label on the movements; it was the cold war after all and all things Soviet were badmouthed in the west; it would not do for the reputation of Bienna to have easily recognizable Soviet movements inside; and the implication would be that Bienna made then in-house unless somebody bothered to check further. But then 1MChZ made a few more, just in case some would be defective. But the superb quality of 1MChZ of those days meant they were all (or almost all) fine, and 1MChZ had some Bienna labeled movements left over. They put the spares in their own watches rather than throw them away, which would be a horrible waste.

    Perhaps.
    I like it! This might also help explain the relative abundance of "17 Uewels" movements; perhaps these were rejected by Bienna as faulty, but reclaimed by 1MWF.

    I didn't know Soviets made movements for other brands (aside from the few more well-known brands, such as Błonie). Was this a common practice?

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