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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Just wondering about the movement on this Pobeda...


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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    It's correct - a Zim 2602, the marking is visible under the balance wheel.

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Thanks!!

    It sure turned into a nice vintage brass look!!

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by chien-andalou View Post
    Hi all, I am waiting for a clean version of this Poljot to show up,
    and in the meanwhile I was wondering if both cases would be original for the dial?
    Quote Originally Posted by schnurrp View Post
    I'm sorry but I was not able to find a dial that looks like that in my catalogs. Maybe somebody else will be able to. As to the cases, have a look in the Poljot section of this 1977 catalog: https://get.google.com/albumarchive/...80P9ktztAzQVta. I believe they are in there, some with similar dials, but not the same to my eye.
    If I had to guess I would say at least one version is authentic and it wouldn't surprise me if both were.
    I agree -- both combinations at least *feasible*, but not sure if they're both authentic. Here are two similar ones you may find helpful as reference, with no guarantees of authenticity:


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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Bostok View Post
    Any considerations on the authenticity, production period and model of this watch please? Any info on the caseback inscription? Thank you
    Quote Originally Posted by schnurrp View Post
    My guess is that it is a "youth" watch with 16mm lugs and 31.5mm diameter.
    Ladies watch, caliber 1809, model 823320, late-60s or early-70s. Strange that the dial is in English and the case back in Cyrillic; usually that's a sign of a franken, but in this case I'd give it a pass.

    As schnurrp points out, the back says Противоударные ("Shockproof").


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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    hello good evening to all, how are you?

    Can someone help me know if all parts of both watches are original?

    Really glad for your help



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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Victorv View Post
    hello good evening to all, how are you?

    Can someone help me know if all parts of both watches are original?

    Really glad for your help




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    To begin with, I think they both have reproduction dials.
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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    I'm very much in two minds about Victorv's Amphibian as to whether it's a reproduction dial or a rather bleached photo.

    I believe the triangle at 12 o'clock would have started out red - but Vostok's red often fades becoming almost invisible. Do I see a slight tint of pink on the triangle? If so this might suggest the dial is indeed old.

    On the other hand, the dots marking the hours on the edge of the dial should, I think, have been spots of lume, and should be quite raised, but I don't see this texture. With age the lume also often takes on a slightly yellowish/ivory colour, and again I don't see this.
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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    I'd tend to think the Amphibia is correct.

    AFAIK the faked dials of that style are those with the Cyrillic "Boctok" marking, don't recall to have ever seen any of the export version.

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Neruda View Post
    I'm very much in two minds about Victorv's Amphibian as to whether it's a reproduction dial or a rather bleached photo.

    I believe the triangle at 12 o'clock would have started out red - but Vostok's red often fades becoming almost invisible. Do I see a slight tint of pink on the triangle? If so this might suggest the dial is indeed old.

    On the other hand, the dots marking the hours on the edge of the dial should, I think, have been spots of lume, and should be quite raised, but I don't see this texture. With age the lume also often takes on a slightly yellowish/ivory colour, and again I don't see this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Straight_time View Post
    I'd tend to think the Amphibia is correct.

    AFAIK the faked dials of that style are those with the Cyrillic "Boctok" marking, don't recall to have ever seen any of the export version.
    I change my mind on the type 119 and agree with my esteemed comrades, the type 119 amphibian is probably correct.

    Under magnification it appears that the triangle is, indeed, faded red. A version of this dial is shown in a 1980 catalog with a red triangle: https://get.google.com/albumarchive/...0qik6ebw9LFB9U

    Also to my eye the lume dots lose their regularity a bit and even acquire some shading consistent with hand-painted dots.

    I would take a chance if the price was right but otherwise I would want to see more, less over-exposed (better) pictures.

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