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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Kamburov View Post
    The seller insists the case is steel.
    This is not uncommon. Think how unlikely it would be they could mill the same case from brass and stainless.

    A better picture of the back with the back cover on would help identify. Notice the difference in color below of the warm stainless parts (back and bracelet) and the cold color of the chrome.

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    Also looks like the "creator" used a 1/16 dremel drill bit at 2-3-4 and 7-8-9. Also the crystal is not the nice smoothly curving one going by the amount of distortion at the edges.

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Providing false description to make it more interesting (very rare, all steel case, etc.) is just wrong. I was interested in some other items from this seller, but now I'm done with it. The auction ends in more than 2 hours, and the price is now $30 and rising.
    Thre are pictures of the case:
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    It's probably just a well preserved chromed case, as you say. Now I'm curious how high it will sell for.
    Ivan

    PS: By the wear under the lugs it looks kind of steely, though, or is it just me?

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by schnurrp View Post
    ...Also looks like the "creator" used a 1/16 dremel drill bit at 2-3-4 and 7-8-9...
    What the heck??? Even the bizzaro world of Russian frankens that seems really strange. Why would anyone do that?

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Kamburov View Post
    Need your advice on this steel case Raketa calendar. Anyone seen that model before?
    Any info will be much appreciated!
    Ivan
    Quite a strange one. Does it say "19 Rubin" (in.....German?) above the day/date window?

    The likelihood of the case being steel is approximately 0. Rechromed, maybe, which would explain the wear marks.

    The dial is a total mystery. The mix of Russian and another language is only possible on a 1990s-era piece, as are those hideous rhinestones (or did the seller mention they were real diamonds?). But the State Quality Mark clearly implies an earlier production date.

    Oh, and the crystal is not streamlined, as it should be with this model.

    All in all, I'd say it's an overpriced, customized, and/or counterfeited piece of junk.

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by mroatman View Post
    Quite a strange one. Does it say "19 Rubin" (in.....German?) above the day/date window?

    The likelihood of the case being steel is approximately 0. Rechromed, maybe, which would explain the wear marks.

    The dial is a total mystery. The mix of Russian and another language is only possible on a 1990s-era piece, as are those hideous rhinestones (or did the seller mention they were real diamonds?). But the State Quality Mark clearly implies an earlier production date.

    Oh, and the crystal is not streamlined, as it should be with this model.

    All in all, I'd say it's an overpriced, customized, and/or counterfeited piece of junk.
    I think as schnurrp surmised the "creator" just went at it with a drill bit. The resolution isn't that great but the nine o'clock shiny spot looks more like a gouge than a rhinestone.

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by mroatman View Post
    All in all, I'd say it's an overpriced, customized, and/or counterfeited piece of junk.
    Yes, and it sold for some good money. I ignored it after schnurrp's advice. When I see something I've never seen before, it's either a franken or a very rare genuine watch. Usually of the first type, sadly. I've seen few soviet watches, but as in life, the more I see the more I realise I know nothing. That's why I share it with you, so thank you too, Dashiell!.
    The good thing is I saved myself some money to spend on genuine watches, and that's one seller out of my shopping list.
    And it's high time I get myself one of those 24 hr raketas.
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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    What do you fellow Russian watch experts think of this one? Looks good in many respects except maybe the crown. Also the bezel is yellowish instead of orange but seems to have the right shape in my unexperimented eyes.

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    As for the back, I have no idea how is should look like. Is this correct?

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    date on the balance bridge '87, 5-digit serial number starts in 1989 ?
    'ALL GREY' have 4-digit serial
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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by thewatchadude View Post
    What do you fellow Russian watch experts think of this one? Looks good in many respects except maybe the crown. Also the bezel is yellowish instead of orange but seems to have the right shape in my unexperimented eyes.

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    As for the back, I have no idea how is should look like. Is this correct?

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    Here's what mine looks like; I think the crown is okay. Mine came with a worn orange bezel and I replaced it with a nicer one off a quartz version which fit fine.

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by wekke View Post
    date on the balance bridge '87, 5-digit serial number starts in 1989 ?
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    Yes, my all grey:

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